Hydroponic vs Soil

[laserbrn]

The fact of the matter is Hydro grows the plant bigger, faster. Bigger, Faster is the definition of a better yield. How would you define a better yield? If I use a 250watt light and I have 4 months to grow I will yield more from a hydro setup than soil.

The bigger the plant the more the bud. Hydro grows plants bigger.

 

[stickyhits]

I just grew my first grow in soil at the same time as my buddy did his in Hydro with the SAME clones! His yield was 4 times mine and I vegged 3 weeks longer. He did use a more powerful light, but the difference was freaking ridiculous. I setup hydro for my next grow (which I just started yesterday) and I expect great things. I spent the money on all the meters and all the right equipment and I know I'll get good results. Soil invites pests, it's messy, if you screw it up your plants won't die, they just stunt like crazy and it's hard to flush and correct the issues.

Transplants are a pain in the ass, pots take up a lot of space, there's just so many reasons that you can get bigger yields faster if hydro is done right. In my space I can get 8 plants in hydro or like 4 in pots large enough to grow them with good root space.

To say that the yield isn't increased is just foolish. It's obvious that plants that grow bigger produce more bud. I can get my plants ready for flower in 4 weeks flower for 8 and be done and get 8 ounces from my 8 plants.

In order to get an ounce a plant in the same space (relatively small) I would have to try to use 4 plants in soil (pots would have to be big) and try to LST or top them and get them to really branch out. Could be veggin' them for 8-12 weeks. Extra month or two just to get comparable results.

You must of made horrible mistakes to yeild so horrible to veg way longer and any grower knows stronger light equals better yeild and what happens if a something goes wrong in hydro it dont stunt or get messed up?whats so hard about transplantings?lots of people just complain over laziness but it takes 3 minutes tops to do

 

[stickyhits]

if U grow in bags what medium would U use? soil? soil-less? rocks/pebbles? what could you use in them?

I use soil in grow bags check out my newest grow in my signature

 

[laserbrn]

I didn't do anything horribly wrong. Neither did he. His yield was greater because his plants were probably 50% larger than mine when he went into 12/12. Plants tripled in size, his finished about 150% larger than mine.

I can't believe that you are really giving the argument that Hydro systems shouldn't yield more than soil in the same time frame. It's not an obscure fact by any means.

You guys are just playing devils advocate I suspect or you don't have the money to spend on doing Hydro correctly and want to convince yourselves that you are in some way doing what is better.

Hydro doesn't yield more than soil is really the stance that you want to take in this debate? It doesn't make sense to defend that position, it's like saying the world is flat...The Flat Earth Society. Go join the crazy's.

 

[stickyhits]

I didn't do anything horribly wrong. Neither did he. His yield was greater because his plants were probably 50% larger than mine when he went into 12/12. Plants tripled in size, his finished about 150% larger than mine.

I can't believe that you are really giving the argument that Hydro systems shouldn't yield more than soil in the same time frame. It's not an obscure fact by any means.

You guys are just playing devils advocate I suspect or you don't have the money to spend on doing Hydro correctly and want to convince yourselves that you are in some way doing what is better.

Hydro doesn't yield more than soil is really the stance that you want to take in this debate? It doesn't make sense to defend that position, it's like saying the world is flat...The Flat Earth Society. Go join the crazy's.

It's obvious you cant grow if he's are 150% bigger then your plants you probably could grow a plant in dog shit with better results then you had sure you can compare two normal people fighting and one knocking the other out but go put him in with the champ see the comparison now?And you stated he had a stronger light thats like me bragging I out yeilded this guy with my 1000w and he used a 400w I used C02 he didnt I had good soil he used dirt from his back yard I had an air cooled setup he had his room in the high 80's anything could look great depending on what you compare it to so compare a perfect hydro to a perfect soil grow and show me the hydro is way better I highly doubt it being a big difference

 

[Natanis]

Laserbrn is right. I've done it both ways, and both have advantages BUT hydro is the way to grow and have complete control over the results. I can grow them large or small, fast or slow...

 

[stickyhits]

Laserbrn is right. I've done it both ways, and both have advantages BUT hydro is the way to grow and have complete control over the results. I can grow them large or small, fast or slow...

you dont have complete control over either kind of grow what if you have bad ph or a toxic salt build up a power outage or any other problem to say you have complete control is foolish

 

[VictorVIcious]

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bust his ass when he hops either. None of those problems you mention are eliminated by using soil. Soo... do you have a point to bringing them up. VV

 

[fdd2blk]

if pot were meant to grow in water it would be called "water lily". get in there and get your hands dirty. it won't hurt you.


