a newbie hello, and some questions about a first time grow setup.

simieon

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well, ello there. i wanted to say hello and ask for some advice before i buy my first setup.

well, a little about myself first, i dont actually smoke much, but i decided it could be fun to try and grow some plants. while i know that for someone who smokes 2 times a month, i could probably just buy the easiest, and most forgiving autoflower seeds i could find, put them in some dirt in two buckets, and let them grow in whatever light would reach them inside my apartment, i have a tendency to nerd everything im doing up.
so i looked around for a kit with everything i need, but still within my budget. i wanna start relatively simple, and then go a little more advanced for every grow i do, so i decided on a kit with: a 120x120x200cm tent (1.44 square meters/15.5 square feet), a 600 watt ballast and HPS bulb + screen, a 187 m3/h vent, a 225 m3/h carbon filter, some 4 inch aluflex hose, a timer, and some other various little bits.

i decided on growing 6 plants, of 3 different strains, in 3 different ways (this part could very well get changed up if im doing something very stupid, but i did some reading up, and i think this could work, so please read it through before you dismiss it completely.) because i want some variety. for the strains im going with 2 dark devil autoflowering from sweet seeds for something colourful and visually appealing to show off, 2 easy bud autoflowering from royal queen seeds for something small, fast, and impossible to fail, and 2 O.G. Kush from royal queen seeds for something taller and a bit more slow growing.
for pots ill be using 27 liter (7 gallons ish) smartpots for the two larger O.G. Kush plants, and plastic 3 gallon pots for the others. for soil ill be using a mix of ordinary flower soil from the local store, a little sand, kompost from my mothers farm (contains bird manure from chicken, geese, and ducks, and plant parts ranging from cut down bushes and grass, to cut off tops from vegetables. if there's something wrong with this, please let me know), and leca balls. and for fertilizer ill be using the bio-bizz grow and bloom, since its supposed to be organic.
i plan on starting all the plants inside the tent, and then moving the forgiving easy buds outside to finish in ordinary light once the plants start to need more room to grow. from there i wanna tie the two taller O.G. Kush plants to a net, and spread them out over either side of the tent, so they cover the walls in a way that will let them get a lot of light, without spreading too much into the center of the tent, and block the light from reaching the floor of the tent. and then i wanna fim the dark devils, and if possible train them to get as bushy as possible, and cover as much of the tents floor as they can, possibly try some training.

im not entirely sure about how long i need to veg the kush plants in order to get them tall enough to make this work, or if i should top/fim them to get a lot of side shoots i can use to cover the walls with. but i was thinking in the region of 4-6 weeks. i plan on vegging them under 18/6 light before i switch to 12/12 (power is a concern, running the light at 20/4 would end up costing 150$ a month, just for the light). as far as i understand, the dark devils will flower no matter what the light conditions, and wont get hurt by having the last 2-4 weeks of their lifespan under 12/12 light, except for maybe giving a slightly lower yield, since they are autoflowering. (part of the idea with the easy buds outside the tent is to make up for the lower yield by simply growing more plants, and the other part is to have some plants i cant kill even if i tried)

and now for the questions.
i know i should probably buy a digital thermometer for the tent, a smoke alarm to place inside or right above the tent, and a microscope to determine when each of the plants needs to get harvested, but is there anything else i need that im missing?
is it ok to grow the plants under a flowering light from start to finish? i plan on getting some lower power cfl lights for my next grow, for the veg stage, but there isnt enough room in the budget to get it right away. so do i absolutely need to buy an additional veg bulb?
is it reasonable to expect a combined dry yield of buds of around 3-400 grams from this setup and method?
is 4-6 weeks of veg for the kush a good idea? too much? not enough? how do i tell when its the right time to start flowering it?
am i picking the right strains for the plans i have, or do you have better suggestions? i really want something colourful for at least one of the strains.
is my grow plans so ridiculous that i should scratch the idea? is it somewhat ok, but should be adjusted? or is it a great idea for getting a mix between variety and yield?

im pretty stubborn, so you probably need to make a pretty logical and compelling argument to change my mind, otherwise ill probably prefer to make my own mistakes and learn from them. but im willing to listen to any and all suggestions, and i still have about 2 weeks to change up my plans before i go shopping.
thanks in advance, and ill try and see if i can get my act together and do a grow log or something once i get there.
 
