Hash oil conversion to cannabis e-liquid

[auriuman78]

Is this possible? I've found only one recipe that is somewhat lacking in detail, in my opinion, along with a lot of piecemeal info so I'm seeking some advice from vapers who may or may not have knowledge of this. Please only give information that you've tried and know works. Here's my details:

I obtained a gram of hash oil (coldfinger) and 6mL each of PG and VG. I also got some lecithin. I had planned on using more PG than VG. Original starting plan from what I've read, had to piece things together, goes like this:
- decarb oil
- heat PG/VG mix to drive off water
- add heated PG/VG to the heated decarbed oil, then lecithin
- bring to ~180deg F for roughly 5 hours covered, stirring occasionally
- cool slowly then let it sit on my garage shelf for the next 3-4 weeks


This sound appropriate?

 

[VladFromOG]

That sounds like too much time to wait lol. Heres how I make mine from preextracted oil: Dissolve the oil in an equal volume of limonene (room temp is fine), this will get you a citrus scented thin liquid that can easily be mixed into pure glycerin at room temp (fuck PG, dont use antifreeze), I usually dilute 1g oil into 5ml limonene and that into 50ml glycerin for a moderately dosed citrus eliquid

 

[Grow Goddess]

That sounds like too much time to wait lol. Heres how I make mine from preextracted oil: Dissolve the oil in an equal volume of limonene (room temp is fine), this will get you a citrus scented thin liquid that can easily be mixed into pure glycerin at room temp (fuck PG, dont use antifreeze), I usually dilute 1g oil into 5ml limonene and that into 50ml glycerin for a moderately dosed citrus eliquid

Ignorance.
I try to help people then there are so many others posting BS like this.

PG - anti-freeze? That is not the PG you are supposed to use. Propylene Glycol USP which is medical/food grade. You are probably consuming about 1/4 ounce of PG USP in your food every day. At least in your beverages.

All you need to do is mix your concentrate with PG USP until it is runny, then you can vaporize it safely. If you want to say F something, then F the VG, it does not mix properly with concentrates. PG USP is the whoop.

It seems every forum I go to I have to educate everyone about the PG USP.

PG USP is commonly used in e-cigarette oils for good reason. Before spouting off false information, please do your research.


It dose say Propylene Glycol USP on the label, sorry the USP did not show in the photograph. However, you can see that it is food and medical grade.

 

[VladFromOG]

Lol - propylene glycol is a common antifreeze, and was developed as such. I'm not suggesting you use antifreeze grade pg, and I am aware that USP PG is GRAS thank you. I was merely stating a basic fact. And I wasnt implying that it is as harmful as ethylene glycol.

Just because the US hasnt banned it, doesnt mean its harmless. Azodicarbonamide, nano particle titanium dioxide, high fructose corn syrup, propylene glycol, and so many other things are GRAS in the USA despite being widely shown to be dangerous when ingested continuously, which is why these things are banned in many other nations (but only those with high regard for its citizens, like Mexico and most of SA ;p ) In fact, if you look up the USDA GRAS limits for PG, youll find the total acceptable daily intake is roughly equal the amount in one soda our a couple drops of eliquid. Manufacturers can get away with this in the USA as long as a single serving doesnt exceed the daily limit.

That isnt to imply that PG is harmful in small amounts for short periods, just that glycerin is far more harmless, and since both are an option, why would you choose the one that is a little toxic when used long term over the one that is completely harmless?

Moreover, aerosolized PG has been directly linked to asthma and several other respiratory disorders:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101019084607.htm
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/paints-cleaners-children-asthma-allergy/
http://misuse.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/error/abuse.shtml
Glycerin has not. Again, given the option, why choose the more dangerous one? Respiratory disease is not something you want your "vaped" eliquid to give you.

And yes, I know its in soda and little debbie, and a lot of other "food products" that will make you sick, and in shitty chinese eliquid (also not stuff thats manufactured to the highest health standards), but these are all things I avoid, not just because of the PG, but because for some reason things that have PG in them seem to have a lot of other poisons in them as well. My net intake of these things is zero. Not everyone is as non-chalant about ingesting such things as you, especially out in the crunchy PNW. Granted, PG eliquid is a far sight better than normal cigarettes, so the ecig community has readily adopted it, but when you want to vape hash oil, which is perfectly harmless, why mix it with anything that isnt?

