The Psychology Of Wrong Answers AKA Asch conformity experiments

billy4479

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So I have been reading Psychology and i came across a somthing very intersting ..Have your ever seen sombody ask a Q here and than many people give them the wrong answer than soon that answer becomes a fact ..well heres whats going on its called the Asch conformity experiments done in the 1950s ....heres the experment tell me if you have not seen this take place on hear over and over again ............................................................................................................................





Experiments led by Solomon Asch of Swarthmore College asked groups of students to participate in a "vision test." In reality, all but one of the participants were confederates of the experimenter, and the study was really about how the remaining student would react to the confederates' behavior.
Each participant was put into a group with 5 to 7 "confederates" (people who knew the true aims of the experiment, but were introduced as participants to the naive "real" participant). The participants were shown a card with a line on it, followed by another card with 3 lines on it labeled A, B, and C. The participants were then asked to say which line matched the line on the first card in length. Each line question was called a "trial". The "real" participant answered last or next to last. For the first two trials, the participant would feel at ease in the experiment, as he and the confederates gave the obvious, correct answer. On the third trial, the confederates would all give the same wrong answer. There were 18 trials in total and the confederates answered incorrectly for 12 of them. These 12 were known as the "critical trials". The aim was to see whether the real participant would change his answer and respond in the same way as the confederates, despite it being the wrong answer.
Results

In a control group, with no pressure to conform to an erroneous view, only one participant out of 35 ever gave an incorrect answer. Solomon Asch hypothesized that the majority of participants would not conform to something obviously wrong; however, when surrounded by individuals all voicing an incorrect answer, participants provided incorrect responses on a high proportion of the questions (32%). Seventy-five percent of the participants gave an incorrect answer to at least one question.
Variations of the basic paradigm tested how many cohorts were necessary to induce conformity, examining the influence of just one cohort and as many as fifteen. Results indicate that one cohort has virtually no influence and two cohorts have only a small influence. When three or more cohorts are present, the tendency to conform increases only modestly. The maximum effect occurs with four cohorts. Adding additional cohorts does not produce a stronger effect.
The unanimity of the confederates has also been varied. When the confederates are not unanimous in their judgment, even if only one confederate voices a different opinion, participants are much more likely to resist the urge to conform (only 5-10% conform) than when the confederates all agree. This finding illuminates the power that even a small dissenting minority can have. Interestingly, this finding holds whether or not the dissenting confederate gives the correct answer. As long as the dissenting confederate gives an answer that is different from the majority, participants are more likely to give the correct answer. Men show around half the effect of women (tested in same-sex groups); and conformity is higher among members of an ingroup.Interpretations

Public conformity vs. social influence

The Asch conformity experiments are often interpreted as evidence for the power of conformity and normative social influence.[SUP][[/SUP] That is, the willingness to conform publicly in order to attain social reward and avoid social punishment. Others have argued that it is rational to use other people's judgments as evidence Along the lines of the latter perspective, the Asch conformity experiments are cited as evidence for the self-categorization theory account of social influence. From that perspective the Asch results are interpreted as an outcome of depersonalization processes whereby the participants expect to hold the same opinions as similar others.Social comparison theory
The conformity demonstrated in Asch experiments is problematic for social comparison theorywhich predicts that social reality testing, or informational influence, will arise when physical reality testing yields uncertainty. The Asch conformity experiments demonstrated that uncertainty can arise as an outcome of social reality testing. Relatedly, this inconsistency has been used to support the position that the theoretical distinction between social reality testing and physical reality testing is untenable
 

billy4479

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In short if at least 4 people give the wrong answer than you might be influenced to agree or to give the wrong answer as well ....
 

billy4479

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Whats might be a good experment 2 would be have sombody down the line give the right answer that sombody who was influenced might have givin than watch them try the best to defend that the wrong answer must be a correct because if not than that would mean they were wrong was influenced .....or that the 4 other people would have to be all wrong to i see this hear on the threads all the time its kinda of funny to watch
 

billy4479

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I hope alot of you in the advanced forum read this and are not scared to put down your ideahs even if they dont mix with what everbody else on a thread is saying
 

Opm

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"If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth." - Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propagandist.
 

Murfy

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this bullshit technique-

is being employed to reconstruct the reality. everywhere.
 

MixedMelodyMindBender

Active Member
"If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth." - Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propagandist.
Sadly the utter truth for modern times. One notable quote of hitler's that rings so true in todays world is " Nothing makes a governments job easier, than having SHEEP for citizenry"

Inventor of the Checkpoint---Nazi SS Troops
Inventor of National ID--- Hitler

Hitler proved one very important factoid of life on earth--Making HUMANS anything other than HUMANS is BIG BIG $$$$$$. Now days we call them Criminals. Sub-humans. A reminder that mans capability to be inhuman to his fellow man will always out weight its ability to be a righteous creature.
 

missnu

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it is no different than how rumors become fact...once enough people believe something it is true, because you can't go back and make the masses unbelieve..
 

missnu

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I hope alot of you in the advanced forum read this and are not scared to put down your ideahs even if they dont mix with what everbody else on a thread is saying
I say what I believe to be the right answer to a given problem regardless of what someone else says. I am a nonconformist...
 