Okay, I'm gonna try and help out the best I can.

1. You seem to have it mostly covered. I'd also recommend getting a good pair of scissors and also a ph meter, just In case.

2. Yes, you can veg plant under a hps light. It's not ideal but it will work in a pinch. You may get a bit of stretching as a result though. That can be managed with some LST.

3. 3-400? That an awfully large gap. I also think that (400) would be a really hard goal to achieve with autos. For your O.G 4-6 weeks of veg would be good. But honestly, that stuff really depends on how fast your plant grows and, how big you want it to be before flower. So really, you may end up vegging for 8-9 if it takes that long for the plant to get to the desired size.

4. If by your plans, you mean your yield goal, then that's hard to say. It all depends on how the plant grows. Although autos arent really known for having the yields that photoperiods do.

If yield is your goal I'd say ditch the autos for photoperiods. If taste/smell/overall quality, ditch the autos for photoperiods. If your really just wanting to grow some bud easy an don't care about quantity or quality, go for the autos.

I've grown out a couple of autos and just wasn't impressed much by them at all. I didn't yield as much as I have off of photoperiods and the smoke quality just wasn't there. I'm not hating on autos, I just think for the time put into, I want the bud to blow my mind; the autos just didn't do it for me. But it's really up to you and, what you want. Hope that helps some.
 
thanks for the response, ive got some replies and follow up questions. i put them in bold in the quote, made it easier for me to make the post.
Okay, I'm gonna try and help out the best I can.

1. You seem to have it mostly covered. I'd also recommend getting a good pair of scissors and also a ph meter, just In case.
i got scissors already, and i decided to wait with ph adjusting till the second grow, want some experience before i complicate the process too much.
2. Yes, you can veg plant under a hps light. It's not ideal but it will work in a pinch. You may get a bit of stretching as a result though. That can be managed with some LST.
cool, this was actually better than i hoped for. extra stretching is ideal, since i want stretch the low growing plants, and possibly do something scrog'ish thing with them to cover up the entire floor, and i need the 2 large plants to stretch too to get enough height to cover the walls.
3. 3-400? That an awfully large gap. I also think that (400) would be a really hard goal to achieve with autos. For your O.G 4-6 weeks of veg would be good. But honestly, that stuff really depends on how fast your plant grows and, how big you want it to be before flower. So really, you may end up vegging for 8-9 if it takes that long for the plant to get to the desired size.
all the plants are listed as 400/500-500/600 grams pr square meter under optimal conditions, and im growing on 1.44 square meters, so i figured that 3-400 would actually be a relatively conservative yield estimate, taking into account that its not optimal conditions, and that i have absolutely no experience. as for the vegging, im completely open to taking the time it takes to get proper results.
4. If by your plans, you mean your yield goal, then that's hard to say. It all depends on how the plant grows. Although autos arent really known for having the yields that photoperiods do.
by plans i actually mean the setup. will it work to grow 2 tall plants at the walls, and 2 shorter ones at the floor?
If yield is your goal I'd say ditch the autos for photoperiods. If taste/smell/overall quality, ditch the autos for photoperiods. If your really just wanting to grow some bud easy an don't care about quantity or quality, go for the autos.
yield is partially my goal, i want enough to cover my smoking over the summer, without having to worry about buying anything, and enough to share a bit with my mates, but anything more than that is just a bonus. im absolutely dead set on two things, i want at least 2 auto's (edit: 2 plants out of 6, not 2 strains) that are easy, and finishes fast (thats where the easy bud's come in), and i want something visually interesting (purple, blue, brown, white from trichromes, or whatever, i want at least one good looking strain). im totally open to suggestions to change the strains up if you have any suggestions? im also totally open to growing more plants if that makes more sense, any input here would be highly appriciated.
I've grown out a couple of autos and just wasn't impressed much by them at all. I didn't yield as much as I have off of photoperiods and the smoke quality just wasn't there. I'm not hating on autos, I just think for the time put into, I want the bud to blow my mind; the autos just didn't do it for me. But it's really up to you and, what you want. Hope that helps some.
thanks, everything helps
 
