Johnny Retro
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The subject is about a union bankrupting a company. Which he and I are both talking about. What in the fuck are you talking about? Jesus
Bakers Union Forces Bankruptcy and 18500 Layoffs
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Right, because the people who ruined the company stole all the money from the pensions. If unions had any foresight, they wouldn't of let it happen. But they are no better than the CEO and government that people worship.
Read my post and see. But they won't be as good as fantasy land post.
canndo
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Someone else post this? Is this what I posted myself before I even read the article?
"As if all this were not enough, Hostess Brands management gave themselves several raises, all the while complaining that the workers who actually produced the products that made the firm what money it did earn were grossly overpaid relative to the company’s increasingly dismal financial position."
Oh but it must be all the UNION's fault right? Never bad management, no no, management is always the innocent bystander right?
But then there is this as well, right boys?
"But while Hostess Brands might soon become a forgotten name from the past, it’s unlikely such a fate awaits such signature products as Twinkies. Company executives have already asked for bankruptcy court permission to begin the process of selling off their famed product lines to other companies."
Management mismanaged, dumps the hard working and honest union members, gives themselves raises and then sells and keeps the profit from the twinkie name - but blames unions for the company's demise.
And you righties fall for it, over and over and over again.
Winter Woman
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You said accused by the union. That explains it all. Accused by a UNION? Now that just has to be fact.
Winter Woman
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That won't happen in all likelihood.
Winter Woman
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What's wrong Obamacare not good enough for them?
Shan Caesar
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I guess I'll hit ebay and start slanging bricks of twinkies or better yet, hold off for ten years & double the profits.
Winter Woman
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You are allowed to destroy anything you own. As long as you don't try to collect insurance from it.
Winter Woman
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No that is a man who owns his own business and knows the system.
doublejj
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For several years I worked a job that was non-union. We got treated like sh*t, ripped=off for overtime, no benifits. The Mgt kept saying take a pay cut or they would close up. We'll union stepped-in & arranged a loan so employees could buy the co. Now everyone has benifits, better wages & are UNION STRONG!
Unions are the best thing to happen to America!
Unions are the best thing to happen to America!
droopy107
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I'm sure that most of those people in that union understood that better thanthe rest of us. The no vote was about the workers saying to the upper management that they couldn't just ask the company labor to shoulder all the burden here. Yeah, It's certainly true that a few extra million wasn't going float pension fund, but it sure would have made the statement that they, labor and management, were all working on the same sinking boat together.
Those people understood what a no vote meant to everyone at the company. At some point a person has to say, fuck it, no more and draw the line. I respect that. I personaly think it took courage. There is another recent thread here on RIU asking if anyone has been watching "the men who built America" on the history channel. If you or anyone else reading this thread hasn't seen the series, I suggest checking it out. It's really good. It doesn't matter which side of the debate we are having here in this thread you are on, Capitalist or unionist, There is something for everone and if you give a shit about understanding where the oposing view is coming from, they do a pretty fair job of showing each side in their own light. What the History channel presents isn't just a story on tv, it's the way things were for people on both sides, at that time.
I've never belonged to a union, as a matter of fact, I'm a member of management for my employer. I've worked both sides of this job, as labor and then management. So has my direct superior. It gives one a unique view of the organization. I can tell you this from the perch I sit on, labor needs some kind of pull with upper management. If it isn't there, things get out of ballance after time passes. If my guys have a ligit gripe about something, I'm going to fight my way up the ladder for them, as much as I can. Not every laborer has that available to them, hence the need for unions.
Everyone has a prime example of a worker using the union to fuck over the company in one way or another, but I think it's very fair to say that unions have done as much to shape our working lives as most other things combined and in my opinion that counts more than a few bad apples. Even if you aren't in a union, like me, you owe them a thanks for wages above subsistance, reasonable working conditions and hours and maybe the least underappreciated thing, OSHA.
Allow me this one last paregraph here to point out that most people see OSHA regs as at least somewhat of a pain in the ass, at sometime or another. At one time companys viewed their men as a somewhat disposable cog in the machine. Doing things the safest way possible costs production and that affects the bottom line. Management's job is to look after the bottom line, as it should be, but it's easy to overlook safety, even if unintentional. OSHA regs dictate the minimum requirements that a company needs to meet to be in compliance. There is no legal wiggle room. I once just about saw one of my men be killed in a piece of alarmingly powerful machinery. It would have been a slow and grusome death for him. There were three of us involved and all three of us missed an important safety proceedure, unintentionally. We realized our mistake at the last second and pulled back just in the nic of time. My dude never got a scratch, but I can guaran-goddamn-ty you, it made me understand why OSHA is an important cotribution from the unions. i'm glad I didn't have to watch that man die to get that point.
beardo
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Winter Woman
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Hostess went down because their bread was overpriced and their treats stopped tasting as good as in the past.
doublejj
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Back when I worked at BOEING, we were more affraid of the union steward than the boss! At Boeing the boss didn't write you up, the union did! If your boss had a problem with you he went to the union stewart. If the union stewart had a problem with you, you were F*CKED!
We would screw-off until we saw the "BOEING Aircraft Machinest Union" hat coming! Everybody got busy, even the boss!lolo!
We would screw-off until we saw the "BOEING Aircraft Machinest Union" hat coming! Everybody got busy, even the boss!lolo!
So do I, and also work in a union shop which I refuse to join because they suck. Still has nothing to do with the subject.
and that's all fine if the employees want to STEP UP and buy the company. Otherwise they should either accept their pay or decline if, pretty simple.
But like i said, .I would burn it to the ground. Only thing I would need to make it legal is a fuckin permit to start the fire. Then while I turn around the very next day and create myself a job, all the asshats that tried to take my business away can wake up and wonder who is going to give them a job.
ChesusRice
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They didnt accept their pay decrease or the broken promises from the company. They been negotiating those promises the company made for over a year now. They chose to say fuck it
And you would probably also
and now they are unemployed. Damn.
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