DIRT
SPRINKLE OF GUANO
WATER
DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE

 

[laserbrn]

I don't understand what you don't get about hydro beating out soil. Everyone I know that has grown in both would never go back to soil. What do you mean if your ph is off or the power goes out? The PH isn't off, the PPM isn't off, the nutrients are right, because they are accurately measured, the EC isn't off. That's WHY hydro is better. More Oxygen for the roots and more efficient and accurate delivery of nutrients and water (Ph isn't off).

The power outage problem is ridiculously easily solved if you are refering to the pumps not working on the timer. Rockwool holds enough moisture for the plants for longer than it takes for me to notice my power isn't on. Hand water the plants, wait, lights on...yeah! I don't live in the sticks so my power is never off for days at a time.

These pictures are taken of plants in a 2x2 tray in 3x3 shed grown in hydro...400w HPS

Not mine...but you get the point...you need more space and more time to get anywhere near the yield.

 

[fdd2blk]

the true test comes in the finished product. i think a hydro grower already said soil has better flavor when smoked. i could care less how it's grown but i want smooth, sweet, pleasant smoke. i find soil offers more of this.

 

[laserbrn]

To tell you the truth, I've been so stoned through most of this debate that I forgot what the fuck we were even talking about. Especially right now...holy fuck I'm ripped...anyway, If you prefer the taste that's certainly one thing, but arguing that the yield is equal is another. I can definitely taste the difference between indoor, outdoor, and hydro systems, but I personally think they can all be great. If you prefer the taste of soil bud that's a legit reason to grow in that fashion.

 

[fdd2blk]

To tell you the truth, I've been so stoned through most of this debate that I forgot what the fuck we were even talking about. Especially right now...holy fuck I'm ripped...anyway, If you prefer the taste that's certainly one thing, but arguing that the yield is equal is another. I can definitely taste the difference between indoor, outdoor, and hydro systems, but I personally think they can all be great. If you prefer the taste of soil bud that's a legit reason to grow in that fashion.

we were talking about how you are getting ready to switch to soil.

 

[laserbrn]

There you have it... my thought on soild vs hydroponics, hydroponics will give you a better growth rate but I do not believe it will give you better yields.

Oh yeah, this statement is why I was arguing about yields...

Yup, better yield with hydro...

 

[stickyhits]

If a bullfrog had wings he wouldn't bust his ass when he hops either. None of those problems you mention are eliminated by using soil. Soo... do you have a point to bringing them up. VV

You talk hydro up like its untouchable but nothing in your gallery is very impresive

 

[uhthomas]

this is why i LOVE hydro...

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/15070-og-kush-grow-ebb-flow.html

YOU crontrol feeding and the plants growth...

 

[FLoJo]

I will have to go with the general consensus here..

Having grown both in soil and hydro my experience is that actually when you learn your system and get everything working accordingly hydro is actually much easier to use with soil... basically the only thing i do once i start flowering is go in once a week and change the water... I could leave for a week and not really worry about anything. I have grown with hydro for about three years and only ran into problems my first two cycles when i was tuning it and getting used to its nuances.

with soil yes I will agree that the finished product has a more earthy and smooth taste however if you flush your hydro system with water for the last week and add a few things such as sweet and certain organic bloom boosters you can have a not so chemically more smooth tasting nugget.

my problem with soil grows were they were messy, less conspicuous (constantly bringing bags of soil into an apartment lol) and like said earlier yes it is easier to catch problems and you have more cush time but on the same token it takes longer to fix problems and can lead to stunting and irreversible issues. Also i seemed to have more problems with bugs and other biological hazards.

this issue has been constantly debated and fought over and the facts are undeniable. hydro grows bigger faster, soil has better flavor and is somewhat more forgiving. but in the end some people prefer technology and some people prefer having a green thumb and doing its gods way. to each his own just be glad that you have the opportunity to marvel in this wonderful experience of life and this beautiful hobby we call growing!!

peace, love, and shut the f%#k up LOL

FLoJo

 

[1freezy]

I think Hydro is better but I veged 9 clones for about 10 days and flowered them with a shit load of light for another 67 days an got a little over a solid Lb an a half! It was some very nice Amreican Dream crossed with Shishka Berry so I was told. The shit really gave me the giggles! Anyhow I use each now to do little experiments for my own curiosity but in my non expert opinion (if you got the right equipment and learn how it works your results will be amazing!)

 

[thebigak]

pointless argument the good soil growers no wat they can achive

 

[thebigak]

but in the end some people prefer technology, technology has not stood still for soil growers theirs new soil mixes nuets every time i go hydro shop theirs new stuff for us soil growers, have seen hybrid systems for soil growers based on hydro setups when i went amsterdam , we should'nt be knocking each other for our choices of growing