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Thank you for posting this comment.....people go ape shit trying to ammend thier soil when the TRUTH is you dont have to get carried away with allot of that. The question was using FFOF.....I use FF happy frog to start and veg...I add nothing...absolutly nothing....once the seeds pop and get going...then I start watering with ph adjusted water....If you notice there in not a posted NPK ratio on happy frog......but the fact of the matter is that there is enough nutrient in that soil mix that ...like intense said.....happy, lush, beautiful, green plants.....without any signs of nut def.....only on a couple of occasions I had to up the mg just ever so slightly....the other thing I like about FFHF is NO BUGS!!!!....from seed to first transplant, if you use a standard plastic beer cup to start them, is about 14 days. I then move them into a one gallon pot again using FFHF....and they are good to go for an additional 15 to 20 days....then repeat the process to a slightly larger pot until you have sexed ( if using regular seed )....once I have sexed I transplant into the pot that I will flower in...usually a 5 gallon if indoor...on this final transplant....this is where I use FF Ocean Forest....this is the soil they will stay in until harvest...I continue to veg for ten days before I flip the switch to 12/12 so that the girl can make a full adjustment and recover from any transplant shock.....at this point I gradually start my feeding schedule starting off gradually......YOU DONT NEED A SHIT TON OF NUTS ON YOUR GIRLS!!!!!! they do very well with light to medium feedings....I have had GREAT results using this method.....and finally as you progress in the flowering stage just look at the girls closly....they will tell you what they need...and usually small amounts of nuts will fix it.... A good friend of mine who grew with some of the big names on the other side of the pond taught me.....YOU DONT NEED TO GO APE SHIT WITH FEEDING...its allot harder to correct problems from over feeding and making those types of mistakes....and I can attest to that because just like every grower here and around the world...I have made my fair share of mistakes doing just that....so PeaceI use FFOF and Happy Frog straight out of the bag. Green lush happy plants and no need to use veg nutes.
PS...I didnt mention this in my previous post but this is important....KEEP YOUR GROW SPACE CLEAN...think of it as a lab.....one of the best things you can do for your micro enviorment...166 views....0 replies...Well then.
I got my rock dust. Went ahead and added two and a half cups...
And we'll call it a day
I wont and cant disagree with you....perhaps I did come across like that...my apologies.....I was meerly trying to make the point that there is a tendency for people to think that more is better when in most cases it really is not....that was it....I was not saying that YOU were doing something bad or wrong....Ok so you mentioned feeding and a feeding schedule in your post above yea?? Yea..
Well the reason ppl go "ape shit" and amend their soil is so that they don't have to worry about a "feeding schedule". Ever.
If you amend the soil before you use it and you can go H20 only from start to finish.
Some say there's enough from start to finish like you, and some say otherwise...Alls I know is that my FFOF certainly has enough juice to go the distance.
Also, if you transplant using grow bags, you will NOT encounter transplant shock. Also, you take the time pH your water for whatever reason, and I don't worry about it because I know my soil buffers the pH of everything I put in it....
But should I give you hell because you pH your water and I think thats VERY unnecessary given the fact that I haven't done it it?
Seems like you got a beef with something someone said, but I certainly didn't say that you couldn't grow using FFOF and nothing more..
But
& I garden on carpet lol. Shit is CLEAN!
Again...I do not disagree but there is this pre concieved notion with allot of growers ( some new, some old ) that they have to somehow create this magical super soil in order for them to have good results....and thats really not the case. I to ammend my soils more so for my outdoor gardens but that can get way out there for someone starting out....and you pointed out that perhaps I was lashing out at something someone else said....well there is some truth to that....because on allot of these threads people spew out allot of bunk. I'm an old school grower...been at it for a while now and as you pointed out.....you can have great results without being a mad scientist!! Fox Farm Ocean Forest can and will take you to the finish line!! And by the way....I love my smoke grown in soil....oh my goodness!!! So I only grow in soil....but By saying that I'm not argueing that hydro does not wk and so on...It's all good bro. A lot of things can be made simpler than they are true!
But likewise, you can make the soil better by amending it..If that wasn't the case, this organics section wouldn't exist
I hear you loud and clear....do you use fem seeds or regular seeds? I use reg seed to start and select my moms then clone from there but I have planted just regular seeds and sexed and grown them out...here is what I am thinking....I start them in happy frog like I stated before....I want to increase the N just slightly in my happy frog....just elevate it slightly....I want to increase my female ratios from seed by using a 16hr light/8hr dark, lowering the temp in my room slightly, increasing N just slightly in the soil i start them in and raising the humidity a tad.....I dont want to elevate the n to much.....using worm castings...what do you think would be a reasonable amount to mix into my HF just to increase N slightly.The more you learn about soil, the more you'll realize that there's more too it man.
You just gotta look a little deeper..And believe me, I'm ALWAYS lookin' for ways to improve anything that I can.
This magical super soil that your talking about, I think it exists. If you couldn't make better soils, FFOF would cost the same an Miracle grow and other cheaper soils, which are amended with few ingredients.
FFOF costs more per bag bcuz there' more in it per bag brother. That's fact, just your the labels.
And it's not the growers need to creat a super soil to be successful, growing in one just makes the process easier.
Like no problems at all easy.
For example, if you add more earthworm castings to your FFOF, you unleash the power of Nitrogen in your soil by adding more Nitrogen fixing baceria.
Adding more organic matter to the soil mean the potential for more life in the soil, which means the potential for more available nutrients..
Sure you can get by just fine with FFOF. That's true.
I'm not into getting by, I'm trying to excel...
I'm one of those "new" noobs bro. There's so much more to it....
Well there are several reports out there that show these studies....its in several of the ...hmmm how could I put it....some of the reputable growers...for instance Jorge Cerevantes Mj horticulture and most recently Greg Green published Dutch Passions findings in his Mj breeders bible....I had been reading this for a while...I am going to try it out for myself...fortunatly I do have the space to grow out enough to see what the results turn out to be.....I guess thats looking like a future thread ha..!!I'm using fem. seeds atm bro. Everything I've got right now is ordered from Attitude except for the pic that I posted above of the bag seed.
I don't really have the luxury of owning the place and having ample space, so I make due in the closet. But with that said, I go with fem. just to save the time and space.
But why do you say that you can increase your odds of females by running the lights 16/8? I wasn't aware of that bro.
And happy frog is coir based rather than soil based, so it's a different beast than the FFOF.
I went with FFOF because it was soil. IDK that it's fact, but I've read that the pH in coir is less stable than that of a soil base.
But you can use several things to add more Nitrogen bro! CHECK THIS THREAD OUT HAHA! Everything you're asking is here 3 times!
Have a quick look and get back to me hahah! I promise your answers are here.
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But you can't elevate the N too much using worm castings. They're a very mild fert. You don't wanna over do it tho like with anything
I will look it up.....what are you using for lights?? HID...WhatYou kinda gotta pick thru it for the relevant info, but this is some good stuff for any soil nerd
http://swstout.articlealley.com/characteristics-of-good-quality-soil-1697929.html
One day I'll get there man(bottled sized colas haha)! Thanks tho! I can't believe it 3am lol. I my eyes are like glazed over I'm so zuited haha!Those are nice pics....I never took pics of my grows but I produced colas the size of a regular size water bottle....huge...grade a smoke....
Of course....space is a non factor in my case....but those are beautiful girls...for sure!!