The biggest danger with propylene glycol isnt even the propylene glycol itself, its the fact that its manufactured in china alongside the dangerous antifreeze, ethylene glycol, and there is literally zero oversight or purity testing on either end, and sometimes, they mix up a batch by mistake, and label ethylene glycol as propylene glycol, and then a ton of people die.

...

So yeah, Ignorance. It seems like on every forum theres some ecig afficianado who get snippy when you point out that vegetable glycerin is more harmless than PG, just because theyve built up this aura of health around their ecig habit. Before getting bitchy, do some research. ;p

Next youll be trying to tell me that the red hot nichrome coil of an ecig atomizer doesnt scorch oil and that oils made with solvents that pull chlorophyll are higher in cannabinoids than oils made with solvents that only pull lipids *roflmao* @.@

 

[d3dm4n]

Oh I don't mix it... get abottom Fed cartridge for like 8 bucks...

 

[VladFromOG]

you know, that is an excellent point. you can just avoid the hassle of diluting so it works with a wick, and just get a direct drip atomizer. you can find them for less than eight even, I get mine from liberty for five. they still burn, like all ecig atomizers, but it is at least less hassle

 

[Grow Goddess]

you know, that is an excellent point. you can just avoid the hassle of diluting so it works with a wick, and just get a direct drip atomizer. you can find them for less than eight even, I get mine from liberty for five. they still burn, like all ecig atomizers, but it is at least less hassle

Gee whiz! You sure don't have a lot of your facts straight. I bet you are sucking on a soda pop right now, if not good for you.
Diluting it? I don't think so. It is enhancing it. It makes it work. If you don't use PG USP, concentrates will not properly vaporize in an e-cigg. E-cigg oils contain 30-50% PG USP. It is necessary for proper vaporization. Diluting it would be adding VG if you can get the two to mix properly (Concentrate with VG).

Oh, do tell of your masterful experience. Do you have any photos or journals of your experiences in this department?

You make false assumptions once again. You say that I "spat" at you due to e-cigarettes? WRONG I made the statements because I have patients contacting me weekly asking for help because they cannot get their concentrates to mix with VG nor can they get it to work correctly. Yes, it can be done, but very low quality compared to using PG USP.

As for the atomizers being less hassle. They do not burn like an e-cigg what so ever. They are low quality junk equipment. I know because I have purchased and tested most types.

As for the products being made in China, low grade PG USP. Well, I don't know where you get your information from, but mine is made in USA. One gram of PG USP mixed with my concentrate would equal 5 grams of e-cannabis oil. I can put three grams in one of my units and it will keep me high for a month. All I have to do is push the button and inhale. I can't imagine it being any easier than that.

Yes I have done my research. No I did not bother reading your links. I have read the good, bad, and the ugly about PG USP. There is no confirmed proof that it is harmful. Especially only consuming a gram per month. There is at least on gram in a liter of soda pop.

PG USP causing asthma? It is used in many asthma medications..... not sure where you got your information from on that one. I do know that there are a lot of bogus links out there.

There are many more uses for PG USP in the medical marijuana community. Here is one example. The main purpose of PG USP in medicines is to penetrate tissue so the medicine can enter the bloodstream more efficiently and effectively. It also aids in infusing products together, great for topical solutions.

So what does your VG do? It doesn't infuse efficiently. It doesn't aid in lowering the vaporizing temperature. It doesn't help penetrate tissue. What exactly is the purpose of it?

Here is a picture of mine, how about you show us one of yours.


Here is a close up of one of the PG USP products I use Made in USA might I remind you, also pharmaceutical/food/medical grade Kosher PG USP with a 5% sweetener.




One of the essential vape attachments like you described for vaping dabs. It is a piece of crap and is not convenient what so ever. Not what the cartomizer was meant to be used for. Now that is low quality and more than likely made in China. I attached it to one of my batteries and tried it out to let people know how it worked. Yes, it works, it will provide a buzz, but still, it is a POS.


If I were to vaporize my concentrate straight, I would not use an e-cigarette or a customized POS. I would use an eclipse vaporizer.



Well, enough trying to lead a horse to water......





All I see here is e-cannabis oil. I have no interest in smoking buds anymore. After using RSO mixed with PG USP in an e-cigg with a clearomizer, buds just don't cut it anymore.

 

[VladFromOG]

Sigh, so much anger, just because I pointed out that it makes more sense to go with the harmless option over the mostly harmless option.

And again, no, there is no soda in my hand. I dont drink soda. I believe I made that clear. Quit deciding that I and everyone else has compromised their health for convenience as you have. As a patient who must medicate consistently for the rest of their life, "mostly harmless" is not an option for me, nor is it for many other patients.

