Another pointless religious/atheist thread.

Hepheastus420

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you cant prove us wrong because we are not claiming anything(unless you have evidence of god i guess). we are simply saying we dont believe in a god, because there is no evidence for it. you are claiming there IS a god, therefore YOU must prove you are right. so if you have some evidence, id like to see it.
I also never said it was fact I said that I believe and have faith in god. Once again we are going in circles, so how about you come up with beneficial statements instead of your pointless repetitive statements/questions?
 

Hepheastus420

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The premise of the show is that two families exchange mom's for a week. The moms live in the new house and try to fit into the new families. In the end both families are given 50k but the new moms decide how the money is spent.

This Christian woman was sent to a house that is centered on new age thinking. They believe in astrology, reincarnation, and hypnosis. They observe some pagan ideas such a celebrating the summer solstice. This woman was not asked to participate in any rituals or worship. She was simply exposed to the ideas of this family and couldn't handle it. She would not even listen to them explain their beliefs, however she demanded each of the children listen to her ideas about Christ. She applied none of the standards she imposed upon their beliefs to her own. In the end she left each member of the family a bible for them to study.

Upon returning home she enters a fit of rage and rants about all the things she was exposed to. She screams about the other families children not being Christians or going to church. She then proceeds to blame her family for the ordeal because they did not pray hard enough for her. She frantically declares anything not of Christ to be dark-sided, and orders anyone who doesn't believe in Christ out of her home.

Meanwhile we were shown the other mom, the new age thinker, trying to live among the Christian family. She participates in a small party intended to introduce her to the friends of the family, but it just ends up being a judgement session for the other Christian ladies. She is made to feel inferior and unwelcome.

Again this does not represent all Christians. It represents the potential for Christianity and any dogmatic adherence to religion to spawn hate and intolerance, a potential that is all too often realized. When we criticize religion, and you say those people are crazy people and not the Christians you know, you are missing the point. We are speaking of the potential and giving examples of that potential manifested. Almost anything can be used for evil intent, all technology is double sided, all ideas can be misconstrued, but religion offers and arguably fosters a unique path to evil not found elsewhere. These teachings make this evil seductive to even good hearted people, and once realized, the teachings offer complete justification for it. These are the consequences of this type of thinking, and the cherry on top is that religion has built in discouragement of critical analysis of these consequences.
Heis everything has the potential to cause a negative impact. some examples:
Music- it can cause depression or influence people into acting in a negative way.
Movies- has the same potential as music.
School- a kid may be bullied and shoot up the place.
Those are just from the top of my head, my point is that it can be beneficial but it depends on how you use it. People don't want to eradicate music, movies, or school just because of the negative impact it can have on a person. So IMO religion shouldn't be hated to this degree either unless you want to start making threads to get rid of everything else in this world that has the potential to cause negativity.
 

Luger187

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I also never said it was fact I said that I believe and have faith in god. Once again we are going in circles, so how about you come up with beneficial statements instead of your pointless repetitive statements/questions?
what is the reason you have faith though? do you just believe for no reason? what is it about christianity that makes you feel it is correct? there must be something. out of all the times ive asked, all youve come up with is 'I have faith", and that doesnt mean anything.
Faith:
1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

see where im going with this?

what i said wasnt pointless. you said we cant prove you wrong. you cannot prove a claim of untestable evidence wrong. this is how religion scapegoats these questions. by saying god is supernatural and cannot be seen, you are somehow allowed to claim he exists without any form of evidence. how convenient...
in order to make a claim, you must provide supportive evidence for why it is right. otherwise you are just making shit up and expecting others to either believe it too, or leave you alone about it.

basically im wondering why the hell you believe it if you know there is no evidence to support it and it does bad things in the world.
 

Luger187

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also, how could one man build an ark big enough to fit two of every animal on earth? if he really did get EVERY creature, that would be quite a task. and if he didnt get every creature(just got the ones in his general area), how can the bible claim he repopulated the earth after the flood? how did all these new creatures appear within a few thousand years?
 

