comparison of a bunch of breeders' mostly UP gear & quality

Clankie

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hey everyone, lets post pics of our worst Plants, indoor or outdoors. lets see who can win the title of Hazey Grapes. i actually think i can win this, even with his yellow twigs.

You know, this one time, earlier this year, the temperature here reached 107 degrees, like over a month before it usually gets that hot. I had just moved, and this was my first summer in a new location. the temperature at night failed to go below the mid 90s, and two of my biggest flowering plants got so roasty-toasty I had to hack 'em down, but they still looked better than Grapes wretched excuse for plants. My first grow was in a college dorm with t5s only, and it still looked better than anything Grapes has ever grown.

Also, from a psychological standpoint, I would like to cast a questioning eye on his constant usage of gay slurs as insults, and a particular (peculiar) anal fixation; which seems particularly out of place on a board where people only talk about mary jane.
 

Jogro

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hey everyone, lets post pics of our worst Plants, indoor or outdoors. lets see who can win the title of Hazey Grapes. i actually think i can win this, even with his yellow twigs.
I'm going to stand down here.

I'd never claim to be a "master" grower, let alone even an "expert", but honestly, even the worst plants I've ever grown in my life looked infinitely better than that picture from Hazey.

Even 15+ years ago, when I was a total newb, before there was any "rollitup.com", and I was totally on my own growing, with no internet grow guides, pictures, etc, I *still* did WAY better than THAT.

Hazey is really in a class of his own. I have NEVER seen anything that bad before, even from total newbs.

Again, its perfectly plain that Hazey is a total novice, and he doesn't know what he's doing. That's OK. That's what this forum is for, and he could still improve. . . Well, he could if he were willing to show a little humility, turn off the "I know everything already" ego and actually take some advice from actual growers.

But all this posing about breeding, and growing, this strain and that one. . .its just embarrassing. He's a legend in his own mind.
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

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I'm going to stand down here.

I'd never claim to be a "master" grower, let alone even an "expert", but honestly, even the worst plants I've ever grown in my life looked infinitely better than that picture from Hazey.

Even 15+ years ago, when I was a total newb, before there was any "rollitup.com", and I was totally on my own growing, with no internet grow guides, pictures, etc, I *still* did WAY better than THAT.

Hazey is really in a class of his own. I have NEVER seen anything that bad before, even from total newbs.

Again, its perfectly plain that Hazey is a total novice, and he doesn't know what he's doing. That's OK. That's what this forum is for, and he could still improve. . . Well, he could if he were willing to show a little humility, turn off the "I know everything already" ego and actually take some advice from actual growers.

But all this posing about breeding, and growing, this strain and that one. . .its just embarrassing. He's a legend in his own mind.
i got a plant from Attitude called "La Diva Auto" and it grew to about 2 inches and had 1 bud on it. if that isn't worse, then i can't say what is.
 

Edgar9

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I'm going to stand down here.

I'd never claim to be a "master" grower, let alone even an "expert", but honestly, even the worst plants I've ever grown in my life looked infinitely better than that picture from Hazey.

Even 15+ years ago, when I was a total newb, before there was any "rollitup.com", and I was totally on my own growing, with no internet grow guides, pictures, etc, I *still* did WAY better than THAT.

Hazey is really in a class of his own. I have NEVER seen anything that bad before, even from total newbs.

Again, its perfectly plain that Hazey is a total novice, and he doesn't know what he's doing. That's OK. That's what this forum is for, and he could still improve. . . Well, he could if he were willing to show a little humility, turn off the "I know everything already" ego and actually take some advice from actual growers.

But all this posing about breeding, and growing, this strain and that one. . .its just embarrassing. He's a legend in his own mind.
You just want Hazey to come out and play today, don't you?
 

Bigtacofarmer

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Come one now, I have never had a plant look that fucked up and still be alive, dude is clearly a master of his craft! I'm thinking maybe a stronger trellis for the next SCROG! I'm amazed those colas can hold themselves up!
 

Jogro

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i got a plant from Attitude called "La Diva Auto" and it grew to about 2 inches and had 1 bud on it. if that isn't worse, then i can't say what is.
At least you grew a plant to the end and got a bud! I'd say that's already better than Hazey.

In this case, its not your fault if the genetics were lousy. The question is, did you fully realize the plants potential? Was it so tiny because of something YOU did, or was it just the genetics? Some of the ruderalis based plants really ARE only a few inches tall at maturity.

I think you could make a real case for plant so tiny you could literally grow it in a shot glass under a desklamp. That's about as "stealth" as they get!

