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80% Of US Adults Are Near Poverty, Rely On Welfare, Or Are Unemployed

squarepush3r

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-28/80-us-adults-are-near-poverty-rely-welfare-or-are-unemployed

Despite consumer confidence at a six-year high, the latest AP survey of the real America shows a stunning four out of five U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, are near poverty, or rely on welfare for at least parts of their lives amid signs of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream. Hardship is particularly on the rise among whites, based on several measures. Pessimism among whites about their families' economic futures has climbed to the highest point since at least 1987.

"Poverty is no longer an issue of 'them', it's an issue of 'us'," as 'the invisible poor' - lower income whites - are generally dispersed in suburbs (Appalachia, the industrial Midwest, and across America's heartland, from Missouri, Arkansas and Oklahoma up through the Great Plains) where more than 60% of the poor are white.
More than 19 million whites fall below the poverty line of $23,021 for a family of four - accounting for more than 41% of the nation's destitute - nearly double the number of poor blacks and as one survey respondent noted "I think it's going to get worse."

Via AP,


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Hardship is particularly on the rise among whites, based on several measures. Pessimism among that racial group about their families' economic futures has climbed to the highest point since at least 1987. In the most recent AP-GfK poll, 63 percent of whites called the economy "poor."

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"If you do try to go apply for a job, they're not hiring people, and they're not paying that much to even go to work," she said. Children, she said, have "nothing better to do than to get on drugs."

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Economic insecurity among whites also is more pervasive than is shown in government data, engulfing more than 76 percent of white adults by the time they turn 60, according to a new economic gauge being published next year by the Oxford University Press.

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"It's time that America comes to understand that many of the nation's biggest disparities, from education and life expectancy to poverty, are increasingly due to economic class position," said William Julius Wilson, a Harvard professor who specializes in race and poverty.

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"There is the real possibility that white alienation will increase if steps are not taken to highlight and address inequality on a broad front,"

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"Poverty is no longer an issue of 'them', it's an issue of 'us'," says Mark Rank, a professor at Washington University in St. Louis who calculated the numbers.

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Among the findings:

For the first time since 1975, the number of white single-mother households who were living in poverty with children surpassed or equaled black ones in the past decade, spurred by job losses and faster rates of out-of-wedlock births among whites. White single-mother families in poverty stood at nearly 1.5 million in 2011, comparable to the number for blacks. Hispanic single-mother families in poverty trailed at 1.2 million.

The share of children living in high-poverty neighborhoods — those with poverty rates of 30 percent or more — has increased to 1 in 10, putting them at higher risk of teen pregnancy or dropping out of school. Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 17 percent of the child population in such neighborhoods, up from 13 percent in 2000, even though the overall proportion of white children in the U.S. has been declining.

The share of black children in high-poverty neighborhoods dropped sharply, from 43 percent to 37 percent, while the share of Latino children ticked higher, from 38 to 39 percent.

Going back to the 1980s, never have whites been so pessimistic about their futures.
All this despite Jack Lew's insistence on this morning's Meet The Press that this recovery is 'not anemic', six year highs in consumer confidence, and all-time-highs in US equity markets.



Perhaps it is worth reiterating the question that Rick Santelli asked before?
 

UncleBuck

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why don't these people just pull themselves up by the bootstraps?

it's so simple. self reliance. apple pie. america.
 

Canna Sylvan

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why don't these people just pull themselves up by the bootstraps?

it's so simple. self reliance. apple pie. america.
We wouldn't be in this mess if politicians didn't steal money from those 80%. Then on top of their stealing, the government can't manage at all. Living ends up costing more too! But let's just pretend I'm crazy, and have the government take more. Then we can make those 20% even richer!
 

UncleBuck

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clever Mr. Buck!
apparently white america is just lazy and mooching on handouts and government largesse. it can't be the fault of the free market because corporate profits are doing well so it should all trickle down if white people weren't so lazy to go out there and earn it.
 

UncleBuck

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We wouldn't be in this mess if politicians didn't steal money from those 80%. Then on top of their stealing, the government can't manage at all. Living ends up costing more too! But let's just pretend I'm crazy, and have the government take more. Then we can make those 20% even richer!
the deficit is down and the government is living within its means it's the white people who are being lazy and not getting jobs otherwise they'd have a bigger share of those corporate profits which trickle down if the white americans just pulled themselves up by the bootstraps instead of doing drugs all day and collecting welfare checks.
 