Bwpz

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also, how could one man build an ark big enough to fit two of every animal on earth? if he really did get EVERY creature, that would be quite a task. and if he didnt get every creature(just got the ones in his general area), how can the bible claim he repopulated the earth after the flood? how did all these new creatures appear within a few thousand years?
Good point. I like to throw out the talking snake, and the fact that a human lived in a whale for three days. I mean, come on now...
 

researchkitty

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Maybe the universe didn't come from anywhere. Maybe you're not real. Maybe none of this is real. =)
This is true, our Universe came from nowhere in particular. Space didnt exist before matter was present, and space only exists when matter is present. One of the common misunderstandings in cosmology is that the big bang didnt happen in any central point. Just stoned chit chat today, no real reason to be typing. :)
 

researchkitty

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The premise of the show is that two families exchange mom's for a week. The moms live in the new house and try to fit into the new families. In the end both families are given 50k but the new moms decide how the money is spent.

This Christian woman was sent to a house that is centered on new age thinking. They believe in astrology, reincarnation, and hypnosis. They observe some pagan ideas such a celebrating the summer solstice. This woman was not asked to participate in any rituals or worship. She was simply exposed to the ideas of this family and couldn't handle it. She would not even listen to them explain their beliefs, however she demanded each of the children listen to her ideas about Christ. She applied none of the standards she imposed upon their beliefs to her own. In the end she left each member of the family a bible for them to study.

Upon returning home she enters a fit of rage and rants about all the things she was exposed to. She screams about the other families children not being Christians or going to church. She then proceeds to blame her family for the ordeal because they did not pray hard enough for her. She frantically declares anything not of Christ to be dark-sided, and orders anyone who doesn't believe in Christ out of her home.

Meanwhile we were shown the other mom, the new age thinker, trying to live among the Christian family. She participates in a small party intended to introduce her to the friends of the family, but it just ends up being a judgement session for the other Christian ladies. She is made to feel inferior and unwelcome.

Again this does not represent all Christians. It represents the potential for Christianity and any dogmatic adherence to religion to spawn hate and intolerance, a potential that is all too often realized. When we criticize religion, and you say those people are crazy people and not the Christians you know, you are missing the point. We are speaking of the potential and giving examples of that potential manifested. Almost anything can be used for evil intent, all technology is double sided, all ideas can be misconstrued, but religion offers and arguably fosters a unique path to evil not found elsewhere. These teachings make this evil seductive to even good hearted people, and once realized, the teachings offer complete justification for it. These are the consequences of this type of thinking, and the cherry on top is that religion has built in discouragement of critical analysis of these consequences.
That's a funny incident. I'm curious, how did each family have their $50k spent for them in the end? I would have bought them hugs and cupcakes.
 

Hepheastus420

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You realize that entire post is intended to be sarcasm, right?
I agreed with what the person he was quoting was speaking about. He may use satire to combat what she said but still he didn't take the question head on so I didn't really pay attention to him. I mostly just agreed with her statement where she said that religion is part of culture. That's about it, the comments hold a good debate too.
 

Bwpz

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I agreed with what the person he was quoting was speaking about. He may use satire to combat what she said but still he didn't take the question head on so I didn't really pay attention to him. I mostly just agreed with her statement where she said that religion is part of culture. That's about it, the comments hold a good debate too.
Suicide bombing is a part of the Jihad culture :P
 

Heisenberg

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That's a funny incident. I'm curious, how did each family have their $50k spent for them in the end? I would have bought them hugs and cupcakes.
The new-age mom gave 5000 for the daughter to get certified in dance. And 10,000 for the daughter and granddaughter to move out. The rest went to the crazy christian mom to pay for a gastric bypass she wanted.

The crazy mom bought the whole family bibles. She gave $400 to the daughter to buy a new clothes dryer, and 3000 to each of the boys. The rest went to the father to be used for 'sustaining' the family.
 

researchkitty

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The new-age mom gave 5000 for the daughter to get certified in dance. And 10,000 for the daughter and granddaughter to move out. The rest went to the crazy christian mom to pay for a gastric bypass she wanted.

The crazy mom bought the whole family bibles. She gave $400 to the daughter to buy a new clothes dryer, and 3000 to each of the boys. The rest went to the father to be used for 'sustaining' the family.
Awesome. So to summarize, the religious family tried to impress their beliefs on others forcefully, while the new-age mom looked out for their health and better interests. As expected. :)
 
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