In terms of worse than Hazey, people do make some pretty bad errors.

There are people who cook their seeds with heating pads and such and kill the plants before they even germinate. Arguably, that's probably as bad as it gets from a growing standpoint.

There are people who try to grow under incandescent lamps, or using WAY too little lighting, and end up with what looks like bamboo poles with a few hemp leaves stuck on there. I think everyone has seen a few pictures like that.

People burn their plants to cinders by letting them grow in HPS lamps and such (I've done it. . .though not in a LONG time, and even so I just ruined part of one cola. The rest of that plant was STILL better than anything Hazey has ever grown). Some people put so much nutes, their plants are effectively poisoned to death. Some put so few, their plants yellow and wither.

But in seriousness, all these errors are from total clueless newbs, not from people who have 1000 posts on cannabis boards and brag about the strains they've bred!
 

althor

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I'm going to stand down here.

I'd never claim to be a "master" grower, let alone even an "expert", but honestly, even the worst plants I've ever grown in my life looked infinitely better than that picture from Hazey.

Even 15+ years ago, when I was a total newb, before there was any "rollitup.com", and I was totally on my own growing, with no internet grow guides, pictures, etc, I *still* did WAY better than THAT.

Hazey is really in a class of his own. I have NEVER seen anything that bad before, even from total newbs.

Again, its perfectly plain that Hazey is a total novice, and he doesn't know what he's doing. That's OK. That's what this forum is for, and he could still improve. . . Well, he could if he were willing to show a little humility, turn off the "I know everything already" ego and actually take some advice from actual growers.

But all this posing about breeding, and growing, this strain and that one. . .its just embarrassing. He's a legend in his own mind.

Several YEARS ago, I basically told him the same thing.
Take a break from telling everyone else how to grow, simply spend time working on your (hazey's) grow and getting ONE full grow under his belt. You will learn more from 1 full grow than all the reading you have ever done. It all starts making sense as you watch it happen in front of your eyes. Offered to help with whatever advice I could.
All that does is piss him off and you become a target of his "troll" bitching. Whatever his mental disability, he cant take advice, he sees everything as a personal assault. Instead he just continues what he does and continues killing more seeds than a flock of birds.
 

Clankie

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Several YEARS ago, I basically told him the same thing.
Take a break from telling everyone else how to grow, simply spend time working on your (hazey's) grow and getting ONE full grow under his belt. You will learn more from 1 full grow than all the reading you have ever done. It all starts making sense as you watch it happen in front of your eyes. Offered to help with whatever advice I could.
All that does is piss him off and you become a target of his "troll" bitching. Whatever his mental disability, he cant take advice, he sees everything as a personal assault. Instead he just continues what he does and continues killing more seeds than a flock of birds.

Right? in his "journal" he has a pics of all these seeds he's bought, and you know what, he should just send them all to me. I'd even be nice enough to mail him some of the yield back after I'd grown it properly to term.
 

Jogro

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You just want Hazey to come out and play today, don't you?
Honestly, I don't much care. He's long on words, short on content.

Its really to the point where I can't take anything the guy says seriously, and I've got him on "ignore" now. In the time I've been reading and posting here, he is the only one I've ever felt the need to put on "ignore".

Unfortunately, doing that doesn't make the quoted responses to his posts go away, or his posts entirely go away, but its a start.

Whatever his mental disability, he cant take advice, he sees everything as a personal assault. Instead he just continues what he does and continues killing more seeds than a flock of birds.
The fact is, there is so much good information out there now (including on this board) about just about ANY issue related to growing that there is really no excuse for anyone who wants to grow to grow ANYTHING like that, let alone someone who clearly spends a lot of time reading this board, thinking about growing, etc. That includes people who have limited space, resources, concealment issues, etc

I'll leave my amateur psychiatry out of this, but in short, in my opinion, its pretty clear the guy has real issues, and honestly, I think the best thing that can be done for him is to ignore him.
 

chongsbuddy

New Member
id love to know how many guys are on his mute list!he a fuckin tool is what he is!talks a big game,or tries to,but its clear the guy is a total amateur and a bit of a headcase
 
i just closed down a failed SCROG breeding program with a bunch of great strains. well the breeding part went well this time actually, but the "concentrating all growth on buds" top down & bottom up pruning left my gals with too little fan leaf for making babies and they eventually died off leaving just bud leaf. i knew i didn't like the sound of "get rid of any leaf that's below another one or and bud in the shade because it'll be popcorn blah blah blah" SCROG method. if you get rid of too many leaves, your plant won't have enough growth energy. from now on, i'm just going to let my gals stretch out & overlap at least one layer as i'm going to keep breeding.