UncleBuck

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We should nationalize all the corporations and let the government evenly distribute the money how they see fit. The bigger the government, the better.
no because that's not the free market and the free market works well just look at how well the free market is doing at corporate profits in the graph that OP posted the problem seems to be that white americans are not pulling themselves up by the bootstraps and getting jobs if the white americans got jobs like all the black americans are now doing then they would be in a much better place and not dependent on welfare like they are the corporations have a lot of profits and they are benevolent things because corporations are people and people are benevolent so the corporations want to trickle the profits down but they can't do it because the white americans are just lazy and do drugs.
 

Rob Roy

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apparently white america is just lazy and mooching on handouts and government largesse. it can't be the fault of the free market because corporate profits are doing well so it should all trickle down if white people weren't so lazy to go out there and earn it.

There isn't a free market....stop lying. A regulated market which PROTECTS corporate theft and prevents competition isn't a free market. Your tax dollars fund this protectionism....why do YOU do that?
 

silasraven

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yeah you know how awesome it would be to be able to go to school without stopping for 2 semesters. how awesome it would be to have a job, how amazing it would be to get to have a life that doesn't involve sitting around every day wishing you could afford to leave the house.
 

chewberto

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i reported your remark for harassment because sunni told us today that we are not allowed to bring the boring old baseless personal vendettas into threads i could talk about how you are a psycho racist asshole but i don't because i am trying to be nice and not mention that you have a homicidal death pact with your wife because you are so pro life but because i am trying to be nice like the mods want us to be i will not point out the contradiction between being pro life and vegan and killing your wife if she does the wrong thing so i will not bring that up but i did report your comment for its personal and baseless rancor i grow a lot of cannabis which my patients enjoy in order to get by it's not glorious but i feel that i am just doing what the market demands because the free market can do no wrong so why is it wrong that i produce what the market wants it's not wrong and i don't do drugs all day i smoke a little cannabis at night but not during the day because then i get all lazy and my chores don't get done and the chickens water is dirty so if i don't get high then the chickens get cleaner water and the duck pool is cleaner and i don't take so lling to run errands or do my chores so in the end i just want to say that you are mean and a liar and i reported your comment because of that.
Did we forget to grow sativa? How about Sour diesel, ghost og, Pandora's box to name a few... I can do some chores with that shit.... But if you want to spend your day "not" doing drugs... Go for it... I'm doing drugs all day long...
 

H R Puff N Stuff

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if unemployment is down and 80% are still poor than we should raise the min. wage .buck needs to make a fresh batch of rick rolls havent seen that in awhile.
 

Wavels

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Of course everyone knows that the current malaise is all Boosh's fault, that bastid. He ruined everything.
 

tokeprep

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why don't these people just pull themselves up by the bootstraps?

it's so simple. self reliance. apple pie. america.
They generally did. The key point of the original AP story was "PART of their lives."

Based on how they're counting, I would be included in the 80%, which I find laughable.
 

NoDrama

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apparently white america is just lazy and mooching on handouts and government largesse. it can't be the fault of the free market because corporate profits are doing well so it should all trickle down if white people weren't so lazy to go out there and earn it.
Free market? We don't have one of those. The only reason corporations are doing whatever they want and making a profit is because all the goddamned POS politicians are in their pockets. Regulation after regulation is dropped down from on high making it impossible to implement unless you have the kind of economies of scale as the big boys do.

I mean, would you rather eat Dole mass produced lettuce, or wholly organic lettuce grown by an individual? Without the regulations the prices for the organic would actually be CHEAPER than the mass produced flavorless stuff.
 

NoDrama

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Trickle down works, the problem with it these days is it trickles all the way down to China.
A side effect of globalization. The manufacturing base moves to the lowest bidder.

The wealth of a society had always been its ability to create, but with world financialization and derivatives, now the richest nations are the ones that are the best at trading pieces of paper.
 

GOD HERE

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A side effect of globalization. The manufacturing base moves to the lowest bidder.

The wealth of a society had always been its ability to create, but with world financialization and derivatives, now the richest nations are the ones that are the best at trading pieces of paper.
Sounds a little lefty. You off your game today?
 
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