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Final phase flush

BCOGYODA

Well-Known Member
Give two doses of Final Phase before you chop. I've been using it soil for around 11 years. Have used pretty much all the clearing solutions out there and I find it gives the smoothest cleanest smoke, and whitest ash.

And no I don't care what nute companies people use. I just say what my experiences are with any product I use. And I use products from dif nute companies.
 

JohnDee

Well-Known Member
DNA Genetics,
Final Phase works as a chelating agent binding the free nutrients preventing it from being absorbed by the plant.

In hydro, you use it for awhile and the follow with water to flush it. I would think use in dirt might be the same...
JD
 

Nullis

Moderator
Uhh, I don't know about this "clearing solution" stuff, or whatever. I grow in living soil and I just use water/fulvic and humic acids (low-dose) in the final weeks of bloom; dry slowly and cure. Finished produce is smoother than anything I could buy from anybody else I know.
 

JohnDee

Well-Known Member
DNA,
The reason you're having difficulty finding soil instructions is that the company doesn't recommend it for soil. This is from their FAQ.

"Final Phase will work in any growing medium, but we do not recommend it in soil based systems as they cannot be effectively flushed. Hydroponic systems can be almost 100% emptied of the Final Phase treated nutrient solution, and refilled with fresh water.

It's a hydro only product..
JD
 
thats why i ask cause i called their rep and he said it's fine in soil and you don't need to flush just water with final phase it will lock out the nutes. He specifically said not to flush it out of soil after anytime so who do i believe
 

JohnDee

Well-Known Member
DNA genetics,
I've only used it in hydro and followed the flush afterwards protocol. If nobody here has dirt experience...then believe the company rep and just use it with no flush. The molecules of Final Phase are too large to be taken up by the roots so I don't see any danger in just using it in water for the last 5 days or so...
JD
 

BCOGYODA

Well-Known Member
Don't flush, you are getting less yield and not making a "smoother richer taste" it's all in the cure...
You're absolutely incorrect and shouldn't be giving advice you are not knowledgeable about.
100% control side by side tested with non flushed plants. You can properly cure chemical filled buds all you want and the will still taste and smoke like shit. Fill your boots bud. Keep doing what you're doing. Smoke then chems all you want. Smart knowledgeable people will do otherwise.

DNA,
The reason you're having difficulty finding soil instructions is that the company doesn't recommend it for soil. This is from their FAQ.

"Final Phase will work in any growing medium, but we do not recommend it in soil based systems as they cannot be effectively flushed. Hydroponic systems can be almost 100% emptied of the Final Phase treated nutrient solution, and refilled with fresh water.

It's a hydro only product..
JD
No. It is not a "hydro only product"

thats why i ask cause i called their rep and he said it's fine in soil and you don't need to flush just water with final phase it will lock out the nutes. He specifically said not to flush it out of soil after anytime so who do i believe
This rep you talked to is correct.

20 years experience in soil. 11 years experience with Final Phase. Commercial med grower. Have done controlled test grows for nute companies.
Believe who you want.
The proof is in the final product you will smoke.
 

SomeGuy

Well-Known Member
I dont have definitive proof but I will say since I started flushing my hempys with Final Phase the last week of flower the taste and quality of my cured herb is is tons better.

I know alot of people who have bias against AN but they do put out some good products. Id say my grow looks healthy and about half of my nutrients are AN.

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itinkitook2much

Well-Known Member
You're absolutely incorrect and shouldn't be giving advice you are not knowledgeable about.
100% control side by side tested with non flushed plants. You can properly cure chemical filled buds all you want and the will still taste and smoke like shit. Fill your boots bud. Keep doing what you're doing. Smoke then chems all you want. Smart knowledgeable people will do otherwise.
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/409622-truth-about-flushing.html

I've read this and it pretty much convinced me, I've never tried side by side so I will be doing the test myself quite soon and I will post up results on RIU

You've got an ugly way of handling things here dude, calm your tits no reason to get all cocky..
 

SomeGuy

Well-Known Member
That essentially states to drown your plants or leave them in water. Essentially the flush is doing the same thing. I do think that two weeks is a long time to flush but I use a flushing agent. Regardless of what you think about flushing it really does make a difference. Ive gone both routes and can tell you the only reason I use final phase is because it increased the flavor and burn quality of my crop. Kinda the same reason I use floralicious plus or any other brand specific product I am stuck on.

He is pretty adamant but I would say going around saying that flush doesn't make a difference can be fighting words around this forum.

I'm not the type to buy stuff that doesn't show results. Ive grown my own flushed and non flushed bud... I prefer to use the last week to flush. with un-flushed bud the curing process does eliminate the taste differential after several months for me. This is just my experience. Only anecdotal like with all the information here.
 

BCOGYODA

Well-Known Member
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/409622-truth-about-flushing.html

I've read this and it pretty much convinced me, I've never tried side by side so I will be doing the test myself quite soon and I will post up results on RIU

You've got an ugly way of handling things here dude, calm your tits no reason to get all cocky..
I could give a crap what you think of how I state facts about the BS you are trying to tell people. You're a typical internet pretender. You admit-ably haven't done any scientific controlled tests yet you think cause you read something someone says that that's reason enough for you to give advice to people on a forum who are trying to grow good medicine for either themselves or other people. Well it isn't reason enough. NO ONE should give advice if they do not KNOW what they are saying is fact. Sure, give an opinion but don't make an asinine statement like you did here:
Don't flush, you are getting less yield and not making a "smoother richer taste" it's all in the cure...
Like I said; keep doing what you're doing bud. Help yourself to not be a better grower. Do some tests and spend some time with plants to learn what's REAL knowledge. Unlike you I want to help growers. Not pretend I am better or know better than anyone. "cocky" No, I am just so sick of reading things on these forums for years and years written by UN-educated, inexperienced growers who want to tell growers the wrong way to do things because "they read it somewhere".

You want some solid advice if you want to grow healthy, clean, potent mj? Read through peoples posts, check out their pictures, their rep, the way they communicate with others. See if they are helpful or "know it alls" without proof. Then if you find someone you want to learn from; befriend them and ask for help. Modest, helpful growers will always want to help respectful deserving people. I have a passion for mj. It pisses me off when I see worthless info thrown around that will inevitable make people grow an inferior product. Especially if the medicine may actually go to an ill person.
 
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