Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

[Bud Brewer]

It is puzzling me greatly...if you have such light power and a well thought out room as you do, why defoliate? why not just extend the veg time anyway? that is what is producing your yields.

See I like that I top once and and let the plant do its thing. I dont wanna work on them I want to get high A long veg will yield considerably more and I have found that large old plants are much morepotent than young ones. I know most do it this due t space limitations. But this veg for a month crap is what the commercial dudes do. All bout da money.

I defoliate for the dense branching it creates if it was just veg time I would have a normal looking large plant with one larger cola and few good side branches but defoliated made a bush instead of a tree.

Until you try it once you won't know I have clones ready for the defoliation test to be started soon you will see the different growth patterns quickly the final result will take months but the clones are perfect all equal and ready.

I think running little veg time is a waste because the plant doesn't get large but still takes 2-3 months adding one month veg you can double your yield if you have the space. I like to veg as long as the flowering plants are running making for nice large plants to replace them in the flowering room.

This is a couple of weeks after the last veg defoliation the intense branch caused by forcing the small leaves left to become fan leaves growing from all the little nodes.







You see what I mean by bush not the classic Christmas tree it would have been. That's the back side that hasn't seen direct light in a couple of weeks since the last defoliation.

Then I let them leaf out before bud I like leaves they feed the plant but I don't need them all in veg I got lots of food for them. The leaves I pluck go in a blender and one cup of leaves goes in a gallon to ferment then a cup of that to a gallon.

 

[Bud Brewer]

He is extending the veg time. The plant has to recover from the stress and will try to replace that which is lost. In the meantime you've also set back root production. He did a great job (which doesn't necessarily mean his success was due to stripping the plant) but did not run a control group under exact conditions so the jury's still out. In bonafide field studies, not only is every condition replicated but it's done 3 times to verify the conclusion of the strictly controlled test.



Seed sales is part of the cannabis industry racket. 20 years ago there was a handful of "breeders", seedbanks. Now there's hundreds and it's the same old furniture just moved around the room with a new name. Mel Frank even said many years ago in his guide that Mexican can be the best weed you've ever smoked and I agree although it can take a while, like late November outdoors. Problem with Mex just like other equatorial strains is it tends to go hermie but it's easy to grow and the high is excellent especially if you find the old stuff which doesn't have indica genes. I have a collection of Mexican seeds from a friend who has been collecting only the best bagseed over decades.

The plant that BB grew looks Mexican to me. Fat, Xmas tree shaped, airy buds. He's gonna have some great smoke.

Tio

The buds are tight not airy at all I wish it was more sativa I am looking for a good energetic sativa to add to my stable.

The test will start soon.

 

[Kite High]

I defoliate for the dense branching it creates if it was just veg time I would have a normal looking large plant with one larger cola and few good side branches but defoliated made a bush instead of a tree.

Until you try it once you won't know I have clones ready for the defoliation test to be started soon you will see the different growth patterns quickly the final result will take months but the clones are perfect all equal and ready.

I think running little veg time is a waste because the plant doesn't get large but still takes 2-3 months adding one month veg you can double your yield if you have the space. I like to veg as long as the flowering plants are running making for nice large plants to replace them in the flowering room.

This is a couple of weeks after the last veg defoliation the intense branch caused by forcing the small leaves left to become fan leaves growing from all the little nodes.







You see what I mean by bush not the classic Christmas tree it would have been.

Then I let them leaf out before bud I like leaves they feed the plant but I don't need them all in veg I got lots of food for them. The leaves I pluck go in a blender and one cup of leaves goes in a gallon to ferment then a cup of that to a gallon.

I top for four mains and I have bushes as well

Without all that work of defoliation...that was the smallest one that run...it was over 3' high and a relay malfunction and baked em at 140F 98% rh ...that and I wasn't able to see to them properly due to my health at the time...but you get what I am saying...I tried defoliation way back a few different ways and every time in the same environment the not defoliated won in yield

 

[Bud Brewer]

That's a nice plant it streched out nice but I find it odd that now after so many posts you say you have done a side by side got any pics and what did you do for a test?

 

[Sincerely420]

How appropriate hahahaha!
Cheers world

 

[Slab]

Hurt me to find out that wasn't thc sap I have witnessed in the past.

Plant blood, heavy. Thanks for that Sin.

 

[Sincerely420]

No prob bro.
I'm not sold one way or another as far as defoliation goes at this point. I'm sure over time I'll begin to lean one way or the other, but I gotta try is out side by side to see wassup. I figure I'll start my experiment around April or May after I'm done harvesting everything in my current rotation...
Still then things could be strain dependent so I don't even know bro.

It OBVIOUSLY works(defoliation) otherwise ppl wouldn't say, do, or even swear by it.
But on the other I understand the argument of keeping the leaves given their function to the plant.
But I know for sure that shit is situational. I know I'm growing within my means.

