trayvan martin

[Hemlock]

To Uncle Buck

Son, we live in a world with walls that must be guarded. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Uncle Buck? I have more responsibility than you can fathom. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! But deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, - - you want me on that wall
you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, loyalty. They're the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline! I have neither the time or inclination to explain myself -

to a man who rises and sleeps under the very blanket of freedom of which I provide

And then questions the manner in which I provide it

I'd rather you just said thank you Uncle Buck and went on your way. You don't know what I know.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

the glove doesnt fit . .. . does he must not have meant it . . . ?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

To Uncle Buck

Son, we live in a world with walls that must be guarded. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Uncle Buck? I have more responsibility than you can fathom. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! But deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, - - you want me on that wall
you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, loyalty. They're the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline! I have neither the time or inclination to explain myself -

to a man who rises and sleeps under the very blanket of freedom of which I provide

And then questions the manner in which I provide it

I'd rather you just said thank you Uncle Buck and went on your way. You don't know what I know.

i dont get it . . .. . your jack nicholson .. . . .. or . .. . a shady government stooge? why would you choose to be that character and buck would be tom . . . criuse / a defense lawyer?

i need to get some coffee i think??

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Enough with the back and forth on service and all that, plenty enough said on both sides. Can we get back to the actual subject of the thread? Please?

 

[desert dude]

Enough with the back and forth on service and all that, plenty enough said on both sides. Can we get back to the actual subject of the thread? Please?

What a terrific idea!

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

it was just a joke . . .. . . .

this is going to be a long and painfull process much like the OJ or rodney king trial . . . . .and not because of anything other than the media and people getting out of hand

So no thoughts on the direct/indirect neglegence . . . . . . on Mr.Z's part for profiling and pursuing . .Martin? leading to a confrontaiton and martins murder/death?

 

[cliffey501]

it was just a joke . . .. . . .

this is going to be a long and painfull process much like the OJ or rodney king trial . . . . .and not because of anything other than the media and people getting out of hand

So no thoughts on the direct/indirect neglegence . . . . . . on Mr.Z's part for profiling and pursuing . .Martin? leading to a confrontaiton and martins murder/death?

Trayvon should have just went home.He had lots of time to get there.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

he wasnt on his way home . . . .?

isnt there a diagram of the layout of the apartments that show where their homes are and martin was close to his home i thought and was walking home when he was followed from the store? is not taking the most direct route home a admission of guilt and deserving of a confrontation? with less then credible authority figures?

he definetly going to plee i think to a lesser charge . .the fight matters notta when the whole situation would not have happened if he had kept his distance and let the officers do there job . . . . . dont you think that his death should by all rights been avoided . . .and if any decision to engage the situation should be looked at and judged for morality/premeditation?

i mean the only thing people can come up with that martin did wrong was he may have confronted zimmerman after zimmerman got near martin, and may have attacked him the whole martins gf hear Z ask maritn what are you doing here could be BS, does zimmerman confirm that he asked martin what he was doing in the area?

and a fight id no reason to shoot someone, and that image of his head is only proof that Zimmerman is a human and that he was bleeding after there scuffle that everyone agrees happened? not very much blood

and the injuries i have seen from someones head being smashed into concrete looked and were much worse and dude was fine, he beat up the dudes who jumped him and split his skull . .. . . . still alive

 

[desert dude]

Okay, so now we have a new piece of evidence that makes another 50 plus pages of this thread obsolete. I think we're up to about 300+ pages of the arguments by those who have already found him guilty to be contradicted by new evidence.

It looks like there are at least two wounds that blood is coming from, suggesting multiple impacts, almost like someone was repeatedly hitting his head against something hard.

It still doesn't mean he didn't attack Trayvon first, but does give more credence to Zimmerman's account. I hate to say I told you so, but...

Personal feelings of conviction chances, 40/60 and dropping. Chance of murder 2 conviction, zero.

The things is, this is not new evidence even to the general public. The police report lists Zimmerman's injuries. This is just the first photograph that shows the head injury, I am sure there will be more. Now those claiming the police report is just a pack of lies will have to resort to saying, "I have cut myself worse shaving... That sure doesn't look life threatening to me... If Z had stayed in his truck he would not have been assaulted...".

