New York Bans Large Sodas

[NoDrama]

Hundreds of billions a year are spent to have us believe in certain ways - and the effects are positive and measurable.

When you stop watching television and stop listening to the radio you would be surprised how much propaganda you were being programmed with every day.

 

[canndo]

yes. a VERY long history

my grandpappy was a moonshiner as was his daddy, and his daddy, and his daddy etc... he brewed beer, made whiskey and yes, he also brewed homemade sodas for the kids.

sasparilla, cherry lime rickey, and blackberry were my favorites.

the first soda pops were made by local proprietors at small delis and malt shops and druggists shops around the nation. these products, (like EVERY PRODUCT KNOWN TO MAN) did not get invented by some nefarious "corporation" for their schemes and evil profits, they were invented, like all inventions by ordinary people who came up with a brilliant idea, or fucked up on the process while trying to make something else.

you demonstrate a FUNDAMENTAL lack of comprehension as to what a corporation is, why they are created, and how they work. despite the extensive marketing campaigns and evil mind control powers that corporations have, i have never been tricked coerced or forced to buy anything except by the government.

i never liked coke, OR pepsi, i once enjoyed mountain dew (before it became sickly sweet and syrupy) but it was never my first choice. in fact i like coffee and tea far more than soda pop except my grandpappy's or my own home brewed stuff, and then only on occasion. my latest batches of orange fizz and root beer will be ready for consumption at my leisure sometime this week, but i may not hit my first bottle for months. its MY CHOICE. some people cant bake bread, i can, so i may buy a nice rye,, or i may make my own sourdough, it depends on my own cost/benefit analysis. some people do not have a yard and thus are not able to grow their own vegetables, so i turn a couple bucks selling my excess vegetables at the farmers market. its commerce. thats why it works. they offer, i choose whether i desire the object enough to pay the price they ask. i cannot manufacture my own bolts and screws (well i COULD but i would have to build a smelter and forge...) so i buy them when i wanna fix my fence. i dont have a tree to cut down and saw into boards either so i MUST buy the wood. see how it works? i trade my sweat, skills and it's proceeds (money) for the things i need that i cannot make or could make but the setup cost would exceed it's utility.

if you are so easily influenced to buy consumer products you dont want or need then might i suggest some therapy, or perhaps some mental conditioning?

the drink i desire is BEER. frosty, cold, and fresh. good thing i made some last month, and i will soon have to brew again.
sometimes i desire coffee, this i must trade for as growing my own coffee tree would be inefficient.
i also like tea, but tea bushes do not thrive in my climate either, so i must trade for that too.
i really like guava juice but i cannot grow a guava tree, so...

when i want strawberries or tomatoes or fresh basil, or thyme, or corn, or bell peppers or scotch bonnet peppers etc etc etc i got that shit on lock. weed too. if i could buy dope for less than it costs me to grow my own, and the quality was the same, and the supply was as steady i would possibly stop growing weed, and just buy it from a respectable grower unfortunately weed is rarely good, and supplies are unstable at the best of times, and the prices are exorbitant, so i grow my own. all in spite of the decades of focus grouping, advertising and propaganda that tells me drugs are bad m'kay...

i guess my mind is just more resiliant than yours. sorry homey. wear a helmet.

Let us start with an observation or two.


Corporations are like the military, they become exponentialy better at what they do over time and they do less and less that does not result in efficiency at what it is they do.


Corporations do not spend money on things that do not in one way or another pay off. Corporations do not spend billions of dollars on marketing, advertising and PR if, by their own metrics those things do not work.

Corporations are still spending those amounts and they see profit from the effort. Their endeavors may not work on you and they may not work on me but they work on enough people such that they have not stopped their campaigns.

A very large part of corporate PR is an effort to get you to think that buying their product is your own, free and uninfluenced choice. It seems to have worked on you Doc

 

[NoDrama]

I have to admit, I wish I was around when Coke Cola first went on the market with cocaine, you know just to try it......

The purity of the cocaine being used was very good from what I hear too. My granny turned 106 last week, she knows all about it. She tells stories that her parents told her.

 

[canndo]

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I have to admit, I wish I was around when Coke Cola first went on the market with cocaine, you know just to try it......

Buy yourself some good blow, put a few milligrams in your cherry diet coke and hook it down - I did, it wasn't all that great actually.

 

[NoDrama]

Companies - "but we are blameless, we only cater do consumer demand, it isn't our fault but your own for wanting such unhealthy things, we have nothing to do with that"

"all we can do is give you what you ask for"

You think business should not cater to demand, but only produce products that make people healthy or are good for them? If they did that the companies would no longer be in business. Restaurants would all close, grocery stores would have a selection of water, 100% lean meats, and produce. And auto manufacturers will stop building cars, cuz they kill and walking is much healthier to boot.

Ice Cream? gone. Plain sugar?

How poor do you want the world to be? You like unemployment around the 99% level don't you?

LOL at you thinking companies shouldn't cater to demands, THAT IS THEIR MAIN DIRECTIVE IN ACCOMPLISHING THE GOAL OF CREATING A PROFIT AND HIRING PEOPLE TO HELP IN THAT ENDEAVOR!!!

You probably think Marx was right and that FDR's bill of rights#2 was magical.

 

[canndo]

When you stop watching television and stop listening to the radio you would be surprised how much propaganda you were being programmed with every day.

Kinda not the point there NoDrama.

 

[NoDrama]

Kinda not the point there NoDrama.

