American Dream!?

[Red1966]

[/B] are the same people who have state liaison in their HR Department specifically to "fast track" applications to the state for SNAP and Welfare because they do not pay a LIVING WAGE...we taxpayers foot the bill and again those ceo's make out 380x their average worker salary with 12% tax bracket..i would be remiss if i said there weren't "behind the scenes"..but i would need to see this book to comment further..i'm gonna say john mccain and hmmm can't think of a 2nd..i am the one who wishes we could have a different way of lobby..

Nope, guess again. Bonus hint: Many, including me and you, would consider them both something of a loon.

 

[abandonconflict]

I inherited a table. According to Abondonconflict it's stolen goods.

Give me back my table. You didn't build that.

 

[Red1966]

Or you could level the playing field, by getting rid of the coercive mechanisms that prevent people from competing on an equal basis. Doing that does not assure equal outcome, but it does facilitate equal opportunity and ultimately benefits the industrious and the consumer.

"I suppose you could start some sort of business, work hard and grow the business to where you can help others support their families, and then have those same employees complain about you having more than them.' People don't want a level playing field. They resent unequal outcome. The people I see complaining the most are the lazy fucks who think they're entitle to equal outcome.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

there are only 1400 billionaires worldwide..i believe i saw this morning the top 1% in the US comes out to roughly 400..that hold 40%..then there are the mega rich, bill gates, warren buffet, koch bros, oracle guy ellison and the waltons.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2013/03/06/full-list-u-s-billionaires-of-2013/
Mar 6, 2013 - The U.S. is home to 442 billionaires, 17 more than a year ago and 320 more than China, the country with the second most 10-figure fortunes.

Why do liberals not make their point very clearly? You want some of our rich to become Chinese?

 

[abandonconflict]

Why do liberals not make their point very clearly? You want some of our rich to become Chinese?

Because the ancient Romans were libertarians dawg.

 

[Red1966]

there are only 1400 billionaires worldwide..i believe i saw this morning the top 1% in the US comes out to roughly 400..that hold 40%..then there are the mega rich, bill gates, warren buffet, koch bros, oracle guy ellison and the waltons. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erincarlyle/2013/03/06/full-list-u-s-billionaires-of-2013/ Mar 6, 2013 - The U.S. is home to 442 billionaires, 17 more than a year ago and 320 more than China, the country with the second most 10-figure fortunes.

1% of 330,000,000 is 3,300,000. Now you are talking about billionaires. Different definitions. The 1% starts around $370,000 a year.

 

[Dr Kynes]

1% of 330,000,000 is 3,300,000. Now you are talking about billionaires. Different definitions. The 1% starts around $370,000 a year.

thats "income" not wealth, and only "income" as defined by the IRS which is sweeping in it's scope for the little guy, but narrrowly tailored to dodge the types of "Net Positive In-Bound Currency Transactions Which Increase One's Net Worth" found among the actual wealthy.

mowed your elderly neighbor's lawn and she gave you $20 despite your attempts to decline it? That's Income! Taxable Income!
got $20 million in company stock and a gulfstream 5 for a successful IPO? Not Income! Not Taxable, carry on Old Bean!

Kid's Paper Route? poor lil johnny, lemme help you fill out your 1040 EZ.. sorry bro.
Paris Hilton's trust fund? "i dont pay taxes because im pretty right?" wrong dumbass. you dont pay taxes cuz the guys who make tax law dont wanna tax themselves, and they get their "Totally Not Income" money the same way you do , you dumb slut.

the tax laws are fucked up, and the truely rich dont pay taxes on most of their "Non-Income" income, but if they DID pay the tax assigned currently, they would be getting gouged the way the Occupy-Tards talk about in their most fevered proletarian fantasies.

the lefties always conflate Capital and Profit with WAGES because they dont know how money works or what a wage really represents.

 

[abandonconflict]

Only labor creates wealth.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Only labor creates wealth.

ohh, you Marxists say the darndest things.

we get it, you HATE capitalism, and we should all be happy little bunnies gamboling about in green pastures sharing all the world equally among ourselves.

nothing is stopping you from joining a hippie commune.

nothing is stopping you from STARTING a hippie commune.

hell, why not go to cuba and enjoy their Socialist Workers Paradise?

because you want what capitalism provides, you just hate that you need capitalism to have it.

you want to kill the Golden Goose because you really love those golden eggs. very logical.

 

[abandonconflict]

Wherefore art thou irate?

 

[Rob Roy]

"I suppose you could start some sort of business, work hard and grow the business to where you can help others support their families, and then have those same employees complain about you having more than them.' People don't want a level playing field. They resent unequal outcome. The people I see complaining the most are the lazy fucks who think they're entitle to equal outcome.

The playing field to me represents the opportunity to seek your own path absent unwanted intervention. Some would argue that the same entity that skews the playing field, coercion driven government, should also be the party to "fix" this. This is of course ludicrous, like asking fire to turn down the heat, it will never work and completely defies logic.

I agree that the "results" won't be equal, because the effort, the skill, the luck and the gifts that one person has aren't necessarily equal to what another has. However what "success" is can vary from person to person, so to peg "success" to a single standard fails to consider the variability of the individuals we all are.

 

[NoDrama]

thats "income" not wealth, and only "income" as defined by the IRS which is sweeping in it's scope for the little guy, but narrrowly tailored to dodge the types of "Net Positive In-Bound Currency Transactions Which Increase One's Net Worth" found among the actual wealthy.

mowed your elderly neighbor's lawn and she gave you $20 despite your attempts to decline it? That's Income! Taxable Income!
got $20 million in company stock and a gulfstream 5 for a successful IPO? Not Income! Not Taxable, carry on Old Bean!