A lot of conflicting info if you look for it so I know it's not a one way or the other thing..
I just found it HILARIOUS haha the quote "you might find this emotionally difficult but" hahahahaha
I been following this thread for a while now and had to LOL at that hahaha
But the looks of things, I'm sure someone out there found it emotionally difficult lol. I ain't calling NO NAMES haha I'm just sayin'

Love this forum and this thread haha too much good info here, as well as some funny shiiiii

 

[Slab]

It states clearly that pruning branches aka topping is how you a make a plant bush out.

It makes no menton of removing leaves to achieve any benefit, it states " the leave is neither replaced nor repaired".


It does state severe pruning will slow growth, and new growth may be distorted with a drop in potency.

 

[Sincerely420]

It states clearly that pruning branches aka topping is how you a make a plant bush out.

It makes no menton of removing leaves to achieve any benefit, it states " the leave is neither replaced nor repaired".


It does state severe pruning will slow growth, and new growth may be distorted with a drop in potency.

It's info to process and take what you will from it.
It states that removal of some leaves aren't detrimental to any plant. Followed up by and example of nature blablabla
The whole page refers to the stem and the leaves.

 

[Slab]

the first three paragraphs about pruning branches , the last two describe what happens when you remove a leaf or a branch.

it will never mention removing Healthy leaves as a part of pruning.

 

[Bud Brewer]

It states clearly that pruning branches aka topping is how you a make a plant bush out.

It makes no menton of removing leaves to achieve any benefit, it states " the leave is neither replaced nor repaired". Forgot this part directly after "but new leaves are continually being formed from the growing shoots." Imagine that it is simple biology.


It does state severe pruning will slow growth, and new growth may be distorted with a drop in potency.

He does state after the sentence I added to finish your sentence

"The stem since it connects all parts of the plant is more important as a whole.
When the stem breaks or creases, it is capable of repair. You can help the plant repair it's stem by splinting the wound or somehow propping the stem up straight. Stems take about four or five days to heal"

So he says the "leaves are continually being formed by the growing shoots."
like I have saying from day one making those new shoots with the only fans grow faster.

He also states the branches are more important so it would be better to remove the leaf then topping.

Suppercropping can really slow a plant down I've done that but don't unless I want to train a branch for light.

 

[Kite High]

That's a nice plant it streched out nice but I find it odd that now after so many posts you say you have done a side by side got any pics and what did you do for a test?

Was years ago and nope no pics. These are current as my hard drive shit on me recently with the head crashing into the medium so no ability to recoup data. That was the smallest one at over 3 foot. And that was at 3 weeks flower.

 

[Slab]

you have been growing that plant for almost half a year and your concerned about slowing things down, that is laughable.

 

[skunkd0c]

BB, this is gonna come across as crass as I know you're proud of your garden, but, after reviewing your results, the facts speak for themselves. https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/602889-defoliation-question-anyone-familiar-12.html#post8487106

Based on what I'm seeing, I'd say this is either your first gardening experience or damn close to it. It's obvious that defoilation is working against you, not for you, as it should.

Here's a few shots of one my indoor gardens at different stages of development, grown naturally, 2002.

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....and the results from a garden footprint of about 30 s.f. All but 2 of those baggies are 1 gal. and contain at least 4 oz. of bud.

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The plants look ok, i would be lying if i said they look special or uniquely impressive
are you saving the best till last ?

 

[Bud Brewer]

Two month veg two months flower today.

I didn't slow it down I forced it to grow more smaller branches.

Then let it grow untouched for five weeks two before flower then half defoliation three weeks flower

 

[elkukupanda]

I have to disagree to a certain extend about super cropping... It can slow down the plant... If the plant doesn't have enough foliage and depending on the damage(stunt) done to the plant...

 

[elkukupanda]

The first one is 24-48 hour stunt... The second one is 5-6 day stunt... And that's on many branches of the plant.. Btw SC doesn't stunt the overall pant... Just the branch/es until they recover...

 

[Slab]

I understand how the plant responds to having its leaf removed. I understand the side branching.

what you are doing is novelty not innovation.

Natural or four tops is how you get the most from these plants.

we are talking thousands of professional botanists who grow Cannabis in universities and government labrotories use those two methods for growing dank. You and some crackpots in their micro grows are going to have the next breakthrough growing 30 plants a decade.

 

[Slab]

The first one is 24-48 hour stunt... The second one is 5-6 day stunt... And that's on many branches of the plant.. Btw SC doesn't stunt the overall pant... Just the branch/es until they recover...

Trellis is the least evasive of the methods I will show you a pick in a minute, SC is not foolproof, kind of silly not being when are doing this. Full potential I mean.

I have peep hole where the bicep should be. It is a novelty also, shit can go wrong, training I have had no failures or hiccups.

 

[donmagicjuan]

has anyone ever heard of a peer reviewed scientific article?