True ReefBongwell i just want to rag on tga, you got me. I know sub released alot of great genetics before but there is just something off about it now, subcool being an asshole is one of them, i used to be a "weed nerd" and watch all of the shows on youtube etc, i remember him talking about not liking the sour diesels and chems and OGs, then he moves to cali and suddenly smokes it all the time and brags about matt rizes ice wax that was made from those strains? after i traveled the internet and read other breeders way of handling negative critisism or questions, i really feel you should do the same. check out seeddepot, check out canna collective, see how the breeders there interfere with their customers, its a total different world, IF his "strains" were really that potent and i only had to grow out a 10 pack to find my keeper, 100 dollars would be no problem, but i would rather spend 130 on 7 raskal beens or 70 on 11 bodhi beens or 50(!!) on 12 hazeman beens and get most likely better results. Also for the fans of apollo 13 check out motarebel he has an f4 wich is getting restocked at TSD very soon. I like that bodhi used the same concept that tga used, pollen chucking with a good male, but he has a crazy clone selection muuch better then TGA and still releases the beans cheaper, the breeders that im refering to often have their stock sold out pretty fast too, i know thats because they dont make as many as TGA, but that gave me something to think about. I also remember sub bashing on alphakronik for making his own space jill and releasing it, i remember sub saying he was gonna pull it from the selection, but check at the attitude you can still buy them? that was a long time ago now. Also in alphakroniks LVPK bx you would still find mostly space queen dominant phenos from what ive heard, is that what you want when you are searching for the LVPK? not bashing alphakronik here rather the spacequeen. i know you "weed nerds" are going to hate on me for saying this, that is also one of the problems with weed nerds they are so protective over sub, like he cant defend himself? and the way he defends himself is by being an asshole really, and when people ask him questions he answers by saying ive allready answered this question a million times i have 43 mails to read everyday blablabla... Im so glad i did some research on strains before i bought mine otherwise i might have fallen for his good sales tricks. seriously check out hazemans catalogue, he doesnt use either a spacequeen male or a JTR male, he has an arsenal. Weird how sub never bashed motarebel for his apollo 13 f4 when it was just as much of subs creation as the spacequeen was? spacequeen is from Vic High, wich also liked to do pollen chuck and create f1s.