Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

[PJ Diaz]

Isn't a retailer who sells all brands of indoor lighting gear considered non-partisan?

The answer to that question is a resounding no. In fact a retailer would be the last source you could expect to be anywhere near biased. They will, however, find a 1001 ways to fluff up the products they do resell. If they do "highly" recommend one of their contracted brands over others it is more likely to do with higher sales commissions with one brand compared to another or special kickbacks provided from the manufacturer. Of course there is a fine line of a retail company selling cheap ass junk and promoting it as quality for sales compared to their own reputation, but that usually comes with the retail brand selection in the first place.

Its a bit puzzling to me that you would even assume that a retail business sector be a "non partisan" when their only objective is to sell you at almost any cost. I thought that was pretty much a unwritten fact. As in "we know they are going to lie to us, we know their bullshit is simply a sales tactic, but we will pretend we are interested in the crap they have to feed to us". Of course I still dont know what this has to do with the topic.

Good point. I guess I figured since they were comparing the different brands they sell it would be "less-partisan", lol.

 

[PJ Diaz]

A university is not in it for the marketing, spin, and finally the money....... shit-fer-brains.

You're typical of the majority of this community, sucking up every line, gimmick and hoax retailers throw at your feet. What did you get a degree in, Philosophy? Sure as hell wasn't Business Administration or Marketing.

Sheesh!

Please keep your profanity and insults to yourself. Fact is I don't have a degree. I need one or two more classes to get that paper. I never needed one. I work full time at a university now. The professors with phds and masters call me when they can't figure out how to make stuff work. I have taken college level horticulture and botany classes. I could have a degree in either with a few more classes. I went a different direction professionally.

 

[colonuggs]

"Present day advances"? That's the biggest sales pitch I've ever seen. Curious, do ya get a free liter of Brawndo with every order?

Look fellers, I'll say it again. You may be a sucker for the next sales pitch that comes along, not me. If you want to convince me of anything related to cannabis products, you have to give me a test done by a non-partisan organization, preferably a university.

So actually seeing the light meter results in the video for yourself isnt proff enough??

seeing that the luxor hood has more reflective properties and gives off more FootCandles than other hoods using the same ballast... same bulbs.... same 24 inch distance... by use of a light meter isnt proof??hmmm

 

[PJ Diaz]

So actually seeing the light meter results in the video for yourself isnt proff enough??

seeing that the luxor hood has more reflective properties and gives off more FootCandles than other hoods using the same ballast... same bulbs.... same 24 inch distance... by use of a light meter isnt proof??hmmm

Of course not. UB is hyper-cynical. He'll tell you it's some bait and switch or something. Computer modeling programs used by lighting engineers apparently mean nothing to old crusty.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Of course not. UB is hyper-cynical. He'll tell you it's some bait and switch or something. Computer modeling programs used by lighting engineers apparently mean nothing to old crusty.

I'm a pragmatist, Plato.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I'm a pragmatist, Plato.

I call BS on this. If you were a pragmatist, you would have derived your theories from practice, which is not the case here. You have not practiced defoliation, yet you have already adopted a theory regarding it. That's the opposite of pragmatism bro. If anything, I'm the pragmatist in this case, as I am practicing defoliation now, and after one run I will have a verified theory as a result, which I can then put back into practice. You seem to be confused as to what pragmatism is and what it is not.

 

[Uncle Ben]

I call BS on this. If you were a pragmatist, you would have derived your theories from practice, which is not the case here. You have not practiced defoliation, yet you have already adopted a theory regarding it.

You and your noobie friends are all about theories. I deal with science only. Word is "botany". Look it up.

Since when do you know what I've "practiced" and what I haven't? OK, I get it.....you're not only a philosopher but you have the uncanny ability to see into file cabinets, read palms, and were voted as the best Ouija board guru of your graduating elementary class?