I know what your point was, that the media makes a shit ton o propaganda and you all watch it, hear it and believe it.

 

[canndo]

You think business should not cater to demand, but only produce products that make people healthy or are good for them? If they did that the companies would no longer be in business. Restaurants would all close, grocery stores would have a selection of water, 100% lean meats, and produce. And auto manufacturers will stop building cars, cuz they kill and walking is much healthier to boot.

No I don't think that. What I am saying is that corporations do not necessarily cater do demand, they reconstruct it, they manipulate it. they do not offer what is demanded, what they offer is what is best for their bottom line and substitute that for your demand.


you talk about cars - a lot. I recall that car manufacturers claimed that people would not pay for seat belts and air bags, they would not pay for safer interiors and collapsable steering wheels. It took government action to have those things included and what happened? fewer people died and the corporations claimed it was responsible because of its brilliant engineering.

 

[canndo]

In another thread they are talking about GMOs. If corporations actually catered to the wants of the consumers there would be notification on bags and boxes of food products describing the GMOs within. Yet those selfless, only interested in the consumer and their wants corporations are spending hundreds of thousands to keep such GMO listings off their packages.

 

[Wilksey]

Meanwhile, on the streets....


"Oh you KNOW I'm holdin', watchu need? I got the dew, the doctor, pepsi AND the muthafuckin' C.C. Cola, and I just got in a shipment of some fly ass R to the C cola from down south my brother. I ONLY deal in half gallon MINIMUMS though homie, so whatchu need?"

 

[Grandpapy]

Car manufactures install seat belts because highway workers are tired of scraping victims off the pavement. This saves lives, and the victim if he now lives, buys another car. Good for both not because of the goodness/kindness of their heart. After all they just passed the cost to me and you.

How long was cocaine, heroin, opium on the general market before it was seen to be detrimental to the nation?

 

[cannabineer]

Meanwhile, on the streets....


"Oh you KNOW I'm holdin', watchu need? I got the dew, the doctor, pepsi AND the muthafuckin' C.C. Cola, and I just got in a shipment of some fly ass R to the C cola from down south my brother. I ONLY deal in half gallon MINIMUMS though homie, so whatchu need?"

 

[NoDrama]

Soft drinks started out as Medicine.

 

[NoDrama]

Car manufactures install seat belts because highway workers are tired of scraping victims off the pavement. This saves lives, and the victim if he now lives, buys another car. Good for both not because of the goodness/kindness of their heart. After all they just passed the cost to me and you.

How long was cocaine, heroin, opium on the general market before it was seen to be detrimental to the nation?

5000 years? Do I get a lollipop?

 

[NoDrama]

In another thread they are talking about GMOs. If corporations actually catered to the wants of the consumers there would be notification on bags and boxes of food products describing the GMOs within. Yet those selfless, only interested in the consumer and their wants corporations are spending hundreds of thousands to keep such GMO listings off their packages.

I dunno I kinda like being able to spray a wide variety herbicide called Roundup from my plane and not worry about my corn, but all the damned weeds die and I make alot more money due to increased production. I want even more production though, so if some company invents something that increases efficiency past the break even point, I can make a whole lot more money. Hell I might even borrow half a million from the bank to invest in new equipment to harvest all that corn too. That will boost the economy and provide jobs for a few people. But we can't have that now can we, everyone needs to be equal slaves.

 

[cannabineer]

5000 years? Do I get a lollipop?

Pure or purified cocaine and heroin were creations of the 19th-century chemical industry. cn

 

[NoDrama]

No I don't think that. What I am saying is that corporations do not necessarily cater do demand, they reconstruct it, they manipulate it. they do not offer what is demanded, what they offer is what is best for their bottom line and substitute that for your demand.


you talk about cars - a lot. I recall that car manufacturers claimed that people would not pay for seat belts and air bags, they would not pay for safer interiors and collapsable steering wheels. It took government action to have those things included and what happened? fewer people died and the corporations claimed it was responsible because of its brilliant engineering.

Car manufacturers put seat belts, air bags, crush zones, safe interiors ETC ETC ETC before gvt ever mandated a damned thing. And people payed for it, you never seen a Volvo or something?

People wanted a drink that was tasty, that was the demand, so companies met that demand. No one wanted a "Sprite" cuz they didn't even know what that was.

 

[Grandpapy]

I dunno I kinda like being able to spray a wide variety herbicide called Roundup from my plane and not worry about my corn, but all the damned weeds die and I make alot more money due to increased production. I want even more production though, so if some company invents something that increases efficiency past the break even point, I can make a whole lot more money. Hell I might even borrow half a million from the bank to invest in new equipment to harvest all that corn too. That will boost the economy and provide jobs for a few people. But we can't have that now can we, everyone needs to be equal slaves.

That is wonderful for YOU, but lets say that spray (or treated seed such as Bayer) kills the bees that pollinate the farm next door and everywhere else. You are fine with that.

 

[beenthere]

What these lefties on this forum are saying is, we're to stupid and lazy to think for ourselves, so the gubment will do it for us!

 

[NoDrama]

Pure or purified cocaine and heroin were creations of the 19th-century chemical industry. cn

Totally true, do I still get a lollipop?

I think the Incas chewed the coca leaf with some form of alkali and basically chewed poor mans cocaine for thousands of years. Opium smoking has been going on for some time now But Dicetylmorphine hasn't been around that long, but its based on the same thing opium is.