Yeah, I would definitely recommend some scrog/LST. I'd also suggest just trying to keep your canopy as even as possible without stressing the plants. Seems like that kinda what you meant about the 2 plants by the walls and the shorter ones on the ground? Another thing, if 2 plants are a little shorter, you could just stack a few bricks or something under them. I usually do that with seedlings to keep them equal distance from the light.

If your dead set on autos, world of seeds has an auto called sugar mango Ryder, really good smoke compared to other autos I've had. It also grew really fast. It only took about 80 days in total. Other than autos, I've been reading great stuff about TGAs Querkle. Been interested in trying it out myself. And for something interesting looking, secret valleys Pineberry looks amazing. I haven't tried either, they're just strains I've been looking into for myself.
 
damn that pineberry looks good, too bad its either sold out or sold at such high prices i was planning on spending about 50-60£ on seeds, spending 55£ on one strain seems a little high for my budget, but ill definetely shop around a bit and see if i can get it a little cheaper.
the sugar mango ryder looks just about perfect for an auto, and the price makes sense. the querkle looks really good too. got any suggestions on a taller strain?
what i ment by two at the wall.. uhm. how do i explain it best. im planning on using 3 nets. 1 horisontal for scrog, and 2 vertical nets, where im going to LST the two bigger plants. sort of spreading them out, so the light will reach all parts of the plants, and to make sure they dont block the light for the scrog plants. taking the large pots, and distance to the light into account, ill have about 1.5 meters in height i wanna utilize best possibly, which is what i need a taller strain for. is this a dumb way of doing it? or just unconventional?
 
Listings for grams per Sq M are based on a SOG (Sea Of Green) grow and they are flowered at 8-12 inch's depending on strain.
For auto's it's still a sea of green basis. The Sugar Mango Ryder suggested above grows to SOG height! Don't know about yours.
 
Listings for grams per Sq M are based on a SOG (Sea Of Green) grow and they are flowered at 8-12 inch's depending on strain.
For auto's it's still a sea of green basis. The Sugar Mango Ryder suggested above grows to SOG height! Don't know about yours.
im totally open to doing a SOG if thats a better idea, i could probably fit 25 3 gallon square pots into the tent if needed, but i was told that you get the same yield from 1 large plant with more space and a bigger pot, as you do from many smaller. is this wrong?
 
Generally, I think a larger pot will make a bigger plant, and vice versa. I think most will agree that you can get just about as much from one bigger plant, than from two smaller plants. Because of that reason I'd say stick with your original ideas (couple autos and a couple photos) and see how it goes. Maybe do a SOG, if you've got the patience for it. It seems like you've got a good idea what to do though. Make sure to start a journal thread and keep me updated! Any other questions I can help with, feel free to ask.
 
yeah, you're right, ill stick to my original idea, but ill switch up the strains. (got a killer deal on some black cream, kopenhagen kush, and some fruity tiny fast dane's fury) the kush is tall, the black cream can go purple (ill probably try dropping night temps to bring it out), and the dane's fury is so small and easy and fast growing that ill probably be able to grow 2 sets of them while i grow the kush, and at the same time not be able to screw them up.
and yeah, that journal thing sounds like a great idea, that way i can get a lot of expert input while i grow, and ask for help every time im in doubt.
thanks a lot guys.
 
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