How do I get to heaven? Answers to your questions on eternal life.
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Zaehet Strife
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Not according to Oldgrowth... for which my question still stands.
Why does god care whether or not we believe?
Please answer my question as simply as you can. Do not quote the bible, just answer the question.
OldGrowth420
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I can give you my opinion, but i have no facts for you.
It is His pleasure to conceal things from us,
and His ways are mysterious.
I truly wish i could just ask God why he built his system upon faith,
And receive a spoken word concrete answer for you.
but alas.. I cannot.
I believe it's just a beautiful test.
I know this isn't a great answer, but my mind is finite, as well as my understanding of the Creator.
I will continue to research this, and hopefully give you a better answer.
It is His pleasure to conceal things from us,
and His ways are mysterious.
I truly wish i could just ask God why he built his system upon faith,
And receive a spoken word concrete answer for you.
but alas.. I cannot.
I believe it's just a beautiful test.
I know this isn't a great answer, but my mind is finite, as well as my understanding of the Creator.
I will continue to research this, and hopefully give you a better answer.
420IAMthatIAM
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actually GOD doesn't care... because he made some people not to believe... just as he made some people to believe
OldGrowth420
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God certainly cares. He commanded us to go out and spread the gospel to all nations.
We have to bear this corrupt world and satan until we tell everyone about Jesus.
He wants to give everyone the chance to believe.
But you are right about one thing 420IAMthatIAM
Some people are weeds planted in God's field and will be burned in the end.
[h=3]Matthew 13:24-43[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]The Parable of the Weeds[/h][SUP]24 [/SUP]Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. [SUP]26 [/SUP]When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
[h=3]The Parables of the Mustard Seed and the Yeast[/h][SUP]31 [/SUP]He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds[SUP][a][/SUP] of flour until it worked all through the dough.”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. [SUP]35 [/SUP]So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:
“I will open my mouth in parables,
I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”[SUP][b][/SUP]
[h=3]The Parable of the Weeds Explained[/h][SUP]36 [/SUP]Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
[SUP]37 [/SUP]He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. [SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]“As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. [SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. [SUP]42 [/SUP]They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
We have to bear this corrupt world and satan until we tell everyone about Jesus.
He wants to give everyone the chance to believe.
But you are right about one thing 420IAMthatIAM
Some people are weeds planted in God's field and will be burned in the end.
[h=3]Matthew 13:24-43[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]The Parable of the Weeds[/h][SUP]24 [/SUP]Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. [SUP]26 [/SUP]When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
[h=3]The Parables of the Mustard Seed and the Yeast[/h][SUP]31 [/SUP]He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds[SUP][a][/SUP] of flour until it worked all through the dough.”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. [SUP]35 [/SUP]So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:
“I will open my mouth in parables,
I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”[SUP][b][/SUP]
[h=3]The Parable of the Weeds Explained[/h][SUP]36 [/SUP]Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
[SUP]37 [/SUP]He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. [SUP]38 [/SUP]The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, [SUP]39 [/SUP]and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]“As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. [SUP]41 [/SUP]The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. [SUP]42 [/SUP]They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
OldGrowth420
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Asking me to explain why God wants us to believe in Him, without using God's Word the Holy Bible is like asking me to explain something about the buddha without using the Dharma or buddhas teachings.
Why God wants something is a very hard question to answer, as I am of flesh and God is of Spirit.
Why God wants something is a very hard question to answer, as I am of flesh and God is of Spirit.
420IAMthatIAM
Active Member
ok oldGrowth420 this could go on forever but I will make it short first of all I have been where you are believe in jesus or die in your sins.but as time passed I became open minded the first that I learned is that his name is not jesus not in Hebrew or any other language jeshua and those other Hebrew words that people use to say is Hebrew for jesus is false those words are for Joshua... isaiah.7:14 tells you plainly he that would be born of avirgin would be named Immanuel. no if and buts about it.since I stopped using that name jesus and began to learn straight from creator life for me is very clear as is truth.all religions have bits of truth in them but none of are the truth its up to us that is each man to find those bits of truth and from them enjoy life and god and the company of mankindyou have to look at the whole picture.this is a link to my youtube channel watch this video #6 where did religions come from then read gen.chapter11 with a open heart...and remember GOD is GOD and he can do what he pleases that's what makes him GOD http://youtu.be/X1sgTKbt124
http://youtu.be/X1sgTKbt124
OldGrowth420
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Immanuel is one with YHWH. Jesus and Immanuel are the same person. God with us.
I'm glad you have found the Father, now it is time for you to find His Son.
Don't lead people astray with your false teachings.
Stay on the narrow path and follow the Word of God.
I'm glad you have found the Father, now it is time for you to find His Son.
Don't lead people astray with your false teachings.
