jdmcwestevo
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this is very very true
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Corbat420
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i have to answer that with this quote.....
and i also have to add this quote for good measure.Terpenes are a large and varied class of organic compounds, produced primarily by a wide variety of plants, particularly conifers, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coniferhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene#cite_note-0 though also by some insects such as termites or swallowtail butterflies, which emit terpenes from their osmeteriumhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmeterium.
Terpenes are derived biosynthetically from units of isoprenehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoprene, which has the molecular formula C5H8. The basic molecular formulae of terpenes are multiples of that, (C5Hn where n is the number of linked isoprene units. This is called the isoprene rule or the C5 rule.
and to add on a furthur note:
CBD = C21H30O2 Mol Mas 314.46
THC = C21H30O2 Mol Mas 314.45
Notice how they are the exact same chemical composition? and almost the same weight? that is because the only differance between canabinoids is how the compound is put together. thats why there is over 300~ variations of canabinoids.
no actualy, you are wrong. a female plant CAN turn its self into a hermaphrodite to cause the survival og the genetics..... but so can frogs. ANYTHING on the planet can turn hermy to survive but a female will not produce seeds without pollen.
http://www.mbgnet.net/bioplants/pollination.html this is a link on how seeds are actualy made...... read up and learn.
mellokitty
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you do realise you're comparing a cannabinoid to a cannabinoid (and not a cannabinoid to a terpene), right? zero probative value there, sorry.
quote #1: that speaks to my claim how? ok, so terpene is an isoprene derivative. that's not my point here, and i never disputed that.
it says right in the second quote you used, thc is a terpenoid, not a terpene. (yes yes i realise i'm splitting hairs here, sorry kona for the threadjack.) (a terpenoid is a terpene derivative, hence why they have different suffixes.)
this quote also directly cotradicts this statement:
"It is pertinent to examine the organization of the disc cells because all contents in this cavity must be derived from the disc cells. Cannabinoids, or their precursors, are secretions from these cells. Another major group of secreted compounds are the terpenes (monoterpenes and sesquiterpenes). Monoterpenes are the more abundant of the two. Terpenes compose the "essential oils"; they contribute to the odors of the plant, and are sticky in character, as evident when one touches the plant. Different combinations of terpenes in different strains contribute to odor differences among the strains. Cannabinoids, and THC, are odorless to most humans."
[they wouldn't make the distinction if they were part of the same group, right?]
culled from this article: http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html
[edit: i feel like i should mention that this is a report from hemp researchers, whose goal is to *decrease* thc content for legal reasons, imo their input is just as pertinent as cannabis folks looking to increase it]
further:
"As described in the cannabinoid pathway, these dimeric compounds consist of terpene and phenolic components. The abundant secretory activity of the disc cell plastids, and knowledge that this organelle does synthesize terpenes, suggests that they contribute the terpene component. Our detection, in previous studies, of abundant phenol in whole glands, and knowledge that phenols accumulate in vacuoles of cells, suggests that this cell feature may contribute the phenol component. Phenols are transported in the plant as glycosides and, when becoming localized in a cell vacuole, they accumulate there upon dissociation of the sugar moiety which returns to the cell cytoplasm.
We hypothesize that terpenes and phenols, when released from their respective sources, accumulate at the plasma membrane and cell wall interphase where enzymes dimerize these compounds into cannabinoids. It is necessary to determine enzymes involved in cannabinoid synthesis. Such an enzyme, when available, can be prepared as an antibody probe that can be used to identify more precisely the locus of cannabinoid, and THC, synthesis. Glands represent unique structures, and can be utilized to broaden our understanding of cannabinoid synthesis and aid in our effort to reduce the cannabinoid content of Cannabis strains for production of industrial hemp."
"Little or no THC was detected in the cytoplasm of the disc cells. This suggests that the terpene and phenol precursors, which must occur in the disc cells at some interval, may form the cannabinoids at the surface of the plasma membrane, or in the cell wall facing the secretory cavity."
