What's Will All The Religion Hatred?
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Doer
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If you want know about the deep seat of hatred for Western Religion, you have to understand that it is steeped in the rejection of the horrors of Rome.
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I see it all, and in the name of the ruin
it has brought in the Church and
in the world,
in the name of the truth it has denied,
the temple
it has defiled,
the God it has blasphemed,
the
souls it has destroyed;
in the name of the millions it has deluded,
the millions it has slaughtered,
the millions it has damned;
with holy confessors, with noble reformers,
with innumerable martyrs,
with the saints of ages,
I denounce it as "the
masterpiece of Satan",
as the body and soul and essence of
antichrist."
- 1880s, Dr. H. Grattan Guinness
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I see it all, and in the name of the ruin
it has brought in the Church and
in the world,
in the name of the truth it has denied,
the temple
it has defiled,
the God it has blasphemed,
the
souls it has destroyed;
in the name of the millions it has deluded,
the millions it has slaughtered,
the millions it has damned;
with holy confessors, with noble reformers,
with innumerable martyrs,
with the saints of ages,
I denounce it as "the
masterpiece of Satan",
as the body and soul and essence of
antichrist."
- 1880s, Dr. H. Grattan Guinness
trichome fiend
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Hepheastus420
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Actually, I asked that same question yesterday in another thread. Asking that question reminded me of this thread.
Hepheastus420
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And now lets let this thread die. 
ThE sAtIvA hIgH
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bump bump bump bump
Kaendar
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At the end of the day lets leave it at people that believe in god dont need scientific evidence, we have proof, and even when it seems like god isnt there, we still have faith. Atheists need to respect that. Respect faith. If you dont have any thats fine but leave other people alone. And there is plenty of credible evidence that bigfoot exists.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I'm sorry, Kaendar, but if only you'd omitted the last sentence. ~wipes tear from eye~ I so wish you could have met Finshaggy. cn
Padawanbater2
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What is respectable about faith?
Cut.Throat.
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Primitive man found himself in a dangerous and hostile world, the fear of wild animals, of not being able to find enough food, of injury or disease, and of natural phenomena like thunder, lightning and volcanoes was constantly with him. Finding no security, he created the idea of gods in order to give him comfort in good times, courage in times of danger and consolation when things went wrong. To this day, you will notice that people become more religious at times of crises, you will hear them say that the belief in a god or gods gives them the strength they need to deal with life. You will hear them explain that they believe in a particular god because they prayed in time of need and their prayer was answered. All this seems to support the Buddha’s teaching that the god-idea is a response to fear and frustration. The Buddha taught us to try to understand our fears, to lessen our desires and to calmly and courageously accept the things we cannot change. He replaced fear, not with irrational belief but with rational understanding.
The second reason the Buddha did not believe in a god is because there does not seem to be any evidence to support this idea. There are numerous religions, all claiming that they alone have god’s words preserved in their holy book, that they alone understand god’s nature, that their god exists and that the gods of other religions do not. Some claim that god is masculine, some that she is feminine and others that it is neuter. They are all satisfied that there is ample evidence to prove the existence of their god but they laugh in disbelief at the evidence other religions use to prove the existence of another god. It is not surprising that with so many different religions spending so many centuries trying to prove the existence of their gods that still no real, concrete, substantial or irrefutable evidence has been found. Buddhists suspend judgement until such evidence is forthcoming.