to add to the stress my gals were going through trying to make a hundred or so babies each with nothing but bud leaf on many strains, i forgot to turn my fan on one night when i took it off 24h and heat stressed the heck out of the shortened cola sticks as well as the taller stretchy plants. the malawi gold in particular took it bad and eventually many of the plants developed what i'd be inclined to call "hot spot burns" that turned fan leaves and leaf tips calico.

i have plenty of beans to test next grow all knocked up by my last surviving joey weed C99 x A11 male plant. the winner of the best buzz award including "time pressure" is jack's cleaner 2 by TGA subcool. that and high quality seeds haze x skunk are in a close tie for favorite doable bud. the haze skunk was grown under a halide and the cleaner under a sodium in a rushed last minute grow, but that JC2 is awesome. the tops i took when this one burned were trippy! i recall a stone under the buzz, but not a KO. the really fun part was it's touchy feely buzz that reminded me of awesome buzzing but hideous tasting diesel based (an abomination! fuck oil to the hell it vomits from!) onyx by short stuff but it gave me the weirdest "body effect" i've ever had. even weirder than the lighter than air effect you get from columbian gold. when i was stroking either my chest, neck or leg & grooving on the touchy feely buzz that's cool enough in itself, i got the sensation that colors were rippling out of wherever i was touching in waves of invisible tie dye colors that made me laugh my ass off when i took it all in. oh that is a fun buzz and i'm getting more and that 9 week wonder is going to spray some ladies next grow. i might have found a life partner with JC2 if it only gets better than what i sampled.

haze skunk by HQS isn't shabby either. it's not quite as trippy and leans more towards clear headed motivation with little more than lead eye for stone. it's yucky cigar wrapper cheesy taste isn't a favorite of mine at all, but i like it better than diesel any day, i hated whatever diesel i scored once too. it's a vile unnatural taste to me. deal with it if your a tailpipe sucker! LOL this grow, i decided to try their thai skunk. it was good, but not as potent or long lasting as haze skunk which is the most potent & long lasting NAMED sativa dominant strain i've ever smoked to this day. i smoked someone's bud i couldn't score at any price (why i despise greed weed indicas!) that i'm positive had trippy columbian gold in it if it wasn't pure as it had that familiar minty weedy pine taste that brought right back to the 80s followed by the light giddy feeling you get in your stomach when you know you're gonna be gettin' high right quick and eventually mild room spinning get me the fuck out of here with this dude who won't stop playing fucking heavy metal guitar hero paranoia that was familar too. the haze skunk wasn't that trippy or visual, but it was way stickier and potent too with a longer lasting buzz, high ceilings and little tolerance building so that the buzz didn't turn to pure stone after a month of wake & bake needing a week's clense to get high again and actually started building up in my system giving me a mild 24/7 perma buzz with low grade nausea (probably partly due to dieting on that manna) that was easy to tune out in favor of euphoric motivation. for that nice of a buzz, i'll put up with a disgusting, but mild flavor any day just as i would getting dry heaves from disgusting licorice tasting durban poison for that decent high if that was all there was. i'd smoke some right now if i could.

i also grew some nice enough black label seeds' masterkush. they're supposedly a sister company to high quality according to something i read, but they at least use the same kind of annoying lose your seeds & destroy the packaging while you're at it plastic domes wedged between 2 layers of cardboard style packs. the masterkush buzz didn't impress me as it was mid stony, but it's a fast flowering and compact SOG plant with mild odor whose buzz is no worse than skunk #1. it's a good strain for cash croppers who don't mind breeding to get enough seeds for a grow or PC cabinet stealth grows. the keeper pheno i'm going to use had cool bright dark red seed pods that faded to a brownish color after a few days. the seeds themselves were actually red stained at their bases a little too when i first popped them out before pan frying the bud. it's a much better strain for shrinking & speeding up big tropicals without polluting them with the afghanicrap that dominates 99.999999% of street weed in most markets outside cali. both HQS & BLS are good value breeders in my book and the haze skunk is a deal of the century for what it does. i like it's cool alternating popcorn bud every inch or two branching pattern. it'd be awesome SCROGged. i want to put it head to head with jack right between my halide and sodium and see what's what.

