I Feel That Dispensary's Are A Rip Off

[budlover13]

i was calculating based on my own experience as well.

one bag of fox farm for $14 (i can buy for as little as $12.50, but need to spend $2.50 on gas to get it, so the $14 bag is cheaper in the end) can fill 3 of my buckets. i do 6 buckets, so 2 bags per cycle = $28. add perlite, which is $18 for a huge bag that mixes 6 buckets. so $28 + $18 = $46 for one go around that does not pull a pound a month, as your original calculation said. if you want to pull a pound each month, double that.

don't forget the gas money required to get you to the store and back. and i believe that gas goes into a car, which costs money to buy, insure, and maintain.

don't forget that the plants take up a certain percentage of the space of the home, which costs money to rent or buy.

and don't forget that tents are not free and do depreciate, just like lamps, fans, and everything else (a good accountant always factors in depreciation).

and lights don't hang magically from the sky, you need hardware to do so. and you need to go to a store to get it. which costs money as well.

do you grow indoors in the summer? be sure to account for the air conditioning, which takes up many kilowatts.

do you water your plants with free water, or does it come from the tap? do you pay a monthly water bill and use a certain percentage of it on your plants? factor that in.

ever get bugs, mold, etc? factor in the cost to control those issues.

in any case, the calculation i come to is generally in the $105- $120 per ounce range for top shelf, indoor meds.

that is giving away my labor for free, which is in the range of 20-25 hours per week.

So would you be happy receiving $250-300/oz for your "connoisseur" bud while letting me recieve $140/oz for my outdoor mids?

 

[fishwhistle]

"Good pot isnt cheap and Cheap pot isnt good",everything has a cost to it be it in man hours tending your outdoor or in equipment and electricity tending your indoor garden.Good organic grown under the sun weed is great and i wish we could all do it that way but out of neccessity most have to grow underground indoors which runs costs up even higher.If big agribussiness gets involved in producing bud it will be way cheaper but who knows what youll be smoking,some genetically enhanced irradiated bud sprayed with chemicals to keep the bugs/disease away and then sprayed with purple dye to make it appear more appeasing to the eye that they will find out 20 years later gives you cancer?No thanks.I will choose to grow my own or support other like minded individuals and will gladly pay them a fair price for their sweat and overhead.There will always be sheep who just follow along with others and keep the dispensaries in businees because they are too lazy or just dont want to invest the time to grow their own and there is nothing wrong with that if it makes em happy.I do occasionally visit dispensaries and purchase a bit but mostly it is a novelty for me,I have been burning for longer than most on this board have been alive and its cool for me to see it finally coming out of the dark,I hope one day to be able to burn a fatty on my porch as easily as cracking open a beer without being judged by others negatively.Look at it like beer,you can grab a coors light for cheap or you can enjoy a nice handcrafted microwbrew,whatever blows your skirt up,but ultimately the choice is up to you,so if you dont like dispensaries or expensive weed dont patronize the people selling it,its that simple.

 

[budlover13]

"Good pot isnt cheap and Cheap pot isnt good",everything has a cost to it be it in man hours tending your outdoor or in equipment and electricity tending your indoor garden.Good organic grown under the sun weed is great and i wish we could all do it that way but out of neccessity most have to grow underground indoors which runs costs up even higher.If big agribussiness gets involved in producing bud it will be way cheaper but who knows what youll be smoking,some genetically enhanced irradiated bud sprayed with chemicals to keep the bugs/disease away and then sprayed with purple dye to make it appear more appeasing to the eye that they will find out 20 years later gives you cancer?No thanks.I will choose to grow my own or support other like minded individuals and will gladly pay them a fair price for their sweat and overhead.There will always be sheep who just follow along with others and keep the dispensaries in businees because they are too lazy or just dont want to invest the time to grow their own and there is nothing wrong with that if it makes em happy.I do occasionally visit dispensaries and purchase a bit but mostly it is a novelty for me,I have been burning for longer than most on this board have been alive and its cool for me to see it finally coming out of the dark,I hope one day to be able to burn a fatty on my porch as easily as cracking open a beer without being judged by others negatively.Look at it like beer,you can grab a coors light for cheap or you can enjoy a nice handcrafted microwbrew,whatever blows your skirt up,but ultimately the choice is up to you,so if you dont like dispensaries or expensive weed dont patronize the people selling it,its that simple.

Agreed. Personal decisions and responsibility balance out by one's particular tastes. So if i want to grow a section(160 acres) of decent-mid quality cannabis and sell it at $5 a g then i should be able too. Not all people like or need the higher quality right? And THC and cannabinoids are the same chemically in order to fullfill the medical needs. So potency then becomes the issue right?

 

[poplars]

8 x 3gal pots = 24 gallons of soil = 96 quarts of soil in a single 4x4 tent under 1,000 watt hps.

One tent comes down each month, meaning I use 96 quarts of soil every month.

64 quart bags of miracle grow moisture control soil is about $13. 96/64 x $13 = $19.50

I did forget to add the perlite into the equation. I'm still running strong on my second $20 bag, though I have been scaling up production as I learn. I would say less than $10/mo for the perlite, and certainly less than $40/mo for final soil mixture.

so essentially indoor bud should be much cheaper than outdoor.

 

[UncleBuck]

So would you be happy receiving $250-300/oz for your "connoisseur" bud while letting me recieve $140/oz for my outdoor mids?

like i said earlier, i let my excess meds go for $5 g or so, which is almost exactly what it costs me to produce them and all i'm allowed to do under state law.

that is $140/oz, as i give no price breaks (that would be illegal, since production costs are the same for every gram i produce).

i would have no problem, if i was allowed, getting rid of it at $10/g, which is what the market will bear. would i feel bad about the 100% markup?

not bloody likely. we all need to eat.

i simply abide by what the market says.

