food for thought...alcohol vs. weed

waffles696

Active Member
well first id like to say high. im new to the forums extremely baked atm. and i was going to through out a statement that will provoke some thought and urge a nice long convo. so i am a reformed alcoholic over this past summer and thts when i started smoking and now growing. and my statement is that.... every complains that weed is a "gateway" drug blah blah blah. but i dnt think so. dont ya feel like you do more stupid crazy shit when your drunk? like i did other drugs when i was drunk. but never high. and yet alcohol is legal while weed is not. its legal to brew your own but not grow you own. please lets make this a fin thread :D :mrgreen:
 

Gastanker

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Cause of death1 Number
All causes 2,436,652
Cardiovascular diseases 779,367
Malignant neoplasms 568,668
Drug induced2 37,485
Suicide 36,547
Motor vehicle accidents 36,284
Septicemia (infections) 35,587
by Firearms 31,224
Accidental poisoning 30,504
Alcohol induced 23,199
Homicide 16,591
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) 9,424
Viral hepatitis 7,652
Cannabis (Marijuana) 0
Based on the International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision, Second Edition, 2004
2 Drug induced include both legal and illicit drugs.
Source:

Kochanek KD, Xu JQ, Murphy SL, et al. "Deaths: Preliminary data for 2009." National vital statistics reports; vol 59 no 4. Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics. 2011. pp. 17-20.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr59/nvsr59_04.pdf

Here's are some highlights of the U.S. Justice Department, Bureau of Justice Statistics April 1998 report on Alcohol and Crime:

About 3 million violent crimes occur each year in which victims perceive the offender to have been drinking at the time of the offense. Among those victims who provided information about the offender's use of alcohol, about 35 percent of the victimizations involved an offender who had been drinking. About two-thirds of the alcohol-involved crimes were characterized as simple assaults.

Two-thirds of victims who suffered violence by an intimate (a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend) reported that alcohol had been a factor. Among spouse victims, 3 out of 4 incidents were reported to have involved an offender who had been drinking. By contrast, an estimated 31 percent of stranger victimizations where the victim could determine the absence or presence of alcohol were perceived to be alcohol-related.

An estimated 32 percent of fatal accidents involved an intoxicated driver or pedestrian (the majority are drivers, however) with a blood alcohol concentration, or BAC, of at least 0.10 grams of alcohol per deciliter of blood, the most commonly used definition of intoxication.
Among the 5.3 million convicted offenders under the jurisdiction of corrections agencies in 1996, nearly 2 million, or about 36 percent, were estimated to have been drinking at the time of the offense. The vast majority, about 1.5 million, of these alcohol-involved offenders were sentenced to supervision in the community: 1.3 million on probation and more than 200,000 on parole.

There was some variation in the percentage of offenders who had been using alcohol at the time of the offense across different correctional statuses: 40 percent of both jail inmates and probationers, 32 percent of State prisoners, and 29 percent of parolees.

Alcohol use at the time of the offense was commonly found among those convicted of public-order crimes, a type of offense most highly represented among those on probation and in jail. Among violent offenders, 41 percent of probationers, 41 percent of those in local jails, 38 percent of those in State prisons, and 20 percent of those in Federal prisons were estimated to have been drinking when they committed the crime.

I can't find similar statistics regarding Marijuana...
 

waffles696

Active Member
exactly. marijuana has been around just as long if not longer then alcohol has been. what make it different from alcohol? every one percieves it to be a drug when it is not. alcohol is the tru drug. more kids are likely to do real drugs drunk rather then high. plus i dnt see the high guy abusing his wife or kids. but the drunk guy does.
 

rowlman

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....I like to complement my smoke with a fine wine...or my beer with a fine smoke...or a bong hit with a shot...and so on
 

waffles696

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i dont mind some alcohol with my high. but im comparing stoners to alcoholics. like i feel when you are beyond drunk you do stupid shit opposed to being baked into space
 

rollandtoke

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Ill put it this way...I like to get "buzzed"...

I have found that weed is really the only "drug" (quoting because the world see's it as such, I tend to refer to it more as a "generic medicine") that I can use just enough....alcohol, misc digestible medicines, and alcohol all seem to hit you after a specific amount of time, so you tend to overdo it....with my lady Mary J its a lot easier to hit that "feeling" quicker...with a lot less.

I have been struggling with an addiction to alcohol for a few years now and have found that when I have plenty of MJ, I hardly drink, but when almost to no MJ, I drink WAAAAAAYYY too much...

If they really wanna call something a "Gateway Drug"...then alcohol should be it....because it makes us take other drugs when under the influence...while MJ just makes you wanna watch Ancient Aliens or The Universe on BluRay...lol


Good topic for convo tho, great idea...
 

waffles696

Active Member
ik and ik how ya feel i just stopped my alcoholism. im 18. i started at 10 thanks to my dear ole pops but i have found mj to be my cure. i dnt drink ever while high. but man i did pills, and special k, coke and shrooms etcc.. while drunk. why do people have to rag on weed so much? hell ik people who are in their 80's and they smoke and grow. ( the gurus of todays weed society). helll id make my own moon shine and pound tht down, bad black outs. but damn do i love my reefer :D. also helps me study and relax before college midterms. while alcohol. well. just makes you forget
 

jammin screw

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Well I can't smoker right now due to issues but I cansay the other
day I drank n it kinda sucked for me.... Didnt reallyget drunk Ora good buzz Like I Got back when.. N I know if smoke sum'n I'll have a damn good feelin....i like ganja over alcohol
 

waffles696

Active Member
i say if alcohol is legal and kills, ciggs are legal nd kill then weed should be legal cause i dont hear about no1 dieing from smokin da reefer :D
 

obijohn

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I like an alcohol buzz, but not getting drunk per se. If I had to choose, I'd choose weed. And if i smoke, I really don't feel like drinking much.

Weed aside, I used to drink lots of alcohol. maybe it's getting older, but I just don't enjoy it like I used to. Few beers, or a few margaritas with dinner when I go out is all I need
 

rollandtoke

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Here's another thing I have noticed...when its the weekend or I dont have to work the next day if I start drinking I end up staying up uintil 3 or 4 am. If I just started smoking at the same time, i would have been out by 11 or 12 pm and not be dealing with a hangover (like this morning)...lol
 
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