i was really impressed with the jon sinclair sativa trans love freebie i got. i recall the buzz was "generic" mostly clear headed euphoria with motivation buzz i'm going to call "fruity haze" which many of the strains i tested shared. this one had a really odd silicone worm lure note to it's odor in early flowering that faded to a more fruity note later. if the buzz was familiar, the growth pattern wasn't! as soon as i flipped it, it stopped stretching and exploded resin faster than anything else except the autoflowering kush. oh that strain is cabinet magic and might just boot cindy & apollo out of my "ultimate indoor thai" quest if it's flowering time is as speedy as it's getting into it time. it left everything else in the dust and gave me a nice flat top with 8 or so nuggets of fun

i have mixed opinions on DNA genetics gear. the highest odor in the grow novelty flavor was interesting enough, but it was probably the stoniest plant in the grow. it wasn't bad really, i just have no use for any couchlock if it can be avoided. their sweet haze though was way more my speed and was the finest smoking fruity haze in the grow. it was just a little fruitier and stickier than the others even if it was a stretcher. it reminded me of short stuff's delicious grape tasting (under halides anyways... didn't get grape out of 2x grape SCH x C99 under my sodium for some reason... maybe the different soil mix?) i only got one little gram from my SCH freebie, but a member here said they thought the buzz was too short to be notable. i don't recall duration, but i liked the textbook haze classy buzz & taste a bunch. i also like DNA's nice lemon skunk freebie i tested last year. it had both a better flavor and buzz than skunk #1 and surprised me. their gear has clear personalities and nice quality to back it. i might buy something from them in the future. all 3 strains were clearly above average, even stony but delicious smelling sour cream. med users with a sweet tooth would eat that up.

on the fruity haze & jack's front, rokerij's bargain basement amnesia haze more than held it's own against very similar kannabia thai fantasy, CH9's jack, & female seeds' auto jack. the only loser really in the sweet haze camp was greenhouse seeds' super (really?) lemon haze. LOL it lived down to greenhouse's reputation. it took 4-5 nodes for it to stop mutating and grow straight and it ended up the absolute slowest flowering strain in the grow. it proved to be too much trouble and slow where trans love was right up it's alley in a fraction of the time and sweet haze was doing it better. i didn't get a hermie out of anything though so greenhouse dodged them balls in my grow.

barney's farm
LSD was a lot like a cross between masterkush and a fruity haze with a nasty KO creeper stone. i could have done without the hints of catpiss pheno haze in early flowering even if it faded to a more floral grape later, but it was one of the sexiest plants i've ever seen and was a little over half the height of short pheno C99 it was groiwing with with tons of sticky resin. not my kind of buzz. their laughing buddha sounds more my speed, but i've tried to get it to pop twice to no avail. the second time, it snapped itself in half wedged in a peat pellet's hole.

mandala's out of circulation until 2013 8 miles high is a top 5 strain for me for now. it had a really classy haze type buzz with a totally energy neutral buzz with no race or stone, but with plenty of playful euphoria that's happy watching a movie, but loves dancing too. i'd really like to see that one reach it's full potential as i screwed up what i intended to be a cloning project by scamming my nodes for this awesome 24/7 friendly mellow buzz that's just right. it's a bargain too.

you can't get joey weed beans anymore, but his 45 day C99 was nice! it wasn't really psychoactive, but more clearheaded and euphoric with an extra dose or racy motivation not unlike super racy & euphoric kali mist. i like trippier highs, but his C99 is great for activities and the slightly grape hints are nice too. it's buzz isn't happy chilling out though making it too specific a strain for anything but activities.

serious seeds' ORIGINAL crushed red pepper tasting kali mist was way above awesome even if the new spice hater fruitier version shares the same buzz. an insane can't sit still with as much nearly shroom level euphoria buzz should be expected from a $100+ strain that takes 17 weeks to finish. the original flavor was a favorite. i'd expect the 2.0 to be bland and leaning into fruity haze territory, but it's the speediest strain out there i'd bet and no matter what you're doing, you're grinning & humming.

holy smoke seeds' malawi gold looks promising. it's faster flowering and less of an uppity crossdressing diva than highland thai and i really liked what was hinted at in the early bud i took when it was the hardest hit heat stressed strain. i could see that stuff morphing into a trippy monster once those tops start plumping. i'll be really keen to knock that shit up with JC2 as both strains are trippy & lemony and a perfect match as malawi is the trippy heavyweight in theory while JC2 is the sprinter of the two and trippy enough in it's own right.

the one breeder i have no love at all for personally has to be vancouver island seedbank (or was it really kindseed's fault?) when i got nothing for my $62 worth of burmese but mutant aborts. i've had bad luck with barney & greenhouse, but 1:3 kicks 0:10s ass.

hope this helps you find some gear that's just your style or at the right price or a top choice for fems etc. i really wanted to see who to believe on rokerij reporting. one smoke report really praised their amnesia haze while another report elsewhere implied they were cheap schwag. the biggest insult i can toss at their gear is that "it's merely average in a field of way the fuck better than stone street beasters gear that's more expensive". that's pretty good in my book.
you need to get laid. have you ever been with a woman?
 