The third reason the Buddha did not believe in a god is that the belief is not necessary. Some claim that the belief in a god is necessary in order to explain the origin on the universe. But this is not so. Science has very convincingly explained how the universe came into being without having to introduce the god-idea. Some claim that belief in god is necessary to have a happy, meaningful life. Again we can see that this is not so. There are millions of atheists and free-thinkers, not to mention many Buddhists, who live useful, happy and meaningful lives without belief in a god. Some claim that belief in god’s power is necessary because humans, being weak, do not have the strength to help themselves. Once again, the evidence indicates the opposite. One often hears of people who have overcome great disabilities and handicaps, enormous odds and difficulties, through their own inner resources, through their own efforts and without belief in a god. Some claim that god is necessary in order to give man salvation. But this argument only holds good if you accept the theological concept of salvation and Buddhists do not accept such a concept. Based on his own experience, the Buddha saw that each human being had the capacity to purify the mind, develop infinite love and compassion and perfect understanding. He shifted attention from the heavens to the heart and encouraged us to find solutions to our problems through self-understanding.
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Kaendar
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Im dead serious. I believe that there are plenty of species that have not been officially recognized by science. Bigfoot is one of them.
Kaendar
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It doesnt matter what YOU think is respectable, its about having respect for another man and how he wants to live. If you have no faith thats not our problem, so respect the ppl that do. Its that simple. When we die one of us is gonna be wrong and one of us is gonna be right.. until then you should stop waisting your time trying to convince people that their beliefs are wrong. Its like trying to convince someone their name isnt their real name.
Heisenberg
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It's fine to believe something on faith IF you understand what that means. It means you are not allowed to debate your idea, because you can not support it. It means you are not allowed to use your ideas to influence any sort of social or public policy, because you have no justification. You can not expect your faith to have value to anyone but yourself. You have the right to express, explain and celebrate your belief and then sit down and be quiet because your idea amounts to wild speculation. Speculation is not afforded certitude. When the idea of God acquires more support than the idea of leprechauns or the tooth fairy, you might then have something more to say. Until then, you have the right to your personal faith, but not respect.
Hepheastus420
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I used to think that ^^..
Later on I found out I was trying to say "respect the believer" and not "respect faith".
Faith deserves no respect. But we should respect the believer as a person. Pad does respect believers (he showed respect to me when I had a religion). He doesn't respect faith though. Why should he?
Zaehet Strife
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hehehehe!!!
Doer
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They are re-wrting this religion, like all others. Buddha had to get permission from Vishnu. Vishnu in his elephant manifestation lay with Buddha mom,
in a dream. Buddha is the son of God. That what the older stories say. Now it better to preach re-incarnation, but in the 11 Century, the Reposete wrote, sadly, in the Maya/Illusion of "existance" even re-incarnation is impossible.
In the West we tend to idolize the Dala Lama and all that, but, I see it as a backwards religion like all of them are. They all start with a man and good intentions. But, then later, the followers need the God card. BTW cultures that are Buddhists have a very un-helpful view of the afflicted and the un-fortunate. They chastise them for guilt, but heep guilt upon them in this life for past lives.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
What would lead you to believe in Bigfoot? All I've seen/heard is ... testimony, and you already know my opinion of that. No physical evidence of any sort afaik, not even a bone, or any other source of biochemical markers. cn
mindphuk
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Nothing inherently deserves respect. Respect, by definition is based on certain qualities and some qualities are not deserving of respect. It seems your position is to respect everything, regardless of what it is. We should respect ignorance and stupidity, we should respect violence and injustice, we should respect hatred and bigotry.
mindphuk
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An actual bigfoot would seriously undermine the idea of human evolution. As far as we know, hominids are the only species that evolved the capability to walk upright. If we find more primates that walk upright, that's one thing, finding them on the North American continent would be incredible.
Doer
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Indeed, and I don't believe we should be forced into this double-think about respect. It's part of the tyranny of opinion, to me. I don't have to have an opinion or take a stance to have a discussion and I don't have to respect the stance or opinion, belief, etc of others. We just try not to be rude to each, and succeed, more or less. We have lost the meaning of respect. It's not a gang thing. That thing is about dis-respect actually and all it's subtle rules.
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Yet, to preach Fear is to command hatred. That's my main beef with Religion.
Respect is earned, never demanded.
Yet, to preach Fear is to command hatred. That's my main beef with Religion.