Kalkaska's Prosecutor Killed

[bob harris]

I don't think you are lying. You see what I am saying. I have a record, I do not grow more than what is legal. Four weeks ago my grow was toured, I am legit. My outlaw days have long been over. I think there is legal money to be made and illegal money to be made. I would like to know how to make the legal money. Honestly to be in it for the money one would go to a state that isn't legal and go to town. Look up how much time you get for 200 plants, it isn't much. That isn't me though. The medical side beats the drug said any day. I saw from your post many are bsing about what they make and I agree I am done.

Well, if you want to be legal as things stand now, sell only to your assigned patients, and destroy any overage. That's kinda where the law stands today, as I understand it.

For the time being, they have shut down all but the smallest legal means of making any money.

What would I like to see? Dispensaries licensed and re opened. More of a liquor license situation. Limited licensees available, tight controls on opperations. Thsoe dispesaries could buy from patient and care giver overages, subject to lab testing of the cannabis. Your cannabis tests "medical quality"..or not. You get a 1099 when you sell..you pay taxes, dispensaries pay taxes and have legitimate books.

Regardless of the situation you or I may want, rest assured there will be regulations attached. Every business of any kind has some regulations associated with it.

 

[gladstoned]

Well, if you want to be legal as things stand now, sell only to your assigned patients, and destroy any overage. That's kinda where the law stands today, as I understand it.

For the time being, they have shut down all but the smallest legal means of making any money.

What would I like to see? Dispensaries licensed and re opened. More of a liquor license situation. Limited licensees available, tight controls on opperations. Thsoe dispesaries could buy from patient and care giver overages, subject to lab testing of the cannabis. Your cannabis tests "medical quality"..or not. You get a 1099 when you sell..you pay taxes, dispensaries pay taxes and have legitimate books.

Regardless of the situation you or I may want, rest assured there will be regulations attached. Every business of any kind has some regulations associated with it.

very reasonable

 

[stumpjumper]

Well, if you want to be legal as things stand now, sell only to your assigned patients, and destroy any overage. That's kinda where the law stands today, as I understand it.

Jackson farmers market has caregivers selling to unassigned patients every week. It's no big secret. If the law had an issue with it they would've been raided a long time ago.

 

[gladstoned]

My girlfriend went there. Says the place is fantastic. She went through the whole place, then chose what she wanted out of like 40 vendors. She got an ounce of Ed Rosenthal Super Bud for $250. Better than the 20 or so dispensaries I've been too. Plus this grower had it tested and the company posts the results online. This tested at 21.9% thc. Goooood Shit, let me tell you. Smooooooth. Many ounces are cheaper, this as I said was the best she could find. If fifty growers are at a market than how can they be fucking over patients? This is all a good thing. Good for everyone.

 

[bob harris]

Jackson farmers market has caregivers selling to unassigned patients every week. It's no big secret. If the law had an issue with it they would've been raided a long time ago.

If the law IN THAT AREA had a problem with it. Try one in Grand Rapids and see what happens. One of the biggest problems is the inconsistency from jurisdiction to jurisdiction that cause alot of the problems. And who's to say the the farmer's market won't get raided? The powers that be in that area could change their minds with the drop of a hat.

We're just gonna have problems until all state leo agencies handle the law the same. Right now, I don't think anyone really knows what flies. The confusion is massive.

But it has to be regulated in some manner. It's the only way to achieve a modicum of order in the situation.

My advice, rather than bitchin about the bills in the Senate, would be to try and construct bills that work. Define a dispensary system. Design a system for the sale, grading and distribution of the cannabis. Create some bills that protect and define the med rights, rather than restrict it.

That may happen, but unfortunately the Government is going to over react and make things muddy before they turn the corner. California is still working on shit after all these years..why/how would Michigan be different?

 

[ismokealotofpot]

Dispensaries are what screwed us. They broke the law by selling to every tom dick and harry. legally they can only sell to five patients that they are connected with through the registry. That is what our law said from day one! Nothing has changed if you read the law it states it very clear. Iv'e been saying the collectives and dispensaries were illegal since they opened.

 

[gladstoned]

I have to say smokealot, Dispensaries showed many of us how easy and cool it should be. I must admit, I was giggling like a little faggot going into a dispensary the first few times. I had waited my entire life for this shit. lol. I appreciate them, I love buying a few grams of shit to check it out. Craigslist sucks. Patients shouldn't be limited to just one caregiver, especially since most caregivers are not outlaws that have been growing for decades, we are learning and starting out. Variety is everything. That's another bad thing about prescriptions wouldn't you say, you can't really adjust your pain killers much. With weed you can pick any variety of effects.

 

[jonnynobody]

Dispensaries are what screwed us. They broke the law by selling to every tom dick and harry. legally they can only sell to five patients that they are connected with through the registry. That is what our law said from day one! Nothing has changed if you read the law it states it very clear. Iv'e been saying the collectives and dispensaries were illegal since they opened.

First and foremost I'd have to say "pull your head from your ass". The dispensaries did not cause this disparity; the law enforcement establishment within this state did. Do not for one fucking second blame the dispensaries and so forth b/c I can name 5 different pain management clinics that anybody with a pulse can get a fucking oxycontin prescription and guess what, they stay OPEN! This is nasty dirty politics at it's finest and don't for one second confuse it for anything else. People take advantage of laws all the time in every facet of life so don't blame a few assholes in the michigan mmj community for ruining it for all. This is politics plain and simple....dammit I swear it's so hard to restrain when people still continue to blame the mmj community for what law enforcement is doing. YOUR OPPOSITION IS NOT AS NOBLE AND HONEST AS YOU....GET IT?