"I didnt read the studies linking PG to asthma bc I know its safe and youre wrong" way to stay classy, there, netizen. If repeated peer reviewed studies wont convince you of the link, theres no hope to convince you. Way to O'Rielly the argument and avoid learning something that is important to your health, and the health of all the people you are "helping"

You ask for my proof of experience when it comes to ecigs and personal vapes, well, read the link in my sig. I've been making hash oil since before MMJ was a glimmer in the eye of Michigan stoners. Thats great that you got suckered into overpaying for a bunch of rebranded ecigs though. That really is a pretty custom tank, but Im willing to bet it uses a red hot nichrome coil to burn the liquid (and yes, nichrome coils always burn if they touch your liquid. Cannabinoids vape at no higher than 400 degrees f and combust completely at 500, nichrome emits red light at >900 degrees f, you figure out what happens when your oil touches it)

You may insist that the personal vapes are different from ecigs, despite having the same design and materials, but the fact is that atmos is just a rebranded ego tank and the gpen is a standard ecig and the wax burners/trippy sticks et al are just direct drip ecigs. You may get your eliquid from the usa but no faciilities produce PG domestic, they import and then mix it up into eliquid, or repackage into small (<55gallon) containers for resale.

Yes, oil doesnt mix into room temp VG, you have to either warm it up and let it sit for a long time, or you have to mix with limonene (a natural component of marijuana that is responsible for its citrus taste) in order to make it a thin liquid that will mix readily with glycerin at room temp.

You rant that the PG is enhancing it, but thats clearly nonsense. It is neither psychoactive nor does it help cannabinoids cross the bbb nor does it help it get vaped (except as a dilutant to allow oil a low enough visocosity to work with wicked ecig atomizers). Adding an inactive ingredient to something is not "enhancing it", its diluting it. If you disagree, take it up with merriam websters for their flawed descriptions of "dilute" and "enhance"

The eclipse vape, like the assorted globe pipes and skillet, is an excellent way to vape, esp in skilled hands or with a heat gun as a temp source. Kudos for avoiding the methods that put a red hot heating element directly on your oil (like nails etc). Shame you use RSO - it always pulls dilutants and as such contains things that combust before the cannabinoids can vape, meaning its impossible to fully vape RSO without scorching. RSO may be fine for oral but if your vaping using heat, you should think about a lipid only method of extraction. Whatever your method, perform a clean plate test on your solvents first, to be sure they evap cleanly. I know, I know, rick read about an abandoned oil extraction method from the seventies in high times and became very vocal about it, but the science has really advanced since then, and most of the medical community has stopped those kind of extractions and moved on to better methods for good reason a long long time ago, so just try a lipid only extraction and use that in your eclipse before you rant about how RSO is best and vapes clean, you will be amazed by how much smoother lipid only extractions like steam or BHO are. Again, there is more info in the link in my sig, laid out in chapters quite clearly and simply.

Good luck to you, do try to calm down. No ones saying your methods are bad, just pointing out that they are not perfect, and giving the scientific reasons why. You can ignore it and get huffy, or you can read it carefully, gain a new understanding, and spread your newfound enlightenment to your friends in michigan. *peace*

 

[greenghost420]

i love the idea of dissolving in another cannabinoid! will just a bho combined with limonene mixture be good enough for an ecig or vaporizers?

 

[VladFromOG]

you do unfortunately have to dilute further with limonene, as pure limonene is harsh and too acrid to vape. diluted however and it adds a nice citrus flavor. speaking of cb2 agonist solvents that are part of cannabis, myrcene and caryophyllene both dissolve cannabinoids readily, and unlike limonene are not too acrid on their own. I only suggested limonene first bc it is much more readily available to home consumers. a fun not, all three are lipid selective solvents and can easily be used to make tincture from herb at room temp, you don't necessarily have to extract oil first.

 

[Grow Goddess]

Limonene sounds interesting enough, but I would consider mentioning to the public that it can be dangerous mixed with certain medications. I do not see that it is used in inhalants though, which makes me a bit nervous to add it to something that is intended to be inhaled. Although, I did not do any extensive research yet.
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1105-limonene.aspx?activeIngredientId=1105&activeIngredientName=limonene

Thanks for mentioning limonene, I do work with cancer patients. It does seem to have potential, but I would surely mention to them about the possible side effects mixing it with other medications, even something as simple as ibuprofen can have a bad reaction with your liver. Any medications that process through the liver can be effected by the limonene. I think I would only offer it infused with a topical or edible.

