Advice on Veganics for One Plant Grow

NewHeights

NewHeights

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Plan on growing one plant with veganics. The goal is to yield as close to a lb as possible off of it. (I will be Training and vegging for a little extra too).I would like to keep it as simple as possible tho so prob no hydro setup for me. Lazy sh!t

I would appreciate some advice on grow medium, nute choices, strain choices, etc. I have experience with organics but no veganics. Thanks ✊
 
Fuck nutrient lines, your vegan friends don't wanna smoke that shit! You need to get yourself some neem cake! Neem seed meal works too if that's all you can get but it is not as pure. If you're trying to do vegan gardening without neem cake then you might as well murder baby cows yourself! Lol, maybe not...but it will be your main source of macro and micro nutrients. Worm castings, kelp, Alfalfa meal and compost will do the rest.

Since youre just growing one plant, a pre-made potting soil might be better than mixing your own. So in that case...For medium I would go for a peat or coco based potting soil. Make sure it doesn't have any animal ingredients, no manure, litter, or feather meal. Or make your own using equal parts of peat moss, compost, and perlite like I do.

When it comes to medium, fertilizers, and the like. You can take a few approaches and have success. So let's talk about what really matters!

What size pot are you growing in?
What kind of light are you using?

Let me know that brother and then we can get into some of the finer points!
 
Rasta Roy said:
Fuck nutrient lines, your vegan friends don't wanna smoke that shit! You need to get yourself some neem cake! Neem seed meal works too if that's all you can get but it is not as pure. If you're trying to do vegan gardening without neem cake then you might as well murder baby cows yourself! Lol, maybe not...but it will be your main source of macro and micro nutrients. Worm castings, kelp, Alfalfa meal and compost will do the rest.

Since youre just growing one plant, a pre-made potting soil might be better than mixing your own. So in that case...For medium I would go for a peat or coco based potting soil. Make sure it doesn't have any animal ingredients, no manure, litter, or feather meal. Or make your own using equal parts of peat moss, compost, and perlite like I do.

When it comes to medium, fertilizers, and the like. You can take a few approaches and have success. So let's talk about what really matters!

What size pot are you growing in?
What kind of light are you using?

Let me know that brother and then we can get into some of the finer points!
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Yeah i was leaning toward coco but wasnt sure what medium would be best. As far as size i think im going to go with either 4x4 or 5x5 and as tall as i can find em.
I havent made up my mind on a light but im leaning towards a 3-600w LED. Still deciding on that too...decisions decisions
 
NewHeights said:
Yeah i was leaning toward coco but wasnt sure what medium would be best. As far as size i think im going to go with either 4x4 or 5x5 and as tall as i can find em.
I havent made up my mind on a light but im leaning towards a 3-600w LED. Still deciding on that too...decisions decisions
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Are you growing in a basement? Why are you choosing led lights over hid? Do you have a local landscape supplier or compost and recycling center in your area? And not to get too personal, but are you financially secure and doing this as a hobby or as a means of extra income?
 
Rasta Roy said:
Are you growing in a basement? Why are you choosing led lights over hid? Do you have a local landscape supplier or compost and recycling center in your area? And not to get too personal, but are you financially secure and doing this as a hobby or as a means of extra income?
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No i will be growing the one plant in my apt and i will most likey set up a grow tent in a room. Im used to working with hps, but i want the better energy efficiency and lower light bill. And this grow is all for me to enjoy so i want the absolute best quality but i still want the yield to be up. And im sure i do, here in NorCal theres tons of farms
 
NewHeights said:
Plan on growing one plant with veganics. The goal is to yield as close to a lb as possible off of it. (I will be Training and vegging for a little extra too).I would like to keep it as simple as possible tho so prob no hydro setup for me. Lazy sh!t

I would appreciate some advice on grow medium, nute choices, strain choices, etc. I have experience with organics but no veganics. Thanks ✊
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Fermented kitchen garbage. You need bokashi and to make 5gal of inch layers of whatever you eat through a few weeks. Every time you fill the pail an inch sprink 1/2c bokashi over the layer and repeat until it is full. Let it ferment in the pail for two more weeks. Dig a 7-10gal hole and pour in the fermented kitchen garbage. Mix in some of the surrounding soil. Bury. Cover with a board and a weight of sorts.