Kid's Paper Route? poor lil johnny, lemme help you fill out your 1040 EZ.. sorry bro.
Paris Hilton's trust fund? "i dont pay taxes because im pretty right?" wrong dumbass. you dont pay taxes cuz the guys who make tax law dont wanna tax themselves, and they get their "Totally Not Income" money the same way you do , you dumb slut.

the tax laws are fucked up, and the truely rich dont pay taxes on most of their "Non-Income" income, but if they DID pay the tax assigned currently, they would be getting gouged the way the Occupy-Tards talk about in their most fevered proletarian fantasies.

the lefties always conflate Capital and Profit with WAGES because they dont know how money works or what a wage really represents.

You're on a fucking roll today.

 

[Rob Roy]

They opened the factories, stores, and other businesses the rest of us work in. They are giving back. You've got to look at the whole picture, not just a narrow slice. With out a few rich people, most of us would starve.

Sort of. However many large corporations enjoy advantages that smaller more local companies do not and the advantages were created thru force. For instance a large company, say Walmart, uses the "economy of scale" to derive a profit. Yet, the roads they use are not funded by them, they are funded thru redistribution of the peasants earnings via taxation.

I have nothing against rich people, but we should recognize many became rich thru protectionism or a perverse application of involuntary collectivism. To say in a blanket statement that rich people are "giving back" might be innacurate in total, some do, many don't.

 

[NoDrama]

I agree that the "results" won't be equal, because the effort, the skill, the luck and the gifts that one person has aren't necessarily equal to what another has. However what "success" is can vary from person to person, so to peg "success" to a single standard fails to consider the variability of the individuals we all are.

it's all about the pursuit of happiness. Some people believe that it exists in material wealth, those people almost never seem to find happiness.

 

[Rob Roy]

[/B]

are the same people who have state liaison in their HR Department specifically to "fast track" applications to the state for SNAP and Welfare because they do not pay a LIVING WAGE...we taxpayers foot the bill and again those ceo's make out 380x their average worker salary with 12% tax bracket..i would be remiss if i said there weren't "behind the scenes"..but i would need to see this book to comment further..i'm gonna say john mccain and hmmm can't think of a 2nd..i am the one who wishes we could have a different way of lobby..

Asking for a different way of lobbying fails to strike the root of the problem. Lobbying itself is a way of giving favors for favors. "Hey please pass a law, so I can steal shit easier" is not exactly the best way to achieve a peaceful and productive society is it?

 

[Rob Roy]

Shouldn't it be mandatory to know the rules? I was never taught these rules in school. It might be rigged but it is broken.

The only thing that should be mandatory is do not initiate aggression against others or their justly acquired property. Okay, maybe it should be mandatory to light up at 4:20, but that's about it.

 

[Rob Roy]

Nobody is saying stop trying to earn and just get handouts from the rich.

Perhaps you are not.

However there exists an undeniable acceptance that to take from one party and "give" to another is a role of government. This acceptance is of course, something many will deny or once pinned down will rationalize, but it only goes to perpetuate the never ending back and forth. Some never escape this paradigm and are doomed to their two dimensional life. This is because many people don't question the system itself, they think by replacing a "leader" or two the leaky boat will become a Yacht.

I say get out of the water and walk on solid ground. Proliferate ideas of peace and freedom and in the meantime, ignore bad laws, live an honest life and never shit on the floors at Wendy's.

 

[Dr Kynes]

The only thing that should be mandatory is do not initiate aggression against others or their justly acquired property. Okay, maybe it should be mandatory to light up at 4:20, but that's about it.

THAT'S COERCION!!

youre not the boss of me!

if i dont wanna get high i... wait...

never mind.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Perhaps you are not.

However there exists an undeniable acceptance that to take from one party and "give" to another is a role of government. This acceptance is of course, something many will deny or once pinned down will rationalize, but it only goes to perpetuate the never ending back and forth. Some never escape this paradigm and are doomed to their two dimensional life. This is because many people don't question the system itself, they think by replacing a "leader" or two the leaky boat will become a Yacht.

I say get out of the water and walk on solid ground. Proliferate ideas of peace and freedom and in the meantime, ignore bad laws, live an honest life and never shit on the floors at Wendy's.

at some point "taking" is needful.

if you only pay for roads YOU use, then the roads in urban centers will be flawless, but the roads in rural communities (where your food comes from) will be in disrepair.

rich communities will have lots and lots of well mannered cops with their minds on justice and justice on their minds, while poor communities will be lawless free fire zones.

rich kid's schools will be awesome, poor kid's schools will be dumps, worse than they are now (even without the graft and corruption that siphons off the federal cash for poor schools)

rich people will have well funded fire brigades, while poor folk's homes will burn.

society REQUIRES a little bit of sacrifice from those with much, to benefit those with far less, but it must be carefully controlled to ensure that those with much dont simply become an ATM machine for the populist demagogues and re-distributionists.

 

[Rob Roy]

actually yes, but would never happen..so therefore, adjustments must be made elsewhere..the current system is rigged.

And with a flourish you dismiss logic. Hey I know I lost the keys in the dark cave, but can't we look for them in the living room because there's more light there?

To say a thing "can never happen" because it hasn't happened yet is a circular argument. Lots of things that were never going to change, did change.
Burn any witches lately? Fall off the edge of the earth? Has Zeus thrown any thunder bolts at you? Those things were all part of "common knowledge" and to deviate from them was "never going to happen" or just a fantasy. Take off your Leopard skin, put down your spear and think about the possibilities of the future. Continuing to feed the present paradigm will never find you your keys.