...... in short, i'm not disputing that increased terpene production = more cannabinoids.
i'm only speaking to your statement that cannabinoids are terpenes. which they're not.
quote #1: that speaks to my claim how? ok, so terpene is an isoprene derivative. that's not my point here, and i never disputed that.
it says right in the second quote you used, thc is a terpenoid, not a terpene. (yes yes i realise i'm splitting hairs here, sorry kona for the threadjack.) (a terpenoid is a terpene derivative, hence why they have different suffixes.)
this quote also directly cotradicts this statement:
"It is pertinent to examine the organization of the disc cells because all contents in this cavity must be derived from the disc cells. Cannabinoids, or their precursors, are secretions from these cells. Another major group of secreted compounds are the terpenes (monoterpenes and sesquiterpenes). Monoterpenes are the more abundant of the two. Terpenes compose the "essential oils"; they contribute to the odors of the plant, and are sticky in character, as evident when one touches the plant. Different combinations of terpenes in different strains contribute to odor differences among the strains. Cannabinoids, and THC, are odorless to most humans."
[they wouldn't make the distinction if they were part of the same group, right?]
culled from this article: http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html
[edit: i feel like i should mention that this is a report from hemp researchers, whose goal is to *decrease* thc content for legal reasons, imo their input is just as pertinent as cannabis folks looking to increase it]
further:
"As described in the cannabinoid pathway, these dimeric compounds consist of terpene and phenolic components. The abundant secretory activity of the disc cell plastids, and knowledge that this organelle does synthesize terpenes, suggests that they contribute the terpene component. Our detection, in previous studies, of abundant phenol in whole glands, and knowledge that phenols accumulate in vacuoles of cells, suggests that this cell feature may contribute the phenol component. Phenols are transported in the plant as glycosides and, when becoming localized in a cell vacuole, they accumulate there upon dissociation of the sugar moiety which returns to the cell cytoplasm.
We hypothesize that terpenes and phenols, when released from their respective sources, accumulate at the plasma membrane and cell wall interphase where enzymes dimerize these compounds into cannabinoids. It is necessary to determine enzymes involved in cannabinoid synthesis. Such an enzyme, when available, can be prepared as an antibody probe that can be used to identify more precisely the locus of cannabinoid, and THC, synthesis. Glands represent unique structures, and can be utilized to broaden our understanding of cannabinoid synthesis and aid in our effort to reduce the cannabinoid content of Cannabis strains for production of industrial hemp."
"Little or no THC was detected in the cytoplasm of the disc cells. This suggests that the terpene and phenol precursors, which must occur in the disc cells at some interval, may form the cannabinoids at the surface of the plasma membrane, or in the cell wall facing the secretory cavity."
...... in short, i'm not disputing that increased terpene production = more cannabinoids.
i'm only speaking to your statement that cannabinoids are terpenes. which they're not.
DinafemHashPlant
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Ok back on TRACK HERE FOLKS....How ya doing today KONA, how ya feeling???
Corbat420
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no i told you how THC and other canabinoids ARE terpines by explaining what they ARE. maybe if you actualy ready it PROPERLY (yes, properly means IN CONTEXT).
Terpene Dirivatives such as terpinoids ARE CLASSIFIED AS TERPENES.
this is fucking retarded kitty..... you say its a terpinoid, WHICH IS A TERPENE. yet you say its NOT A TERPENE? get your shit straight. if your to ignorant to even google something for your own personal gain then thats on you.
terpene = oils naturally produced which include the chemical compound C5H8. any natural oil with that basic compound derivative.
where did yopu get your degree from kitty? i got mine from 10 months in malaspina colledge and 2 YEARS in vancouver island university..... if you want to split hairs i can go and go and go kitty, i was in school for this for 3 years..... you should know i dont pick fight's, i only give out the true scientific information......... unlike some of the people on here......
Edit: Sorry about that kona but when people try to spread unproven BS around here i have to step up sometimes...... if you EVER want i can take pic's for proof of any of my methods. they are personaly tested before i come on here and say ANYTHING.
mane2008
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exactly i hope it calms down soon.
I want more Conn Cheese pics kona
, you know I'm a Cheese head.
mellokitty
Moderatrix of Journals
whoa. down boy. maybe we can talk about this like grown ups. just because i disagree with you doesn't mean you have to attack my reading comprehension.
......so what you're saying is because we subscribe to 2 different botanical schools of thought my infomation is by default misinformation? oh yeah, that's not insulting at all.
....... sorry kona and everybody else, i've always been under the impression that cannabinoids and terpenes are botanically distinct. i'll just shut up now.
