Obama is it because he is Black or Democrat

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mame

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That has nothing to do with Obama's promise to close Gitmo. FAILURE.
Actually it does, Obama wanted to move the detainees into a prision on U.S. soil and there was far too much political backlash against it. He wasn't willing to release the detainees so he has no choice but to leave gitmo open for the time being. I believe his intent was to govern responsibly, rather than ideologically... you know, he is a centrist president after all.
 

Jack Fate

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Can Anyone tell me what teh Official US policy towards Libya has been since the 80s when they were Killing our Civilians and servicemen?

Can anyone tell me what the Constitution says about supporting our allies and honoring Treaties?
Obama said he would never attack a nation that was no direct threat. FAILURE.
 

Jack Fate

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Oh so public opinion trumps economic analysis now, eh?
Public opinion is a reflection of economic analysis. When people don't like the economy then they make their opinion known in polls. All the polls say the American people are not happy with this economy. Even Joe Biden said Obama and he are to be held responsible.
 

Jack Fate

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Actually it does, Obama wanted to move the detainees into a prision on U.S. soil and there was far too much political backlash against it. He wasn't willing to release the detainees so he has no choice but to leave gitmo open for the time being. I believe his intent was to govern responsibly, rather than ideologically... you know, he is a centrist president after all.
So Obama was being idealogical when he campaigned, but then had to face reality when he got into office. Right?
 

mame

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Public opinion is a reflection of economic analysis. When people don't like the economy then they make their opinion known in polls. All the polls say the American people are not happy with this economy. Even Joe Biden said Obama and he are to be held responsible.
Oh so the American people know all about economic models, multipliers, the output gap, etc? Do you? You realize there is actual math involved here right? I'm not just pulling this out of my ass.

I'd still like to hear you explain this one: "We will bounce back as soon as we take out all the trash that is stinking up the place."

It doesn't seem to be based on any evidence at all, naturally.
 

ihatepolice

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Obama has been stopped because he made things worse and that is why the Dems lost so big last fall. The country is at a stalemate and that is a good thing until we can get rid of more of these leftists who are destroying America. We will bounce back as soon as we take out all the trash that is stinking up the place.
did you feel the same about bush
 

Jack Fate

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Oh so the American people know all about economic models, multipliers, the output gap, etc? Do you? You realize there is actual math involved here right? I'm not just pulling this out of my ass.

I'd still like to hear you explain this one: "We will bounce back as soon as we take out all the trash that is stinking up the place."

It doesn't seem to be based on any evidence at all, naturally.
When I have to pay almost $4 a gallon and I was paying $250 last year, then I think I can figure out that something is wrong. When I see my food prices going up every week then I can easily figure out something is wrong. You can spend you time playing with numbers all you want, but most of us who live in the USA look at what we make and what we spend and can figure it out okay. We're not stupid.

Yes, when we kick out the leftist trash in our govt and get people in congress who understand business and how to produce jobs then we'll be better off and things will not stink as bad.
 

ihatepolice

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When I have to pay almost $4 a gallon and I was paying $250 last year, then I think I can figure out that something is wrong. When I see my food prices going up every week then I can easily figure out something is wrong. You can spend you time playing with numbers all you want, but most of us who live in the USA look at what we make and what we spend and can figure it out okay. We're not stupid.

Yes, when we kick out the leftist trash in our govt and get people in congress who understand business and how to produce jobs then we'll be better off and things will not stink as bad.
what you fail to realize is that everything you named your mad at is not Obama's fault not only that but it took 2 terms for gas to get as high as it ever been do you not think it will take the same to lower it.
 

mame

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When I have to pay almost $4 a gallon and I was paying $250 last year, then I think I can figure out that something is wrong. When I see my food prices going up every week then I can easily figure out something is wrong. You can spend you time playing with numbers all you want, but most of us who live in the USA look at what we make and what we spend and can figure it out okay. We're not stupid.

