best breeder for an AK strain
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resinousflowers
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pyramid seeds tutankhamon is a very good ak strain.
MrDank007
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Um, just keep your veg cycle short. May take 2 weeks extra. Get the real deal from serious if it's in stock. Just finished mine.
nattybongo
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I've read going 12/12 from seeds is supposed to be good. But if ur hell bent on autos, go with a good breeder such as Sweet Seeds. They got alot of cool stuff and i'm impressed with their Black Jack and Cream Caramel so far at day 31.
bcguy01
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any picks of them I want at least 2 ozs per plant
crazyhazey
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bigv knows his shit, serious has the best ak strain out there, get chronic while your ordering, you wont regret it.
crazyhazey
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i always felt like an auto could produce more since they have more light time, but the only auto breeder who really has the auto gene down is stitch. i have seen the lowlife ak but lowlife has been getting bad reviews lately, i did hear this is one of the best producing autos although.The only real auto ak47 is the joint dr one,it maintains the growth pattern/scent and taste if the ak47,still as is said in here,you would be better off getting the real seeds and doing it 12/12 from seed,will only take 11 weeks instead of 9 and will be proper ak47
dankerous
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Joint dr actually bred lowryder, lowryder is what every one else has used in their crosses, so if you are getting an autoflowering ak47,joint drs is the most stable, the only people that havent just hacked lowryder are big buddha and dna genetics,and to be fair from 12/12 you would yield about the same,but the original ak47 is going to be better than one mixed with auto genetics
racerboy71
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i've heard that pretty much no auto finishes in 8 or 9 weeks from seeds... i have often wondered how it's possible for an auto to flower so fast when they don't even start to flower till about 4 weeks or so out from seed germ, which would only leave about 4 or 5 weeks for flowering to happen...
that's cuz it's not true, and they still take a good 8 or 9 weeks from the start of flower, which is usually around the 3 to 4 week mark, which would make the complete seed to weed time around 11 / 12 weeks.. may as well go with the regular photoperiod plants imo..
that's cuz it's not true, and they still take a good 8 or 9 weeks from the start of flower, which is usually around the 3 to 4 week mark, which would make the complete seed to weed time around 11 / 12 weeks.. may as well go with the regular photoperiod plants imo..
crazyhazey
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yeah almost all autos have a lowryder parent, never really looked into joint doctor although. most of the strains from short stuff are pretty potent for autos as well, i plan on breeding MI5 and see how potent they can get through inbred crosses and a specific selection of parents.
and yes, but you must remember autoflowering is just a gene and if backcrossed then inbred for a few generations for a high ratio of auto offspring you could selectively breed only the ones that flower under 18/6 or 24/0, with this selective breeding and backcrossing with the original AK you could have a plant that carries the auto genetic but keeps the potency of AK47. not all autos are the same as well, some may take up to 11 weeks and if bred accordingly and backcrossed enough, i think the advantage of 18/6 would be apparent, or even better if they grew under 24/0.
thats a 50% more time to photosynthesize in 24/0, and 33% more in 18/6, i think were missing a big advantage here.
crazyhazey
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and im with you on that one, seedbanks usually say their strains are ready a week or two before the buds are truly, cant call them wrong although, everyone has an opinion of when you should harvest.i've heard that pretty much no auto finishes in 8 or 9 weeks from seeds... i have often wondered how it's possible for an auto to flower so fast when they don't even start to flower till about 4 weeks or so out from seed germ, which would only leave about 4 or 5 weeks for flowering to happen...
that's cuz it's not true, and they still take a good 8 or 9 weeks from the start of flower, which is usually around the 3 to 4 week mark, which would make the complete seed to weed time around 11 / 12 weeks.. may as well go with the regular photoperiod plants imo..
dankerous
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Ok,well I have tried autos auto and have done some by short stuff/sweet seeds,big buddha and joint dr,they arent worth wasting the extra light on,you see my avatar,that was done under 12/12 from seed with a 125 watt cfl,in a 1 liter pot,I got roughly 21 grams, if you consider that casey jones is meant to only do 14g/19g per a plant in a sea of green under a 600 watt hps,you will see what I am saying,autos are pointless, oh and that was 11 weeks from seed to finish for the most potent buds I have smoked in a long time
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crazyhazey
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they dont have much time to build root mass, so you need to feed them as much microbes as you can and make every single day count. 3-5 gallons are also suggested for these or else they wont yield so great, also i grow outdoors and you can get some pretty nice yields. and ive seen some insane yielding autos in hydro, if they were in a hydro SOG system, i think you would be pretty pleased with your yields.
