Random Jibber Jabber Thread

neosapien

Well-Known Member
Got a new pipe today. Unfortunately it's because a friend broke a borrowed one of mine. Oh well, it's just glass right?

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UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
california fucking rocks.

despite how cramped and busy it is in the bay area, nothing beats this weather or a shitload of conveyor belt sushi.

life is good.
 

potpimp

Sector 5 Moderator
Yeah, but it all goes to hell when you get to Sacramento. Obviously the give-a-ment doesn't even have a cumulative ripple of a brain wave.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Yeah, but it all goes to hell when you get to Sacramento. Obviously the give-a-ment doesn't even have a cumulative ripple of a brain wave.
i'd love to have a summer house out in the sticks between the bay and sac where i could grow, and spend winters in the bay.

i've only spent a total of less than a week here, but it's a nice little region of the nation.
 

sunni

Administrator
Staff member
Neighbourd were arrestrd again today for shoplifting. Twice in less than a month. Get a fucking job people. They also are 3 months, late on Rent and bought a puppy.....
 

Nutes and Nugs

Well-Known Member
The people across the street have 2 nice cars , kids go to private school, they always have food and the rent but no one works!
I think this is how they do it.

The new breadwinner in the family...
>>>>>An
>>>>>Emergency room physician told me that a woman in
>>>>>Her late 20's came to the ER today with her
>>>>>8th pregnancy.
>>>>>She told
>>>>>The first doctor she saw: "My Mama told me that
>>>>>I am the
>>>>>Breadwinner for the family." He asked
>>>>>Her to explain. She said that she can make
>>>>>Babies ~ and babies get money from the State for
>>>>>The family. It goes like this:
>>>>>The Grandma calls the Department of Child &
>>>>>Family Services, and states that the unemployed
>>>>>Daughter is not capable of caring for all of her
>>>>>Kids.
>>>>>DCFS agrees, and tells her the
>>>>>Children will need
>>>>>To go into foster care.
>>>>>The Grandma then
>>>>>Volunteers to be the foster
>>>>>Parent,and receives a check for
>>>>>$1500 per child each month in
>>>>>Illinois .
>>>>>Total yearly income:
>>>>>$144,000
>>>>>Tax-free and nobody
>>>>>Has to go to work!
>>>>>In
>>>>>Fact, they get more if there is
>>>>>No
>>>>>Husband/father/man in the home!
>>>>>Not
>>>>>To mention free healthcare (Medicaid), plus a
>>>>>Monthly card entitling them to free groceries
>>>>>And a voucher for 250 free Obamaphone minutes
>>>>>Each month. This does not include WIC and other
>>>>>Welfare benefits...that they are "entitled" to.
>>>>>Indeed, Grandma
>>>>>Was correct that her fertile daughter is the
>>>>>"breadwinner"for the family.
>>>>>This is how the liberal
>>>>>Politicians spend our tax dollars. When this
>>>>>Generous program was invented in the '60s, the
>>>>>Great Society architects forgot to craft
>>>>>An end date...
>>>>>And now we are hopelessly
>>>>>Overrun with people who vote only for those who
>>>>>Will continue to keep them on the dole....
>>>>>No wonder our country is broke!
>>>>>Worse, the Muslims have been paying attention, and by mandating that each Muslim family have eleven children, they will soon replace the voting bloc above and can be running this country within 25 years. Read the above again, until it sinks in, and then ask yourself if your Children, Grandchildren, and Great Grandchildren will survive these severe changes to America !!!
>>>>>Are Youalarmed yet? Is anybody listening?
>>>>>Is this a GREAT COUNTRYor
>>>>>What...?
>>>>>Don't forget to pay your
>>>>>Taxes!
>>>>>There
>>>>>Are a lot of "breadwinners"
>>>>>Depending on
>>>>>You!
 

neosapien

Well-Known Member
Q: Does Illinois pay a grandmother $1,500 per month per child to be the foster parent to her eight grandchildren?
A: No. State officials have no record of such a case, and state law would not allow it. This second-hand story spread by a Danville urologist isn’t true.
FULL QUESTION
Below is an e-mail that has circulated in the past few weeks. I would like to determine what, if any, of these assertions are true.
Bread Winner… Making Babies!

I was speaking to an emergency room physician this morning. He told me that a woman in her 20s came to the ER with her 8th pregnancy. She stated, "my momma told me that I am the breadwinner for the family."