 

[cliffey501]

he wasnt on his way home . . . .?

isnt there a diagram of the layout of the apartments that show where their homes are and martin was close to his home i thought and was walking home when he was followed from the store? is not taking the most direct route home a admission of guilt and deserving of a confrontation? with less then credible authority figures?

he definetly going to plee i think to a lesser charge . .the fight matters notta when the whole situation would not have happened if he had kept his distance and let the officers do there job . . . . . dont you think that his death should by all rights been avoided . . .and if any decision to engage the situation should be looked at and judged for morality/premeditation?

i mean the only thing people can come up with that martin did wrong was he may have confronted zimmerman after zimmerman got near martin, and may have attacked him the whole martins gf hear Z ask maritn what are you doing here could be BS, does zimmerman confirm that he asked martin what he was doing in the area?

and a fight id no reason to shoot someone, and that image of his head is only proof that Zimmerman is a human and that he was bleeding after there scuffle that everyone agrees happened? not very much blood

and the injuries i have seen from someones head being smashed into concrete looked and were much worse and dude was fine, he beat up the dudes who jumped him and split his skull . .. . . . still alive

Zimmerman was not near Martin. He says in the 911 call that he lost him and that trayvon ran.Trayvon had plenty of time to get home.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

doesnt it show intent and context or frame of mind when someone actively chooses to engage a possibly dangerous and voilitile situation . . . . . . and said person also has a history of violence and inability to make rational descisions when angered/anxious or threatened?

how do these not matter?

 

[wyteberrywidow]

So he deserves to be shot because he didn't go home when being followed by a stranger?

I would've have confronted him too and if I would have smashed his head he would have left in a ambulance not been able to shoot me in my chest!

 

[cliffey501]

So he deserves to be shot because he didn't go home when being followed by a stranger?

I would've have confronted him too and if I would have smashed his head he would have left in a ambulance not been able to shoot me in my chest!

He wasn't followed zimmerman's truck was parked.

 

[desert dude]

So he deserves to be shot because he didn't go home when being followed by a stranger?

I would've have confronted him too and if I would have smashed his head he would have left in a ambulance not been able to shoot me in my chest!

That is apparently what Trayvon thought on that night as well. It probably would not have worked out very well for you either.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

it was never Z's job or responsibility to follow martin

he choose to engage the situation, by pursuing martin into the complex after he lost sight of him

if anything martin tried to get away from the man by running and still heading inteh direction of his
destination .. . i dont see how its relevent why or how long it took him to get to the spot where he was shot

 

[really comfy slippers]

He wasn't followed zimmerman's truck was parked.

He was followed by zimmerz eyes and mind...

 

[cliffey501]

it was never Z's job or responsibility to follow martin

he choose to engage the situation, by pursuing martin into the complex after he lost sight of him

if anything martin tried to get away from the man by running and still heading inteh direction of his
destination .. . i dont see how its relevent why or how long it took him to get to the spot where he was shot

If he were headed in the direction of his destination he would have got there.

0:15 – The best address I can give you is the clubhouse. [A]
0:45 – He’s just staring at the houses. Now he’s staring at me.
1:00 – He’s coming towards me.
1:20 – He’s coming to check me out.
2:08 – Shit, he’s running.
2:14 – Sound of truck door being closed. [C]
2:20 – He’s heading towards the back entrance. [referring to E]
2:25 – Are you following him? Yep.
2:45 – He ran… Zimmerman stops and completes the 911 call. [E]
4:05 – Call ends.
Here’s an estimate of Trayvon’s route back to Brandy Green’s townhouse with 911 call times included:


At a slow jogging pace, Trayvon is estimated to have arrived back at Brandy Green’s townhouse at around 2:40 on the 911 call.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

doesnt the order of events show that zimmerman folowed martin?

and could have chosen not too . . . . .is martin subject to zimmermans will?

and it seem that all accounts of what happened showed martin was aware of zimmerman following/or watching him . . . . .is martin not allowed to try and leave the situation without being accused of some kind of crime????


im confused seems martin did his best to get away from the situation and zimmerman did his best to make sure it happened?

and that means nothing because zimmerman cant fight?

 

[cliffey501]

doesnt the order of events show that zimmerman folowed martin?

and could have chosen not too . . . . .is martin subject to zimmermans will?

and it seem that all accounts of what happened showed martin was aware of zimmerman following/or watching him . . . . .is martin not allowed to try and leave the situation without being accused of some kind of crime????


im confused seems martin did his best to get away from the situation and zimmerman did his best to make sure it happened?

and that means nothing because zimmerman cant fight?

He had 4 minutes to go like 100 ft.why didn't he go home.He should have been home before the 911 call even ended.Its not like zimmy blocked his path.Zimmey went east trayvon should have went south and into his house.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

its longer then a hundred feet and he could have been hiding from zimmerman . . would some stranger following you and checking you out make you wary?