once i do some autos, im gonna try auto assassin, MI5, as well as onyx. MI5 finishes at more than a foot and onyx and auto assassin finish at around 2 feet, ill tell you which i find to be the best as far as yield and potency goes, MI5 gets much appraise as well as the auto assassin.
and autos arent pointless, they give you the option to have a veg room that can operate as a flower room as well, the auto gene offers so much but it hasn't been bred to perfection yet and its potency could be improved, all we need to do is try to breed a plant away from its ruderalis characteristic, much like you can take an indica but with enough backcrossing and plenty of generations, you could turn it into a heavy sativa.
try some better yielding autos, maybe one that reaches 2 ft like onyx from short seeds. i guarantee you all seedbanks are currently working on perfecting an auto strain, they've become huge in the growing world because people know the advantage of being able to flower under any light time as well as know that within a few months the plant will be finished. outdoor grower see autos as a new frontier, being able to flower in the summer time has long been a dream for outdoor growers.
dankerous
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Seriously man,look for the 12/12 thread, dell boy is pulling like 2 oz a plant from 12/12, there is no point in autos,they are a gimmick for seed cos to make money off of people that buy into the idea,you can have a perpetual grow at 12/12 and pull the same if not more of better quality and save on energy, the best use for autos is out doors in spain etc, but inside in a controlled environment they are pretty pointless,they are all about making you go back to the seed company to buy more seeds more than anything,as you cant reveg/clone and most are now fem to stop you breeding too,.If you have a veg room make use of it,get a few bonsai mums on the go and get a cloning regime on the go that means you are harvesting every 8 weeks,thats just my opinion though
dankerous
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I have done,onyx,himilayan blue diesel,big buddha auto/super auto sativa also,and diesel ryder,and fast bud,and royal dwarf,in the same conditions as the chemmy jones but on 20/4 rather than 12/12 like the chemmy most of them yielded upto 7 grams less,the fast bud being the worst,and none of them touched the chemmy jones for potency or taste
crazyhazey
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i see your point, 12/12 from seed works great with the right strains but in a producing sense, think about this...Seriously man,look for the 12/12 thread, dell boy is pulling like 2 oz a plant from 12/12, there is no point in autos,they are a gimmick for seed cos to make money off of people that buy into the idea,you can have a perpetual grow at 12/12 and pull the same if not more of better quality and save on energy, the best use for autos is out doors in spain etc, but inside in a controlled environment they are pretty pointless,they are all about making you go back to the seed company to buy more seeds more than anything,as you cant reveg/clone and most are now fem to stop you breeding too,.If you have a veg room make use of it,get a few bonsai mums on the go and get a cloning regime on the go that means you are harvesting every 8 weeks,thats just my opinion though
if an autoflower took the same time to finish as a seed from 12/12 and was rather grown at 18/6 or 24/0, would it not do more photosynthesis, thus making for more production?
if you can give the light the most energy you can and still let it flower, why not give it as much as possibe?
plants veg faster on 24/0, so wouldnt they flower faster and more effectively on 24/0?
and short stuff is still selling regular autos, i dont buy fems, and as far as potency goes, ive already covered that autos potency could be improved tenfold what it is now, but some breeders are pushing the limits such as stitch. it takes years of backcrossing and isolating this gene,
autos are being improved every year, soon it will be just as potent as any photoperiod, and most likely a bigger yield since you can fit more light time into its life.
a high potency auto strain is coming soon and just remember i said that, one day one of the most popular strains will carry the auto genetic, it'll sweep the grow world and although people cant clone, they can easily set aside a male and save his pollen flowers, after all they will all flower by a given date. pollen is easy to store and you can just brush it on any bud and get a seed, people make it much more complicated than it is, especially if you can just hide a male in a bush somewhere and come back to collect his pollen sacs, they'll be ready in under three months regardless of season.