Stay on the narrow path and follow the Word of God.
mindphuk
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Isaiah 7 was not a messianic prophecy. It is a contemporary prophecy for King Ahaz. The original Hebrew word does not mean virgin, but maiden, or young woman. Also, the Hebrew uses the definite article (“the"). It is likely meant to indicate that Isaiah pointed to a woman who was present at the scene of the prophet’s interview with Ahaz. Isaiah would not be referring to a future virgin conceiving the messiah in this way.ok oldGrowth420 this could go on forever but I will make it short first of all I have been where you are believe in jesus or die in your sins.but as time passed I became open minded the first that I learned is that his name is not jesus not in Hebrew or any other language jeshua and those other Hebrew words that people use to say is Hebrew for jesus is false those words are for Joshua... isaiah.7:14 tells you plainly he that would be born of avirgin would be named Immanuel. no if and buts about it.since I stopped using that name jesus and began to learn straight from creator life for me is very clear as is truth.all religions have bits of truth in them but none of are the truth its up to us that is each man to find those bits of truth and from them enjoy life and god and the company of mankindyou have to look at the whole picture.this is a link to my youtube channel watch this video #6 where did religions come from then read gen.chapter11 with a open heart...and remember GOD is GOD and he can do what he pleases that's what makes him GOD
Kite High
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The Name is Yahweh...messiah's name is Yahshuaok oldGrowth420 this could go on forever but I will make it short first of all I have been where you are believe in jesus or die in your sins.but as time passed I became open minded the first that I learned is that his name is not jesus not in Hebrew or any other language jeshua and those other Hebrew words that people use to say is Hebrew for jesus is false those words are for Joshua... isaiah.7:14 tells you plainly he that would be born of avirgin would be named Immanuel. no if and buts about it.since I stopped using that name jesus and began to learn straight from creator life for me is very clear as is truth.all religions have bits of truth in them but none of are the truth its up to us that is each man to find those bits of truth and from them enjoy life and god and the company of mankindyou have to look at the whole picture.this is a link to my youtube channel watch this video #6 where did religions come from then read gen.chapter11 with a open heart...and remember GOD is GOD and he can do what he pleases that's what makes him GOD
OldGrowth420
Well-Known Member
Prophecy of Jesus Christ, Immanuel's life written about 700 years before his life.
[h=3]Isaiah 53[/h]New International Version (NIV)
53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]By oppression[SUP][a][/SUP] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]9 [/SUP]He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[SUP][c][/SUP] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[SUP][d][/SUP] and be satisfied[SUP][e][/SUP];
by his knowledge[SUP][f][/SUP] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[SUP][g][/SUP]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[SUP][h][/SUP]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
[h=3]Isaiah 53[/h]New International Version (NIV)
53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]By oppression[SUP][a][/SUP] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]9 [/SUP]He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[SUP][c][/SUP] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[SUP][d][/SUP] and be satisfied[SUP][e][/SUP];
by his knowledge[SUP][f][/SUP] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[SUP][g][/SUP]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[SUP][h][/SUP]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
OldGrowth420
Well-Known Member
Man is raised from the dead by Christian doctor
[video=youtube;RRoAcfzytCA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRoAcfzytCA[/video]
[video=youtube;RRoAcfzytCA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRoAcfzytCA[/video]
OldGrowth420
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This needs to go here as well.
Man dies, comes back to life, goes to heaven and to hell.
[video=youtube;xRSjzY0s0SM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRSjzY0s0SM[/video]
Man dies, comes back to life, goes to heaven and to hell.
[video=youtube;xRSjzY0s0SM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRSjzY0s0SM[/video]
tyler.durden
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I think I'm beginning to see what you're talking about, OG. This is a good thread, but it could use more posting of scripture and YT videos...
Zaehet Strife
Well-Known Member
Actually, the truth of the matter is... that when god was battling satan, satan actually won. From that time on satan has been filling peoples minds with faith... because he knows that no matter how much faith someone has, it still leaves them empty and their questions unanswered which fills satan with pleasure.
We are all being deceived by satan, and he laughs at our discomfort and fear while living in this imaginary world, living in hell... we will all die and return back to hell.
Criminals together. We're in hell, my little friend, and there's never any mistake there. People are not damned for nothing.
You are a fool if you think god won the battle, take a good fucking look around, god wouldn't allow any of this... but satan... this is satan's play thing.
We are all being deceived by satan, and he laughs at our discomfort and fear while living in this imaginary world, living in hell... we will all die and return back to hell.
Criminals together. We're in hell, my little friend, and there's never any mistake there. People are not damned for nothing.
You are a fool if you think god won the battle, take a good fucking look around, god wouldn't allow any of this... but satan... this is satan's play thing.
OldGrowth420
Well-Known Member
Satan is indeed prince of this world,
But he was defeated at the cross by the sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
When Christ return's He will be thrown into hell.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
I can feel inside the benefits of following God's will laid out for me in the Holy Bible.
My spirit feels more holy and light,
the whites of my eyes shine with life.
And i have a peace that cannot be shaken.
The less i sin the better i feel, and i know if i continue on this path i will reach Heaven.
OldGrowth420
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The brain cannot raise people from the dead.
tyler.durden
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OldGrowth420
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Lol nice. I can't stop starring at his mouth. that's some rad makeup. or great cgi.