Wait another two weeks.

Plant a liter size or bigger plant into it and only use water, probiotics, and a small amount of molasses water the plant for the rest of its life. When the plant has died, plant something else in the hole, there should still be lots nutrients waiting to be used.

To use it indoors, make a compost tumbler. Do that same stuff up until i said to bury it. Still ferment it for two weeks but toss.it.in the compost tumbler with equal to double parts biochar, or peat, or leaf mould, or carbons of what have you.

Turn once a week and use after three weeks. Mix with equal parts biodchar, vernicastings, and sandy loam. Plant adults in this mix. Again, only feed water, probiotics, and molasses.
 
I grow organically. My very first plant (GDP, veg'd 6 weeks from seed) yielded 3.8 ounces, using only Nature's Care veg, fruit, and flower food, bone meal, blackstrap molasses, bat guano, and dolomite lime. I'm kind of biased, but I speculate vegan organics might be less effective than regular organics. I think meat, bone, and blood tend to decompose into better, more complex nutrients. But that's personal opinion. It's as nature intended. And you wouldn't be eating the meat, the plant would.
 
NewHeights said:
No i will be growing the one plant in my apt and i will most likey set up a grow tent in a room. Im used to working with hps, but i want the better energy efficiency and lower light bill. And this grow is all for me to enjoy so i want the absolute best quality but i still want the yield to be up. And im sure i do, here in NorCal theres tons of farms
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Word! I was gonna say depending on your reasoning for using the led...if you want to guarantee a pound...I would steer you towards an hid light. But...sounds like the led light will meet your needs well enough. I would definitely leans towards the 600watt led.

And I would definitely plant in a 40-50 gallon tub or bigger if you're just doing one plant. Do lots of topping and LST. Give yourself a nice big bush. Or a scrog set up maybe? Im not a fan of my scrog experiences so I wouldn't steer that way but I work with more plants and the labor is more intensive then my prefered tomato cages. But if you're only doing one plant I don't see why you couldn't handle the workload.

Make sure you've got an intake fan to bring in fresh air, and an outtake to take stale air out.

Make sure youre vegging for a couple of months I would guess to get it the size you would need to produce a pound.

All that stuff is more important than your fertilizer choices.

That being said, get

Neem cake
Earthworm castings (make sure they're not fed manure)
Compost (make sure it's not made with manure)
Kelp meal
Alfalfa Meal

Castings, compost, get mixed with your potting soil, or coco and perlite.

Top dress with neem, kelp, more castings.

Retopdress castings and kelp every three weeks.

When you're in veg every other water use the alfalfa meal every other watering. 1tbsp of Alfalfa Meal per gallon, let steep for one day before applying.

When in flower do the same thing with kelp. I don't let the kelp sit for a day though. I just stir vigorously each time before I apply.

@iHearAll had some good suggestions too but some might be hard to execute in your apartment. My way is definitely suited more for those having to (or wanting to) buy simple to use bagged ingredients because they don't have the space or time to do more things themselves. Although I would definitely suggest doing as many things yourself that you can. :)
 
Olive Drab Green said:
You're looking to yield a pound from one plant? I dunno, man. Maybe a QP.
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Yeah that's why I was thinking... I mean it's possible... But the amount of veg time you have to put yourself through... I think it's easier to have 4-6 smaller plants per light, than one huge plant. But I understand that's not feasible for everyone!
 
Olive Drab Green said:
I grow organically. My very first plant (GDP, veg'd 6 weeks from seed) yielded 3.8 ounces, using only Nature's Care veg, fruit, and flower food, bone meal, blackstrap molasses, bat guano, and dolomite lime. I'm kind of biased, but I speculate vegan organics might be less effective than regular organics. I think meat, bone, and blood tend to decompose into better, more complex nutrients. But that's personal opinion. It's as nature intended. And you wouldn't be eating the meat, the plant would.
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Now my patient isnt representative of all vegans I know. But im a caregiver for one and for them it's not just about oh I don't eat that. They're against supporting the meat and animal industry in any way. So bone and blood meal for them is a big no no because access to it wouldn't exist without the meat industry. Same goes for composted cow manure because of the dairy industry. My particular vegan patient is okay with some animal manures. Like seabird guano is okay, because it can be collected without disturbing habitats...but Bat Guano isn't because it does. And cow manure isn't ok...but rabbit manure from pet rabbits (but not meat rabbits) is okay.