Corbat420
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LOL. wheres your SCIENCE kitty? thats all i have to say.
yea maybe we can. grownups live in the REAL WORLD, a world which has scientific laws and scientific practice..... know what its called when you dont use scientific facts? theology. the study of theory.
this IS kona's thread.... and if you go back and look the only stuff i have posted is when im healping kona, or someone says my shit is wrong.... in which case i show you how im right, hopefully informing KONA along the way..... if your posting here to bitch @ me (not just you kitty, anyone....) then its probably not the greatest thing to do.....
could you not have simpley edited your post???? THAT is the BS im talking about with the last thing quoted here..... have the last word kitty, you think i care? your the fool who thinks shes right. im telling you to PROVE me wrong, but you cant, can you......
Orly now? your not smart enough to understand English then......
theology is the study of the unexplainable. it comes from ancient greek, and in GREEK it means GOD, but were not speaking greek are we? greek to lattin to old english to modern engliush..... we've come a long way......
mugan
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well thx very much but i am very aware of what flushing is, and the stress i was referring to is that that happens due to LEACHING which btw is what flushing really is to us organic growers (learned that the hard way) but organic or inorganic when you flush you can't choose which nutes and minerals are leached and the plant looses a lot of trace minerals thats why not only do the leaves turn yellow but they curl dry turn all other kind of colors, exhibiting the sings of deff of multiple nutes. and am not gonna pretend to know any thing here but i have seen this stress before , once befor with my own plans while i tried the make it rain technique , but as unexperienced organic grower i wasn't able to feed it properly and even tho there was rapid growth lots of the lower leaves turned yellow and had to be sniped.you obviously dont understand "flushing" then. its when you use LOTS of fresh, clean water to clear the nutrient build up in the soil. the run-off from the plant carries away most of the nutrient content of the soil (IE nitrogen....) there is no stress caused.....
the main problem, her plant still has ALL of its fan leaves, there not even yellowing yet. this plant has WAY to much nitrogen to produce dence buds, it will continue to produce leaves instead of calyxes. you want the plant to produce calyxes, and in the last 2 weeks of growth you want those calyxes to swell, adding weight to your plant as well as finishing the THC off properly.
to force the plant to produce calyxes start feeding with 0-X-X ferts after a flush. it will force the plant to use the nitrogen stored in the leaves and produce bud growth. it will also signal the plant that it is dying and increase terpine production.
only if males are present(or a hermy). a female plant can not produce seeds with out pollen. but that is the same survival mechanism which we are looking to key at this point
( sorry Konna for the thread high jack)
mellokitty
Moderatrix of Journals
*sigh*
my science is above, and i could present lots and lots of boring science-ese to back it up.
but i see the people complaining. do me a favour, ok? if we're going to clutter up a thread with your insults, at least take it to my thread, as a courtesy to kona and her viewers? (or yours, if you're more comfortable there....?)
btw, theology is the study of god/s.
my science is above, and i could present lots and lots of boring science-ese to back it up.
but i see the people complaining. do me a favour, ok? if we're going to clutter up a thread with your insults, at least take it to my thread, as a courtesy to kona and her viewers? (or yours, if you're more comfortable there....?)
btw, theology is the study of god/s.
mr.bond
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yeah whats up with all you brainiacs arguing and thread hijacking... I came to say hi to Kona but when i opened the door i was instantly overtaken by a flood of terpenes, terpenoids, organic compounds, and bulllllsheeaatttttt...
go whip out your Precious somewhere else... stonersssssss
hi Kona cant wait to hear how your autoflowers taste
mr. bond
go whip out your Precious somewhere else... stonersssssss
hi Kona
cant wait to hear how your autoflowers tastemr. bond
konagirl420
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Whoa everyone needs to take a hit of this shit and chill out hahahaha!!!!! I like getting all the info I can get and corbat has helped me for a while, I respect everyone's way of doing things, but I might always choose my own too lol !!!!!!! Well just wanted to say hi to everyone and as soon as I get more pics I will post!!!!
Cooter@666
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it's a cat fight! reeeaaaaarrr fsssst fssst...lol... KG your plants look lovely but they need a little longer until they finish, hang in there they'll be done in no time
kevin murphy
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looking forward to new pics hun..hope u ok and garden still strong
konagirl420
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Gonna take some more here in like 20 mins or so!!!!!!
konagirl420
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Ok ya sorry I should not put times up cause I have other stuff going on too and I get distracted lol !!!!!
konagirl420
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