PG USP, I have not heard of anybody dying from e-cigarettes yet. Plenty of testing done as an inhalant.


LOL Angry, nah, not angry, just think I am living in the Twilight Zone is all!

Cheers!

 

[DreamSmoker]

After reading this thread, I was convinced.. This is the Place I should have been a few years ago..
Thanks for the extensive info on the how to making the Oil a way in which it can be made by me to use in my E Cig unit..
A Friend brought a empty syringe made called Liquid Gold just days ago..
This Liquid Gold was tasty and sweet... No irritation to my throat or lungs... It was the Bomb...But had a much thinner consistency..
A thin Oil.. Easy to use and load in a E Cig..
This drove me to find the process... So here I am..
Just Ordered the PG and Limonene to play with.. I have everything else on hand needed..
Thanks to all for your input..

 

[DreamSmoker]

Update:

Worked as described with PG....
Now this is the way to medicate...

 

[waycon]

i have also been reading up on this for a couple weeks now. Wondering if anyone knows roughly what the shelf life would be after being mixed into the pg...? I know they say waxes will start to lose potency and or flavor if you leave it out, but can go quite longer if you keep it sealed and in the dark. You think it would be any more prolonged being in the pg? maybe a year or two?

BTW, I am waiting for some pg to get here. I had vg, but not too many good reviews of the vg, so decided to wait for the pg usp to come in.
However, I had about a gram and a half of pretty good quality qwiso (my first attempt at extracting) but instead of iso, i used 190 everclear.
I couldn't wait for the pg anymore and wanted to try it so i just put a few drops of everclear on it to make it a little runny, then applied a little heat to encourage it to fall down into the cart easily. it filled the cart to 1.8
It came out very very potent. I feel it would be more than sufficient if it was cut with pg and gave more volume at the end.

I appreciate all yalls input on the subject, I have been very consumed by this ever sense a friend sold me one pre filled that came from a dispensary. Trouble is, its only available when he has it. So I decided I'd like to know how to refill it myself.

It would be nice to make a larger batch, but again, wondering about the shelf life after being mixed with the pg and bottled and sealed.
Thanks

 

[arrr]

@DreamSmoker did you use PG with BHO or with RSO?

I do not have access to RSO and i do not feel like making it. But i do have access to BHO and i an extremely interested to make the BHO more of a liquid to use with e-cig tanks. If it does work with BHO what do you recommend for the portions 1 g BHO to 2 g of PG?

 

[postnothrills]

So what I tried when I got my PG/VG/Nicotine and flavorings, is took my decarbed kief and cook it in vg in a crock pot (vg has a higher boiling point and the crock pot is just hot enough to dissolve the keif)

When I mixed my juice, i used that vg for my vg/pg blend of 30/70. It worked like butter. Any flavor, no intruding taste of it.

 

[te5ter]

PG gave me a headache. Glycerin didn't seem to mix well.

iTaste SVD/Trident RDA/Raw winterized, decarbed BHO... FTW.

 

[te5ter]

I rebuilt the stock coils that came on the Trident RDA today with ribbon wire and put them on a bed of cotton. They are much better than the coils it came with but still far from perfect and unbalanced as hell. Then I melted the thick BHO off a dabber with quick burst from a turbo lighter and soaked the cotton and coils. Before, I was getting great hits just as good as my glass bong/Titanium nail setup. With the new coils and cotton the taste is nothing but flowers and the cloud is that much milkier.

While breathing in the vapor you can't tell anything is going in. Then you stop and it starts to expand or something and gets you good. lol. So easy to overdo it with all this testing.

 

[Cannabis Kitty]

Thank you for saying something about (clarifying) the PG! I was momentarily afraid there were new "chemicals" on the market or something lol.....I vape flavored oils...would love to try medicating in this fashion.

 

[aceweil]

That sounds like too much time to wait lol. Heres how I make mine from preextracted oil: Dissolve the oil in an equal volume of limonene (room temp is fine), this will get you a citrus scented thin liquid that can easily be mixed into pure glycerin at room temp (fuck PG, dont use antifreeze), I usually dilute 1g oil into 5ml limonene and that into 50ml glycerin for a moderately dosed citrus eliquid

I'm really excited to give this a go this coming weekend...I wanted to ask if you thought doubling the oil to limonene ratio would have a negative impact on consistency? I was thinking of doing 2g oil 5 ml limonene 50 ml glycerin. Thanks for the great tip, been looking for a good breakdown like this for awhile now.