14 plants and the same flowering death look every time no matter what - Help please?

xperties

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Desperate for help but please read the entire post. I’m done with bro science as I have scoured the net for possible solutions. I’m on my 14 plant run and tried many different things but the same thing always happens,. These are all auto flowers from fast buds and North Atlantic Seed

I have a 5x5 ac infinity with all the fancy controller setup. I have a spider farmer SE7000 light. Iv’e tried RO water, non RO water and now filtered water. Iv’e added Drops Of Balance to my water, I have PH’d the water to 5.8-6.5 (Usually 6.0 is my target). I've done a run off test and I usually run a bubbler in 5 gallon jugs for 24 hours to get the chlorine cleared and then leave it uncapped for another 24 hours. I've used the ac infinity auto water setup and without. I usually water when the pot gets light which is 2-4 days until the flowering starts and that usually is 1-2 days.

Soil Iv’e tried strawberry fields, ocean forest with synthetic nutrients then the last 5 plants I moved to gaia green starting with the following recipe: 3 1/2 gallons promix, 1/2 gallon perlite, 1 gallon of worm casting (Uncle Jim's Worm Farm), 5.25 tablespoons Gaia 444, 5.25 tablespoons Gaia bloom, 1/2 cup Bat Guano, 1/16 cup Alfalfa, 1/8 cup Kelp, 1/16 cup Fish bone, 1/2 cup diatomaceous earth, 1/4 cup Glacial Rock Dust and I cook that for about 3-4 weeks before planting in it. I usually top feed with 4 tbsp of 444, 3 tbsp 284 1 cup worm casting with 1/2 cup promix and recharge and then decrease 444 and increase the bloom on the next 3 top feeds. I top feed every 3 weeks.

I don’t have any bugs in the tent and the temps and humidity are right with the chart that everyone post. I have an air conditioner and humidifier in the lung room where my tent is. When I water I use organic TPS cal-mag at a 5ml per gallons and use recharge over week. I have also used fishshit on the watering that I am not using recharge. When I went organic with the spoil I stopped PHing the water. The last 4 plants I started adding in Plantation Organic Blackstrap Molasses once a week.

Now that I have laid out everything I have tried or done here is the issue. The seedling is always perfect, the veg is always perfect but the week flowering starts the leaves start to get yellowish with spots on them. Eventually the entire plant looks like shit but it keeps going. Believe it or not but I don’t smoke, I do this for my wife, son, sister and other family members and I enjoy growing. I have a tcheck machine and the thc is always great. The taste blows them away and the high is outstanding. The first plant picture is about to hit flowering and looks great, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th picture is a plant already a week into flowering and you can see it starting and the last picture is a plant that is about 2 weeks from ready to be chomped down. I just cut a purple lemonade and the leaves were the same way but the buds were huge and heavy. Strawberry Gorilla which is 2 weeks into curing tested at 26.9 thc and gave me dry 6 ½ oz but also had the death look.

My next run I am going to try photo’s for the first time in 15 gallon pots Green Gelato from royal seed and I want to lock this issue down.

What do you think?
 

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xperties

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Boy you got a ton of stuff going on, You ever think about moving to soilless an a 1 part fertilizer like jacks or 1 part mega crop so simple with consistent results.
That's on my future goals but I'd like to overcome this issue first before I dive into another project.
 

Fallguy111

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You have a lot going into your soil. First off do you have a water softener in your house? Just promix, tap water and 444 top dress( following the instructions for cannabis) will have you burning fine home grown in no time. 1/2 dose of fishpoop every couple of weeks if it looks hungry. Get through a couple grows before you decide to invent your own soil mix/feed schedule.
 

xperties

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You have a lot going into your soil. First off do you have a water softener in your house? Just promix, tap water and 444 top dress( following the instructions for cannabis) will have you burning fine home grown in no time. 1/2 dose of fishpoop every couple of weeks if it looks hungry. Get through a couple grows before you decide to invent your own soil mix/feed schedule.
No water softener. On normal city water.
 

