So I pre-mixed 10 gallons of pro bloom soil and liquid Karma,2 days ago.Shop guy said it is ok,ph was about 6.9 .Today i went and opened container and all the nutes had seperated and looked like mud in the bottom.PH was over 8.5,should i lowr ph and use or dump and batch new for feeding tomorrow.I do have an airstone in there but it had floated to the top and not making many bubbles.Now that i mixed up it looks like muddy water
Cant sleep till I have an answer
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silusbotwin
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I would have to humbly, respectfully, and partially disagree with moash. I think the solution you have will be 100% fine so long as you shake or stir it up well before feeding. It also depends on how you stored it. If it was kept in a cool dark place, you will be fine. HOWEVER, I do agree that in the future you should follow what moash said. Keep it aerated from now on but it's apparent that you are already aware of this considering you did mention the airstones weren't at the bottom.
tl;dr: Your mixed solution will be 100% fine as long as you have kept it in a dark and cool place. I wouldn't take this as gospel but I think the ph will go back to 6.8 or whatever it was after mixing it back up. It settles just like chocolate milk or sugar in coffee. Again don't take it as gospel. Make sure you test the ph before feeding anyway.
tl;dr: Your mixed solution will be 100% fine as long as you have kept it in a dark and cool place. I wouldn't take this as gospel but I think the ph will go back to 6.8 or whatever it was after mixing it back up. It settles just like chocolate milk or sugar in coffee. Again don't take it as gospel. Make sure you test the ph before feeding anyway.
homebrewer
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You can thank liquid karma for that. It's a dirty mess and a useless product.
Cannabisworks
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it was the karma that settles. thats what humic acid does no matter the brand. karma is good stuff and 6.9pH is to high for any medium.
karma will help chelate the food for a wider ph window and help mobilize the foods within the plant to make them move about easier
karma will help chelate the food for a wider ph window and help mobilize the foods within the plant to make them move about easier
homebrewer
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Liquid Karma contributes about 30ppm per ml into a gallon. At their suggested rates of 10mls/gallon, that leaves no room for 'real plant food'. It's a dirty mess in hydro and really shouldn't be used in dirt considering how much they suggest to use and how weak it is. All for 0.5% humic acid??? 0.5% will not make a difference in your grow.
In a side-by-side test, you could never tell which plant was getting Liquid karma (if you think you can, you're seeing what you want to see). I like products similar to this but find this one to be a total waste of money.
Cannabisworks
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i just passed on why some have an npk/...theres the reason why you dont like it...there isnt anything you will see visibly..you think youll see a huge bud diff is why you think it isnt doing anything. it is.
remember labels lie....all companies. i saved a fair bit of food use by using so that was my bennefit. your looking for something that isnt there and blame the food...it is to help mobilize the food so when an area in a plant might get deff it is easier fo0r the plant to send the needed food to that area in the plant...where you looking for that??..cause thats what it does. and opens the window for pH use. so the food is more available at a wider pH range. i cant visibly see that either
remember labels lie....all companies. i saved a fair bit of food use by using so that was my bennefit. your looking for something that isnt there and blame the food...it is to help mobilize the food so when an area in a plant might get deff it is easier fo0r the plant to send the needed food to that area in the plant...where you looking for that??..cause thats what it does. and opens the window for pH use. so the food is more available at a wider pH range. i cant visibly see that either
Cannabisworks
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30 ppm wont do anything to block anything. that could be a few grains of food to fake an n/p/k for certification
i use the humic i use now at 20ml a gal./ still dosent hurt it. i can dump almost any amount and no ill effect. its a waste but wont kill them
i use the humic i use now at 20ml a gal./ still dosent hurt it. i can dump almost any amount and no ill effect. its a waste but wont kill them
homebrewer
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I wasn't looking for anything in particular as I bought it years ago before I had any idea what I was doing. If you're using a product and it does nothing in terms of yield, aroma, density, plant health, or correcting deficiencies, then it's a worthless product.
20mls per gallon??? I know for a fact you do not own a TDS meter if you're using it at that rate.
Cannabisworks
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actualy i own a $700 dollar meter blue labs gaurdian..its in my recent vid in journal. the humic i use has absolutly no N/P/K so it wont harm anything if i over use it. and i dont do this every time i feed. i hardly need to use it. i may have the advantage as i make the stuff ..or made it. so i know what is realy in it..dont fall for labels
in fact the label says to use 20ml a gal. no its not needed to use that much.
in fact the label says to use 20ml a gal. no its not needed to use that much.
Cannabisworks
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i gaurtantee if you listed out what food you use id find a few that dont do anything that you think to, but its used. or a cheeper more pure form of it
homebrewer
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DynaGro grow and Bloom, magpro and protekt. Have at it
Cannabisworks
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ok thats ok...most have a whole line up is why i said that..only one i dont know what it is...protekt?...silicon?
I measure out my humic acid during watering to 0.0005 to 0.0009%.
Shows how much you know
Oh yes it will. It'll burn the shit out of your plants in ways you have never seen before.
Cannabisworks
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not peoples fault labels lie guys...blame the nute co. not the user
Cannabisworks
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it will harm if used wrong. i did 1 time about 20 year ago. the first time i used lk...on its own. with no food. so ya it will mess up not used right.
you are right though...as ive never seen before cause ive yet to see it as bad as you say. and again use it right and it wont. blame the food again not the user?
you are right though...as ive never seen before cause ive yet to see it as bad as you say. and again use it right and it wont. blame the food again not the user?
homebrewer
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Educate yourself next time before you come off as a pompous a$$hole:
http://forages.tamu.edu/PDF/Alternative.pdf
Cannabisworks
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some good info in there. it isnt our crop but was a decent read. i dont think were growing corn that has nothing to do with our type of plant. i dont use humic to increase my crops yield myself. not what it does