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FULL ANSWER
The e-mail was written by Dr. Sebastian J. Ciancio, a urologist who practices in Danville, Ill. He told us he wrote it sometime in July to conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh based on a second-hand report from an emergency-room physician he declined to name. "I really only know what the patient told the ER physician as reported to me through that physician," Ciancio said in an e-mail to us. We asked to speak with the doctor, and Ciancio told us he passed along our request. But we have not heard from this physician.
In his e-mail to Limbaugh, Ciancio relays the story of a grandmother in Illinois who he claims is the foster parent to her eight grandchildren and receives $1,500 per child per month for a total of $144,000 a year. The story is simply false. Illinois Department of Children and Family Services spokesman Jimmie Whitelow told us that no such case exists in the state’s system.
Whitelow, Dec. 7: Under the parameters under which he made the assertion, the Department has no such case. We don’t have a family like that. We don’t have anything that looks remotely like what he described.

Foster Care Payments
First, the e-mail makes the false claim that a foster parent “receives $1,500 per child per month in Illinois.” That’s not true. No individual in Illinois can receive that much money per child. In the case of a grandmother serving as a foster parent to her grandchildren, Whitelow said that situation would be classified as "relative home care." The grandmother could be unlicensed or licensed, but both payment rates are significantly below $1,500.
The typical monthly payment rates for licensed relative home care range from $384 to $471, depending on the age of the child. The monthly payment rates for unlicensed relative home care range from $286 to $310, depending on the county. This money includes board, clothing and allowance. Foster parents may also receive “one-time only payments to assist the foster parent with fees that may be imposed,” Whitelow explained. Such fees could be for school supplies ($50 per year) or camp fees ($260.35 maximum).
This DCFS chart shows the monthly payment rates for licensed relative home care:

This is the DCFS*chart detailing the monthly payment rates for unlicensed relative home care:

There are exceptions to these payment procedures if a child requires specialized care. In such cases, Whitelow said, additional money is awarded on a case-by-case basis. The process involves a physician’s recommendation as well as a DCFS committee’s approval and a judge’s consent.*
But the extra money doesn’t simply pad the foster parent’s pockets. Whitelow wrote in an e-mail to us that "the medical professionals are paid through separate billing. All monies received for specialized needs are for any additional professional service needs."
The bottom line: The most a foster family could possibly receive directly from the state for eight foster children is $45,216 for the year — not $144,000. And that’s true only if the state allows so many children to be living in one house.*
Foster Child Limit
DCFS has a procedure in place that generally limits the number of foster children to no more than six children in a single house — two fewer than the eight claimed in the e-mail. The policy allows for exceptions. The rules say, for example, that a foster home can house more children if the children are from the same parent — which would have been the case in this situation described by Ciancio.
SECTION 402.15 Number and Ages of Children Served: Based on the ages of children in the home, the ability of applicants to provide care, and the space available, determine that the license capacity for a foster home is six children, unless all of the foster children are of common parentage (see definition) or a waiver of the maximum has been granted.

However, Whitelow said he checked department records and found there is no family in the state’s foster care system such as the one described by Ciancio.
There is also a more restrictive limit on the number of children in a foster home with special-needs children. A home with one child who requires specialized care can only have up to five total foster children. A home with two special-needs children can only have up to four total foster children. There are exceptions to this rule as well, and a family could conceivably have up to four children who require specialized care (for a total of four children), if they receive the "approval of the manager of clinical services and the licensing supervisor."

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Follow-Up E-mail
When we contacted Ciancio, he forwarded us two e-mails he had sent to Limbaugh: the original e-mail that is circulating on the Internet, and then a follow-up e-mail in which he clarifies the record — to a point. This is the full text of the follow-up e-mail:
Ciancio: Last week I sent a letter about an ER patient claiming that her children’s foster parent (who is her mother) gets $1500 per child per month, or $144,000 per year for 8 children (see below).I called Illinois Department of Health and Human Services and Illinois Department of Children and Family Services to get some numbers. I was told that a typical foster parent would be paid approximately $360-445 per month per child depending on age. However, the payment may be as high as $2,000 per month per child under special circumstances. I asked what those circumstances might be. The social worker explained that there could be 2 possible circumstances: special needs or if the social worker lobbied hard for that particular child, he/she could obtain a higher amount of funding than is normally permitted.