Yes, when we kick out the leftist trash in our govt and get people in congress who understand business and how to produce jobs then we'll be better off and things will not stink as bad.
Oh you're going to bring up inflation now, eh? You mean the 2% core inflation? The CPI is lower too. Here's a hint: I've already been through these battles(btw, you dont pay $4 a gallon, it peaked at $4 but it's lower now). Crude oil and specific food items (corn, wheat) are more expensive mostly due to supply and demand imbalances... Here is me, quite a while ago now, on these forums (I suggest checking out the whole thread for context, plus tons of info and a decent debate between ND and I):
This whole time the developed nations of the world have been depressed, the developing nations have been booming. Demand, especially in energy, has outpaced supply - causing rising prices. How can you continue to blame monetary inflation for increases in real prices? Because inflation is not the main factor in what we're seeing... Prices for wheat and corn are rising because of real supply and demand realities. It's showing to be exactly the same scenario with crude oil prices, as China alone counts for a massive increase in demand over the last several years. These commodities effect the price of almost everything we buy. You keep refering to every price increase as inflation, which just isn't true. Price increases happen due to real and inflationary pressures and all signs are pointing towards real pressures as the main culprit in this case.

The bar graph is misleading because of these realities. The graph, just as you are, is saying "prices are going up so monetary inflation must be the culprit!" but economics is a very complicated subject and to ignore two of the most important variables - supply and demand - is pretty irresponsible. Once you consider all of the evidence you quickly realize that we are not alone in the world; Demand has outpaced supply for many commodities, causing price increases. Nearly every economic indicator used to measure inflationary pressures(treasury bond yeilds, core inflation, etc), as I've argued like 426562135724 times on these boards shows that of all the problems the U.S. faces economically as a nation - inflation is not currently one of them.
Oh and, Obama cant control food and gas prices anyway so IDK why you're trying to pin that on him.
 

dukeanthony

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How come we were paying 4 bucks a gallon for gas when OIL was almost 2x as much as now?

Its almost as If some Oil Conglomerates were fixing the market
 

Jack Fate

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what you fail to realize is that everything you named your mad at is not Obama's fault not only that but it took 2 terms for gas to get as high as it ever been do you not think it will take the same to lower it.
I think things are worse because the left controlled congress for 4 years, and Obama and the dem congress ran their agenda through congress without opposition for 2 solid years.
 

Jack Fate

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Oh you're going to bring up inflation now, eh? You mean the 2% core inflation? The CPI is lower too. Here's a hint: I've already been through these battles(btw, you dont pay $4 a gallon, it peaked at $4 but it's lower now). Crude oil and specific food items (corn, wheat) are more expensive mostly due to supply and demand imbalances... Here is me, quite a while ago now, on these forums (I suggest checking out the whole thread for context, plus tons of info and a decent debate between ND and I):

Oh and, Obama cant control food and gas prices anyway so IDK why you're trying to pin that on him.
The HCR bill needs to be repealed and some of the govt restrictions on business that Obama and congress have shackled business with need to be repealed. We're working on that.
 

UncleBuck

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I think things are worse because the left controlled congress for 4 years, and Obama and the dem congress ran their agenda through congress without opposition for 2 solid years.
LOL!

yeah, no opposition at all. :dunce:

do you even listen to yourself?
 

Jack Fate

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LOL!

yeah, no opposition at all. :dunce:

do you even listen to yourself?
The Dems had a filibuster proof congress with a super majority. Not one repub vote for the HCR bill, yet it was passed by Dems only. If you disagree with that then present your points.
 

ihatepolice

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I think things are worse because the left controlled congress for 4 years, and Obama and the dem congress ran their agenda through congress without opposition for 2 solid years.
From this comment i realized you are a troll and this will be my last post ever responding to you or on any of your threads.
 

mame

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The HCR bill needs to be repealed and some of the govt restrictions on business that Obama and congress have shackled business with need to be repealed. We're working on that.
There is no evidence to suggest this recession has anything to do with a supply side crunch; to the contrary, private debt and depressed consumer demand are the two keys to a sustainable, real recovery.

Tell me, what regulations exactly would you repeal? What regulations are hurting business?
 

fssalaska

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Yea I was able to put that one together to wanted to see the responses it seems the mission here it to make him out to be the worst president ever so they can say look we tried and it didn’t work out so let’s go back to what we’re use too.
No can do, Mr Bush will always be the worst president ever !
Obama may not be the best " I don't like him " but trying to pick up America after 8 years of Bush-shit I really think anyone in that office would look bad.
PS plus he's black. < what you wanted to hear ? theres your fuel.
 
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