Take a look at arizona for instance....there is virtually no community and the entire community of state officials is rallying against "the scourge of marijuana". Take your sad story walking my misguided friend...

 

[ismokealotofpot]

I think it should be legal all together. But the law as written is exactly what leo has enforced and I don't blame them for it. I do also get upset when people who have such collectives and dispensaries disregard the law in turn causing leo to come down on all caregivers. Collectives and dispensaries were the biggest crooks out there everything in my area was 20 a gram and up. minimum of 100 for 1/4 oz and you guys praise them. All caregivers and patients should be able to transfer meds as needed IMO.

 

[Dizzle Frost]

I think it should be legal all together. But the law as written is exactly what leo has enforced and I don't blame them for it. I do also get upset when people who have such collectives and dispensaries disregard the law in turn causing leo to come down on all caregivers. Collectives and dispensaries were the biggest crooks out there everything in my area was 20 a gram and up. minimum of 100 for 1/4 oz and you guys praise them. All caregivers and patients should be able to transfer meds as needed IMO.

yeah way bigger crooks than the organized crime people support by buying shit from the street

 

[jonnynobody]

I think it should be legal all together. But the law as written is exactly what leo has enforced and I don't blame them for it. I do also get upset when people who have such collectives and dispensaries disregard the law in turn causing leo to come down on all caregivers. Collectives and dispensaries were the biggest crooks out there everything in my area was 20 a gram and up. minimum of 100 for 1/4 oz and you guys praise them. All caregivers and patients should be able to transfer meds as needed IMO.

I think we agree on the fundamentals but disagree on many other things. When my wife was going through radiation therapy and we had not found a caregiver for her yet, we were never so pleased to be able to walk into a dispensary and purchase her medicine at $15-$20/gram because we had nowhere else to turn. Her pharmaceuticals ran in the range of $1500-$2000/month. Do you really think people in that situation give a crap about spending $15-$20/g for quality meds? I know we didn't. Fortunately we did find an unbelievable caregiver that takes care of my wife very well now but I'm so very grateful for the various dispensaries that served us prior to that. Do you know what it costs to retain an attorney to protect a storefront operation? $200/hour....sometimes looking at the logistics of ugly situations puts things more into perspective for us....I hope it does for you as well.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

First and foremost I'd have to say "pull your head from your ass". The dispensaries did not cause this disparity; the law enforcement establishment within this state did. Do not for one fucking second blame the dispensaries and so forth b/c I can name 5 different pain management clinics that anybody with a pulse can get a fucking oxycontin prescription and guess what, they stay OPEN! This is nasty dirty politics at it's finest and don't for one second confuse it for anything else. People take advantage of laws all the time in every facet of life so don't blame a few assholes in the michigan mmj community for ruining it for all. This is politics plain and simple....dammit I swear it's so hard to restrain when people still continue to blame the mmj community for what law enforcement is doing. YOUR OPPOSITION IS NOT AS NOBLE AND HONEST AS YOU....GET IT?


Take a look at arizona for instance....there is virtually no community and the entire community of state officials is rallying against "the scourge of marijuana". Take your sad story walking my misguided friend...

what I stated was fact!That is the way the law was written If you read the law you will see it. Have you looked over the mmmj law? trust me im not siding with opposition

 

[ismokealotofpot]

Like I said All caregiver and patients should be able to transfer meds to each other unfortunately that's not how the law was written. I know all about radiation and chemo my brother died at the ripe old age of 12.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

yeah way bigger crooks than the organized crime people support by buying shit from the street

They were buying from the street anyway and still do whats your point.

 

[jonnynobody]

Like I said All caregiver and patients should be able to transfer meds to each other unfortunately that's not how the law was written. I know all about radiation and chemo my brother died at the ripe old age of 12.

So are you saying that our state legislators & elected officials are honoring the will & intent of the voters? My understanding was that qualifying sick people would be able to obtain their medical cards within a reasonable amount of time (not 4 months later), and patients would be able to reasonably access their medication. Is my interpretation different than yours?

I believe my interpenetration to be correct and I don't see that materializing as of yet.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

A patient should be able to get their meds by any means possible, and a caregiver is only allowed to grow for their patient. That was how the law was written don't complain to me about it I had nothing to do with it. I didn't know about until it made the news that it was going on the ballot.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

It does take a long time to get the cards It should be done at the secretary of state like a drivers licence. E mail joe cain tell him you want his ass out and someone else in charge of mmmp all I get are emails and old news from mmmp. They didnt even know about the bill schuttee protest until I told him

 

[bob harris]

So are you saying that our state legislators & elected officials are honoring the will & intent of the voters? My understanding was that qualifying sick people would be able to obtain their medical cards within a reasonable amount of time (not 4 months later), and patients would be able to reasonably access their medication. Is my interpretation different than yours?

I believe my interpenetration to be correct and I don't see that materializing as of yet.

In the strictest sense of the law ..yes, they are complying. Getting your hard card is a minor problem, paperwork and 21 days works until you get it. Getting meds from your approved cg, or growing your own is reasonable access.

Are you saying that only truly qualified patients have gotten cards? In many ways, the government has done a better job of implementing the med law than the public.

The public sector set up the Dr feelgood anyone can get a card system. The public set up the no accounting, pot banner hippie coffee house dispensary system. The public chose to max plant counts and over grow for "overages".

Guys, put yourself in the position of the government. Look at how it's progressed, and tell me it dosen't need to be controlled.

 

[gladstoned]

Just to interject real quick on minor note. Secretary of State to close to Michigan State Police for my liking.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

IMO caregivers and patients should be allowed to sell their overages to a pharmacy for compensation. The pharmacy should supply card holders that show proper ID. Michigan deemed it medicine so how come drug stores don't have it on hand for those who need it.