Vegans tend to be idealistic that way lol.

The plants I grow for her yield just as well as the others, the only difference is I use fish bone meal and the occasional Bat guano tea.

Depending on which of my strains I run I pull 1.58 - 2.16 pounds per 1000w hid light. I run open hoods and co2. I also run connoisseur strains over cash crop strains so maybe someone else could put up some better numbers? I run six plants a light in seven gallon smart pots. I can do the same kind of numbers with five plants in 10-15 gallon smart pots, or four plants in 30 gallon tubs.

But again...Fertilizer choice isn't what pulls those numbers. A well dialed in room is...I have co2, ac so the temp doesn't get too hot when the lights are on...and a heater so the temp doesn't drop too much when the lights go off. I have a good outtake fan. And 1000 watts of hid.
 
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Rasta Roy said:
Now my patient isnt representative of all vegans I know. But im a caregiver for one and for them it's not just about oh I don't eat that. They're against supporting the meat and animal industry in any way. So bone and blood meal for them is a big no no because access to it wouldn't exist without the meat industry. Same goes for composted cow manure because of the dairy industry. My particular vegan patient is okay with some animal manures. Like seabird guano is okay, because it can be collected without disturbing habitats...but Bat Guano isn't because it does. And cow manure isn't ok...but rabbit manure from pet rabbits (but not meat rabbits) is okay.

Vegans tend to be idealistic that way lol.

The plants I grow for her yield just as well as the others, the only difference is I use fish bone meal and the occasional Bat guano tea.
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Oh, my mistake. Was unaware you were a care giver. Wasn't trying to patronize.
 
Rasta Roy said:
Word! I was gonna say depending on your reasoning for using the led...if you want to guarantee a pound...I would steer you towards an hid light. But...sounds like the led light will meet your needs well enough. I would definitely leans towards the 600watt led.

And I would definitely plant in a 40-50 gallon tub or bigger if you're just doing one plant. Do lots of topping and LST. Give yourself a nice big bush. Or a scrog set up maybe? Im not a fan of my scrog experiences so I wouldn't steer that way but I work with more plants and the labor is more intensive then my prefered tomato cages. But if you're only doing one plant I don't see why you couldn't handle the workload.

Make sure you've got an intake fan to bring in fresh air, and an outtake to take stale air out.

Make sure youre vegging for a couple of months I would guess to get it the size you would need to produce a pound.

All that stuff is more important than your fertilizer choices.

That being said, get

Neem cake
Earthworm castings (make sure they're not fed manure)
Compost (make sure it's not made with manure)
Kelp meal
Alfalfa Meal

Castings, compost, get mixed with your potting soil, or coco and perlite.

Top dress with neem, kelp, more castings.

Retopdress castings and kelp every three weeks.

When you're in veg every other water use the alfalfa meal every other watering. 1tbsp of Alfalfa Meal per gallon, let steep for one day before applying.

When in flower do the same thing with kelp. I don't let the kelp sit for a day though. I just stir vigorously each time before I apply.

@iHearAll had some good suggestions too but some might be hard to execute in your apartment. My way is definitely suited more for those having to (or wanting to) buy simple to use bagged ingredients because they don't have the space or time to do more things themselves. Although I would definitely suggest doing as many things yourself that you can. :)
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Thats EXACTLY what my plan is. Veg twice as long and train that thing like never before *fingers crossed*. I might go big on the pot like you said and skip the scrog. I never done it, dont feel like doing it...i stay medicated

But yeah those all sound solid...ive heard neem is magic for buds. And as far as reasoning, I eat meat so i dont give a sh!t personally. Ive always grown organic and its been top quality, but lately ive been wanting to grow for the best taste & smell. From what ive been told properly grown veganics have the cleanest so i wanna try it out
 
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