MixedMelodyMindBender

Active Member
My signature used to say "THINK FOR YOURSELF" don't be told what to think or what to believe. Question everything, especially everything from the Government.

It's our civil DUTY to be NON CONFORMIST. The founding fathers envisioned a Governmental Body that bends TO THE PEOPLE....Not the PEOPLE BENDING(Bowing) to the Government. How disproportioned that is in today's world.
 

obijohn

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The Internet has become a major reason for disinformation. Aside from some bad info being propagated across these forums, ever notice how on places like Facebook, every few months someone will post OMG I HEARD FACEBOOK WILL START CHARGING PLEASEREPOST SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN,!!!!

And people don't question it, they believe it and repost it
 

obijohn

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Heheh how about the one where watering with grape Kool aid will make your buds purple and taste like grapes?
 

Uncle Ben

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So I have been reading Psychology and i came across a somthing very intersting ..Have your ever seen sombody ask a Q here and than many people give them the wrong answer than soon that answer becomes a fact ..well heres whats going on its called the Asch conformity experiments done in the 1950s ....heres the experment tell me if you have not seen this take place on hear over and over again ............................................................................................................................





Experiments led by Solomon Asch of Swarthmore College asked groups of students to participate in a "vision test." In reality, all but one of the participants were confederates of the experimenter, and the study was really about how the remaining student would react to the confederates' behavior.
Each participant was put into a group with 5 to 7 "confederates" (people who knew the true aims of the experiment, but were introduced as participants to the naive "real" participant). The participants were shown a card with a line on it, followed by another card with 3 lines on it labeled A, B, and C. The participants were then asked to say which line matched the line on the first card in length. Each line question was called a "trial". The "real" participant answered last or next to last. For the first two trials, the participant would feel at ease in the experiment, as he and the confederates gave the obvious, correct answer. On the third trial, the confederates would all give the same wrong answer. There were 18 trials in total and the confederates answered incorrectly for 12 of them. These 12 were known as the "critical trials". The aim was to see whether the real participant would change his answer and respond in the same way as the confederates, despite it being the wrong answer.
Results

In a control group, with no pressure to conform to an erroneous view, only one participant out of 35 ever gave an incorrect answer. Solomon Asch hypothesized that the majority of participants would not conform to something obviously wrong; however, when surrounded by individuals all voicing an incorrect answer, participants provided incorrect responses on a high proportion of the questions (32%). Seventy-five percent of the participants gave an incorrect answer to at least one question.
Variations of the basic paradigm tested how many cohorts were necessary to induce conformity, examining the influence of just one cohort and as many as fifteen. Results indicate that one cohort has virtually no influence and two cohorts have only a small influence. When three or more cohorts are present, the tendency to conform increases only modestly. The maximum effect occurs with four cohorts. Adding additional cohorts does not produce a stronger effect.
The unanimity of the confederates has also been varied. When the confederates are not unanimous in their judgment, even if only one confederate voices a different opinion, participants are much more likely to resist the urge to conform (only 5-10% conform) than when the confederates all agree. This finding illuminates the power that even a small dissenting minority can have. Interestingly, this finding holds whether or not the dissenting confederate gives the correct answer. As long as the dissenting confederate gives an answer that is different from the majority, participants are more likely to give the correct answer. Men show around half the effect of women (tested in same-sex groups); and conformity is higher among members of an ingroup.Interpretations

Public conformity vs. social influence

The Asch conformity experiments are often interpreted as evidence for the power of conformity and normative social influence.[SUP][[/SUP] That is, the willingness to conform publicly in order to attain social reward and avoid social punishment. Others have argued that it is rational to use other people's judgments as evidence Along the lines of the latter perspective, the Asch conformity experiments are cited as evidence for the self-categorization theory account of social influence. From that perspective the Asch results are interpreted as an outcome of depersonalization processes whereby the participants expect to hold the same opinions as similar others.Social comparison theory
The conformity demonstrated in Asch experiments is problematic for social comparison theorywhich predicts that social reality testing, or informational influence, will arise when physical reality testing yields uncertainty. The Asch conformity experiments demonstrated that uncertainty can arise as an outcome of social reality testing. Relatedly, this inconsistency has been used to support the position that the theoretical distinction between social reality testing and physical reality testing is untenable
Yep, been saying it for years. Look at the never ending paradigms at this site, the need to conform, the group need for a consensus.
 

Apomixis

Active Member
Thank god for peer reviewed publications.
If it weren't for those, none of us would know what to believe.
With that in mind, who plants by the lunar cycle here?
 

billy4479

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I plant on the lunar cycle to a point... When the moon is close to full I will throw my girls into flower and 2 full moons later I harvest .
 

cannawizard

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HAHA.. bro.. I was about to post the same thing..

""Their research concluded that besides other forms of sensory response, "it is very likely that some form of sensitivity to sound and vibrations also plays an important role in the life of plants".""

The science behind plants is only gonna get better, so much is still left undiscovered ;)
 
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