The “special circumstances” Ciancio mentions are not possible.*We’ve established that relatives who are foster parents receive between $286 and $471 per month per child, and that any additional money for special-needs children is paid directly to the health care providers. Whitelow told us that a social worker cannot lobby for more money for a particular child, as the e-mail maintains.*
Whitelow explained that extra payments for children with special needs are provided on an individual basis. He could not give us a range of expected extra payments. Regardless, the additional money does not go to the foster parents.
Other Social Programs
The e-mail is largely correct when it refers to other social programs available to poor families in Illinois — including free health care, food stamps and free cell phone service. All of these are actual available benefits, but only the health care services relate to an individual’s status as a foster parent. We don’t know if the family described in this e-mail would qualify for all of the other benefits. In addition, the e-mail’s inclusion of the free cell phone service could mislead readers into thinking that is a taxpayer-funded government program, when it is not.
Illinois offers several health care programs, including one for children in foster care that provides free medical care. Illinois also offers the Illinois Link Card, an electronic card available to those who receive cash benefits or Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits, commonly known as food stamps. The card is used like a debit card. A family of nine would most likely qualify for SNAP if it has a gross monthly income below $4,416. The family would receive $1,352 in benefits per month.
There is also a program in place for individuals to receive a free cell phone and a limited amount of free cell phone minutes. We confirmed the program can, under certain circumstances, provide "a voucher for 250 free cell phone minutes per month," as the e-mail claims. But the program is funded by telecommunication companies, not tax dollars, as we have written before. (SafeLink Wireless is the program offered in Illinois.) Eligibility is based on whether an individual has already qualified for other government benefits, such as Medicaid.
Even Chain E-mails Get Distorted
The very nature of chain e-mails allows for further distortions as messages are forwarded along. We compared a copy of the original e-mail that we received from Ciancio with the one we received from a reader, and found two alterations.
The chain e-mail from our reader featured a photo of a large black family with many young children. Neither e-mail mentions the race of the supposed family. Ciancio told us in an e-mail that “there was never a picture attached” to his missive to Limbaugh.
The chain e-mail also included a title ("Bread Winner… Making Babies!") and a closing sentence ("And these will be eight more votes for a liberal government!") that Ciancio said he did not write.
– by Michael Morse, with Eugene Kiely
Sources

Illinois Department of Children and Family Services. "Procedures 359 : Authorized Child Care Payments." Undated, accessed 8 Dec 2010.
Illinois Department of Children and Family Services. "Procedures 402, Section 402.15: Number and Ages of Children Served." Undated, accessed 8 Dec 2010.
Illinois Department of Children and Family Services. "Rules 402 : Licensing Standards for Foster Family Homes." Undated, accessed 8 Dec 2010.
State of Illinois Family Care. "Health Coverage for Parents." Undated, accessed 8 Dec 2010.
Illinois Department of Human Services. "Illinois Link Card." Undated, accessed 8 Dec 2010.
Illinois Department of Human Services. "Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program." Undated, accessed 8 Dec 2010.
Bank, Justin. "The Obama Phone?"*FactCheck.org. 29 Oct 2009.
SafeLink Wireless. "Lifeline/SafeLink Fact Sheet."*Undated, accessed 8 Dec 2010.
Ciancio, Sebastian J. E-mails sent to FactCheck.org. 3, 7 and 8 Dec 2010.
Ciancio, Sebastian J. Interview with FactCheck.org. 3 Dec 2010.
Whitelow, Jimmie, spokesman, Department of Children and Family Services. Interview with FactCheck.org. 3 and 7 Dec 2010.
Whitelow, Jimmie, spokesman, Department of Children and Family Services. E-mail sent to FactCheck.org. 8 Dec 2010.

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neosapien

Well-Known Member
Shhhiiit, this is 'Murica, we can make any thread the poor people thread. Freedom!!! Got that ladies address? I'll send a donation. Of birth control pills.
 

match box

Well-Known Member
This coming Friday I'm going to stay at some friends house while they are in Jamaica for 2 weeks. They have a big dog that has been trained to guard the house. It's taken a month for the dog to let me come in when they are gone. So I'll have a house to my self for 2 weeks well me and the dog. I'm looking forward to having some time by my self. there going to enjoy there trip more not worrying about the dog staying in a boarding place and someone is in there house so they don't have to worry about someone braking in. It's a win win for us all. I think the dog thinks I'm just a toy they got for him.lol
 
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