Samwell Seed Well

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the guy cant even handle weed . . i doubt he know what to do other than premature ejaculate

id love to know how many guys are on his mute list!he a fuckin tool is what he is!talks a big game,or tries to,but its clear the guy is a total amateur and a bit of a headcase

way to much credit. . .on a scale of 1-10 in skilsl the guy is [0],

absolute zero
 

bluntmassa1

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you want to suck oil for you hellfire cult, that's your biz. it and every goth piece of shit is my enemy.
sure hazey we know you sit around listening to marilyn manson with a bunch of vodoo dolls casting spells and wacking it with gasoline your not known by crazey grapes for nothing. lmao
 

hazey grapes

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you dig this stuff up just to troll, but you know you're jealous that i almost EXCUSIVELY grow the superior strains cash crappers refuse to and get high off almost everything. y'all wouldn't be so annoying if you didn't feel so threatened by me going against your flow and not giving a shit what you and all your butt bretheren think about it. don't listen to MM, don't have or want a car, don't play video gamers, i don't even watch movies anymore. if there's any tunes i DO listen to, they're something like THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gmc6S8Ffws she knows WTF i'm talking about. so trolls, what shit are YOU growing that gets people high losers? oh, you aren't? you come up here and talk all this shit, but ain't one of you toys growing ANYTHING worthwhile. FUCK DIESEL! (the buzz is nice though, but the flavor is an abomination against mother nature) you want to make look bad, then out do me of STFU! show me your fucking haze, thai, mekong, columbian, panama or what the fuck ever that's a better high than the best i know. i know you can't as none of you bitches have anything to say when the tables are turned on you lying sacks of shit. jealous haters... that's all you bitches are. you know MOST people would rather get high than smoke your OG what the fuck ever. if you aren't growing something that gets people high, you ain't shit.
 

hazey grapes

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OW! my retinas are burning! i see an afterimage! LOL as to sativas, yeah, the trippiest ones are still my favorites, but these days i'm liking functional mids too. jack's cleaner 2's a little stony, but visual, euphoric and touchy feely too. CH9 jack is a mildly stony mid i like too. it's just most crap out there is nothing but stony, and even "better than average" gear that adds euphoria like skunk #1, blueberry, and especially delicious sour cream isn't that common in a lot of markets, particularly parts of NY & the boondocks. my issue is with growers that only care about lining their pockets and that get attitude over anyone pointing out their shit sucks like all the haters up in here. they wouldn't be such putzes if they weren't threatened by me. me? i get ENTHUSIASTIC over growers doing even better gear than me like the aussie malawi grower doing it outdoors or the member here that keeps trying to get me to try ace panama, even if i don't like red. there's just some small minded types that can't stand anyone that dares go against the flow and do their own thing. they feel threatened by anything different or that they can't understand. fox news caters exclusively to that moron type, ruled by fear of the unknown, with petulant condescending attitudes when they feel safe or have someone outnumbered. eh,,, fuck it.
 

t0rn

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OW! my retinas are burning! i see an afterimage! LOL as to sativas, yeah, the trippiest ones are still my favorites, but these days i'm liking functional mids too. jack's cleaner 2's a little stony, but visual, euphoric and touchy feely too. CH9 jack is a mildly stony mid i like too. it's just most crap out there is nothing but stony, and even "better than average" gear that adds euphoria like skunk #1, blueberry, and especially delicious sour cream isn't that common in a lot of markets, particularly parts of NY & the boondocks. my issue is with growers that only care about lining their pockets and that get attitude over anyone pointing out their shit sucks like all the haters up in here. they wouldn't be such putzes if they weren't threatened by me. me? i get ENTHUSIASTIC over growers doing even better gear than me like the aussie malawi grower doing it outdoors or the member here that keeps trying to get me to try ace panama, even if i don't like red. there's just some small minded types that can't stand anyone that dares go against the flow and do their own thing. they feel threatened by anything different or that they can't understand. fox news caters exclusively to that moron type, ruled by fear of the unknown, with petulant condescending attitudes when they feel safe or have someone outnumbered. eh,,, fuck it.
You can't even tell he was talking shit to you..
 
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