 

[elkukupanda]

Hmmm..... I'm still new to the cannabis cultivation.... However, my 2cents here are... Pruning = reshape of the plant due to aesthetic, space, aeration, etc... Of all the little pruning I have done in my life... I have never ever seen flowering/fruit plants develop better flowers/fruits with less leafs/more light... Leafs and light go together... Simple as that... Even if you don't think you are receiving any light ( unless you are growing over 6 feet plants with a stationary light I don't see why people would think the light is not reaching.. Even then a little might be reflecting back there ) but don't blame the leaves... Instead buy another light or grow shorter plants.

 

[elkukupanda]

As for extreme defoliation... Can someone explain me... How the fuck plants benefit from this during the 12 hours of darkness? Plants "grow" while they "breath" during their "sleep"... And do their extra things u know... The sun is essential, however, for something to be essential there also must be something intrinsic essential as well as a counter measure. We are the product of light and darkness... Millions and millions years of evolution.... Don't try to change that in a grow or two... Without even first creating an specific strain for defoliation

 

[elkukupanda]

Another thing... Yes, I'm a believer that you don't need all the leaves in order for a plant to "survive"... As well as we don't need two lungs, two eyes, two kidneys etc... Yes, nature always thinking.. Shit happens and we gotta survive.. However, again... We are growing for maximum yield/potency... I don't think I have to explain what I'm trying to get at.... Just get more lights..

 

[PJ Diaz]

You and your noobie friends are all about theories. I deal with science only. Word is "botany". Look it up.

Since when do you know what I've "practiced" and what I haven't? OK, I get it.....you're not only a philosopher but you have the uncanny ability to see into file cabinets, read palms, and were voted as the best Ouija board guru of your graduating elementary class?

Oh, hi. You still here? You are real good at slinging insults. Are you good at anything else?

 

[Slab]

Another thing... Yes, I'm a believer that you don't need all the leaves in order for a plant to "survive"... As well as we don't need two lungs, two eyes, two kidneys etc... Yes, nature always thinking.. Shit happens and we gotta survive.. However, again... We are growing for maximum yield/potency... I don't think I have to explain what I'm trying to get at.... Just get more lights..

good points, for fun I will add. if you cut off one hand, the other will becoming stronger from more use lol.

 

[Slab]

funny how the guy that started the thread didn't yeild shit and threw his equipment in the garbage. maybe he didn't remove enough leaf.

 

[rocknratm]

ok, so I dont think fan leaves cause any harm or loss in yeild. Bud sites, however, in the lower regions can definately take away from upper bud size.

Air flow is the more prevalent questions regarding lower fan leaves, You can just pinch off the bud sites and leave the fan leaves alone.

leave the leaves alone unless you need air flow, more photosynthesis potential

 

[giantsfan24]

I defoliated my last grow and just defoliated my current grow. I doubled my yield in my last grow from the grow prior to that and think I'll do better than that on this grow. I also minimized the possibility of disease in my environment, limited my vertical growth and improved the efficiency of my grow space.

The argument about defoliation won't ever end. The folks that haven't done it or didn't have success doing it claim it doesn't work while the more likely reason is that there were other issues with the grow variables. Something wasn't right and defoliating wasn't the answer to their issues.

I've never had a problem and it works great for me. I'll leave it at that.

Happy Trails

PS. Trying to be civil with the uncivilized is fruitless Making my point then not responding to critics is always the best use of my energy.

 

[Uncle Ben]

funny how the guy that started the thread didn't yeild shit and threw his equipment in the garbage. maybe he didn't remove enough leaf.

And here I thought we had given him the best advice possible by telling him "less is more"....that he needs to remove ALL leaves as they just get in the way?

Hmmmmmmm, must have been a 'senior moment' on my part.

 

[Slab]

HA, I bet you keep kids toys that fall accidently in your yard

 

[Kite High]

ha, i bet you keep kids toys that fall accidently in your yard

bored much?

 

[Slab]

bored much?

haven't been bored since I was a young boy, why do you ask?

 

[Kite High]

because in 4 years this seemed important enough to respond to when you have only posted 306 times in those 4 years...indicates boredom to me but that is just my interpretation