cannabiscrusader

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Your Gia green already contains high levels of mag, cal, iron and silica. Watering with the cal mag is slowly building it up to toxic levels that start to show after you flip. Your plant burns through a lot of the n during the stretch which throws off the ratios of your mix. Trust your mix and stop adding to it. Fish shit is also really potent, I find it fucks with ph levels even if you have lime in the mix. Only use it if your leaves start to fade early. By adding nutes to watering in organic soil, especially after it's been cooked for 3 to 4 weeks, you are screwing with the homeostasis you achieved during the cook. Add a pinch of langbeinite to your base next time and ditch the cal mag.
 

cannapotimus

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Those plants are super deficient, with the exception of “1”. The brown spots are calcium deficiency.
 

cannabiscrusader

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Those plants are super deficient, with the exception of “1”. The brown spots are calcium deficiency.
The calcium deficiency is caused by the excess mag. They lock each other out causing symptoms looking like deficiency. Leading the novice grower to chase the deficiency resulting in more lock out. End result, torched spotted speckled dotted crispy swingy hangy pendulous foliage. OK, smokable nugs. But nowhere near what God intended
 

xperties

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Anything I can do to help the fried one? She's got another 2-3 weeks.

And how about the one that's starting to get the same symptoms? Anything for her?
 

OldMedUser

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Those burnt plants are toxic salts buildup for sure. With tap water you shouldn't be using any calmag and to get burn like that in flowering indicates overfeeding the whole veg stage so the salts build up in the leaves and start frying in flower. I used to see it in my plants until I backed off on the nutes from the start.

:peace:
 

weedstoner420

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Another vote for too much stuff going into the soil. Mainly that 1/2 cup of guano sticks out to me. I've never used it myself but seems like a lot of folks who do end up frying their plants.

I'd stick with just your base, worm castings, and Gaia Green, and follow the directions on the package, or follow what folks do in this thread: https://www.rollitup.org/t/official-gaia-green-grow-method.1026893/
 

secretmicrogrow420

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Boy you got a ton of stuff going on, You ever think about moving to soilless an a 1 part fertilizer like jacks or 1 part mega crop so simple with consistent results.
this was going to be my suggestion.
maybe try promix hp with maxibloom / maxigrow.
in my area you can get a 16lb container of maxibloom / maxigrow for 80 bucks and with that you can make hundreds of gallons of fertilizer.
maybe also grab some cal mag?
and off to the races!
 

xperties

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What do you guys think of those results?

also, i just top feed with worm casting 2 days ago for the 3 plants starting into flower. Would this flush pretty much ran it all out and should i do it again or wait a week or 2 and throw about cup of worm carrying on them?
 

Triplefastaction

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Flushing with all those additives in the pot in a soil type mix …. Makes little sense. You are just washing all of your amendments out the bottom of the pot and you won’t really accomplish a “flush” until you run so much water through your pot that you have stripped all the nutrients out of it. If that’s your goal, go for it. Otherwise, I’m not so sure. Good luck.
 

cannabiscrusader

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Flushing with all those additives in the pot in a soil type mix …. Makes little sense. You are just washing all of your amendments out the bottom of the pot and you won’t really accomplish a “flush” until you run so much water through your pot that you have stripped all the nutrients out of it. If that’s your goal, go for it. Otherwise, I’m not so sure. Good luck.
Boy, if you didn't just describe what a flush does. Dry amendments can't be flushed out. The readily available, already broken down amendments will flush out, yes. But all that excess cal mag causing the lock out will be flushed out as well. Microbial life will recover and amendments will become readily available again in less than 24 hrs.

This is one of the most common problems not only on this site, but general cannabis growing across all forums. Stop using cal/mag like a necessary magic syrum for perfect plant posture and radiant green foliage. It has its place in organics as a quick bandaid, not a daily vitamin
 
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