The UK Growers Thread!
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unlucky
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No. Depending on the shape of the plant you CAN get multiple buds the size of the main one (according to the genetic potential of the plant of course),that's the whole point.
This is a perfect example of apical dominance and IAA distibution (my old Skunk #1).
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If I remove the apical tip in section A then the majority of IAA production will be distributed across the tips in section B, making those buds just as big as the main one in section A had it not been removed. Then the buds further down the rest of the plant will grow to the relevant size,if I make the plant completely flat like in SCROG then IAA is evenly distributed throughout ALL tips producing buds as big as the main one according to the amount of light used and the genetic potential of the plant.
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It's misconception that SCROG works because of even light spread and is the biggest forum myth ever!
Biologists have known about the role of auxins since the 30's and I still don't understand why people on forums still regurgitate the same old crap over and over,it doesn't help anybody learn.
The definitive work on plant hormones if anybody cares to study it.
http://archive.org/stream/phytohormones00went#page/n5/mode/2up
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some of my thc bomb are starting to look like this but with a bigger cola.................. oh happy days
PUKKA BUD
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haha educate your selfs dont talk wet lad go on uncle b's toppin thread an post "if i top above the 2nd node say the 10th ill end up with 20 colas the same size as the main cola right?" an see how many experinced growers say your wrong they get smaller once you go over 4 colas i proved it to myself also with the SLH once you go over on youve got loads of colas yes they all think there the main cola but never get as big cos all energy is more spead out like i said every fucker would do it its a no brainer.
ps ill bet you owt you want that every cola on them of yours dont end up as fat the main would have an you end up with popcorn low down unless you go vertical.
newuserlol
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u are a lairy fucker after a few drinks hay chedz, i no pot kettle black n all that lol
and whats all this i keep reading bout you smoking? thought u gave up years ago m8?
PUKKA BUD
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Yorky go on uncle bens thread that uni bollox info you posted has been pasted an requoted many a times on therr every fucka knows it but every1 on there knows its bollox cos hundreds of growers have tried it. as soon as you start to toppin over 2nd node colas start gettin slighty smaller till your at like a good side cola size if mr proffrsser is right then every fucka would grow big plants 20 nodes snip top an get 40 colas the same as the main cola would have been, with no matter about light? wed all be swimmin in bud.
mad dog bark
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weed man haha
DST
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Seems like a bit of confusion, topping, supercropping, lst, its basically all the same thing, and I have to agree with Yorkie, it's about how plants distribute auxins. Auxins are the building blocks of how the plants architecture is developed. Apical Dominance means that auxins are distrubited from the top of the plant downwards. When you manipulate gravity by supercropping, or topping, or lst'ing, all you are doing is making the plant change the apical dominance. A scrog probably works best as this will put a level playing field to all tips. Apical dominance from what I have seen running vertical scrogs, doesn't really work like a normal scrog. You are better creating multipple growing tips. Just my 2 cents.
PUKKA BUD
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Yeh thats all true not sayin the science is wrong or tryin to argue all im sayin is you never end up with loads of colas same as 1 main cola if you have loads there aways smaller lst, scrog or normal ive lst'd last grow got my best yield of from the livers with it so im doin again on my next run but like i say buds was no where near as big as when the standed 1main cola livers i did. lol all my point is...there never all the same size of main cola, thats it every thing else i know is right.
brewing up
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literally, ''here here''
unlucky
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and there there
DST
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I also agree with that PB, probably because you grew in the same size pot and medium with same genetics, just grew the slightly differently. I ran a side by side with two headband clones, they where bang on identical, both went into the same size pots of 4 litres, got everything the same, except one was topped. Both produced bang on 33 grams. 1 big cola, 2 medium sized colas, Simple experiment but pretty much agrees with what you are saying.
Now if you increase the veg period, increase the size of the medium you grow in, then the fruit is larger all round. One of the lads posted a great video if a radio chat with a guy about growing monster vegetables. Pretty basic principles but it's all about feeding the medium, to feed the roots. Allwoing the roots to constantly grow.
With indoor growing I think manipulation of canopy surface is also important, or maximising of the canopy area within your set up is important. Again, just my twee cents.
Now if you increase the veg period, increase the size of the medium you grow in, then the fruit is larger all round. One of the lads posted a great video if a radio chat with a guy about growing monster vegetables. Pretty basic principles but it's all about feeding the medium, to feed the roots. Allwoing the roots to constantly grow.
With indoor growing I think manipulation of canopy surface is also important, or maximising of the canopy area within your set up is important. Again, just my twee cents.
brewing up
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- literally, ''here here''
and there there
n everywhere
mrt1980
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have you read all the books so far mate? i thought the books where much better but i downloaded the audiobook. roy dotrice reads most of them and he does different voices for the charectors
cheddar1985
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So your wrong then lmfao look back at wot yorkie was tryin to say lmao we now how auxins and the apical work theres no arguement there our arguement was him tryin to say that by toppin at which ever node your gonna end up with the same size cola as u would av before u topped the apical shoot lmao stop tryin to fragile our brain d lmao and yes i av had another slh joint haha
PUKKA BUD
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I agree mate the best ill do in my space yield wise i think is if i do a scrog or lst all of my plants only did on my livers messin about. an the 1st slh i did got a 9 day veg an grew huge with 1 big main cola an tidy side colas got 4oz from it so next run chucked a 7week slh that was topped to 6 colas then never grew as big an ended up with 4 oz same lol
i wernt tryin to dis yorky hes gunna have a tidy yield an some huge buds up top spec if hr does the vertical light thing just sayin each cola aint guna be as big. i think the top will be huge under the 1000w an they go down in size as they drop hes gunna yield big the no Q of that.