 

[budlover13]

like i said earlier, i let my excess meds go for $5 g or so, which is almost exactly what it costs me to produce them and all i'm allowed to do under state law.

that is $140/oz, as i give no price breaks (that would be illegal, since production costs are the same for every gram i produce).

i would have no problem, if i was allowed, getting rid of it at $10/g, which is what the market will bear. would i feel bad about the 100% markup?

not bloody likely. we all need to eat.

i simply abide by what the market says.

Then you and i see eye to eye. i'm not saying ALL bud should be at $5/g. Just that the market's supply and demand should be responsible for the prices. A dispensary with different grades of bud that are more scientifically rated. $5/g outdoor, $10 g good outdoor/indoor, $5-?/g for all high-high quality. i think it would work out.

 

[UncleBuck]

Then you and i see eye to eye. i'm not saying ALL bud should be at $5/g. Just that the market's supply and demand should be responsible for the prices. A dispensary with different grades of bud that are more scientifically rated. $5/g outdoor, $10 g good outdoor/indoor, $5-?/g for all high-high quality. i think it would work out.

exactly. let the market set the price.

hell, i can go out right now and buy a $12 pint of beer if i want, or i can spend $4 and get a 6 pack. i personally like the $4 beer better than the super duper fancy microbrews, but to each his own.

i am also for an assistance program for those suffering financial hardships that truly need meds, like terminal cancer patients and whatnot. that is the only exception to just letting the market do its thing.

 

[gfreeman]

so variety is ultimately what we want. we want options with prices that correlate with quality. i understand

 

[budlover13]

i'm seeing lights come on and a gathering of the masses!

 

[NotYouAgain]

Nice ad hominem attacks Not(pun just worked out ).

Let me more clearly state my intent and hopefully can get a non-egotistical response.

An UNmAniPUlateD free market. If you think there is not MAJOR manipulation of market, especially this one, all the Cornell eduacation in the world won't help you understand my position.

The market is manipulated by the same thing that regulates all free market economies, it's known as the invisible hand. There is no OPEC of marijuana dispensaries. A dispensary could charge 20% less than others and see an increase in sales, but since PoS isn't an economy of scale, who's to say they would see an increase in revenue?

Could explain why food grown domestically isn't marked up 500% of PoS purchase price, and why food produced in foreign countries may have that mark-up, but the purchase price by PoS retailer is substantially lower.

Everything is relative, and you're too blinded by ignorance to understand the economic implications of opening and running a dispensary. Please don't ever leave your line of work to start up a small business with your aversion to making a profit.

 

[gfreeman]

ooh harsh words. harsh man, like a resin ball hit out of a aluminum foil pipe. haarrssshhh.

 

[poplars]

i'm seeing lights come on and a gathering of the masses!

for sure I'd call this thread a success.

 

[gfreeman]

i call this thread...... thready, the magical enlightening thread that empowers us to look beyond the words and into the meaning, meaning of life, which represents a panda in heat of the sarangetti........

was that off topic?

 

[0011StealTH]

so variety is ultimately what we want. we want options with prices that correlate with quality. i understand

yes. agree

 

[UncleBuck]

...you're too blinded by ignorance to understand the economic implications of opening and running a dispensary. Please don't ever leave your line of work to start up a small business with your aversion to making a profit.

see4, is that you?

being harsh and mean and insulting didn't do you too well the first time around, now did it?

perhaps we can tone it down and disagree without being disagreeable.

besides, it's getting all kumbaya in here. even the op has realized we should be able to charge for meds at whatever price the market bears.

 

[budlover13]

The market is manipulated by the same thing that regulates all free market economies, it's known as the invisible hand. There is no OPEC of marijuana dispensaries. A dispensary could charge 20% less than others and see an increase in sales, but since PoS isn't an economy of scale, who's to say they would see an increase in revenue?

Could explain why food grown domestically isn't marked up 500% of PoS purchase price, and why food produced in foreign countries may have that mark-up, but the purchase price by PoS retailer is substantially lower.

Everything is relative, and you're too blinded by ignorance to understand the economic implications of opening and running a dispensary. Please don't ever leave your line of work to start up a small business with your aversion to making a profit.

Cheap, immoral, substandard labor wages help make that work SOMEONE'S getting kickbacks from overseas.

And i'll do ok. MOST don't want me to continue starting up b/c i will undercut them everytime for the same quality bud. Lack of ego helps.

 

[budlover13]

see4, is that you?

being harsh and mean and insulting didn't do you too well the first time around, now did it?

perhaps we can tone it down and disagree without being disagreeable.

besides, it's getting all kumbaya in here. even the op has realized we should be able to charge for meds at whatever price the market bears.

"Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbya!"

 

[gfreeman]

kumbaya!?
kumbaya means camp fire, which means smores.
where the fuck are the smores? budlover you listen here, and listen close.
you holding out on smores and im going to be getting rancid real quik ya hur?

*IDEA*
has anyone ever tried making cannibus smores? i think this fkn fire deserves some cannibus +smores. in that order.

 

[budlover13]

kumbaya!?
kumbaya means camp fire, which means smores.
where the fuck are the smores? budlover you listen here, and listen close.
you holding out on smores and im going to be getting rancid real quik ya hur?

*IDEA*
has anyone ever tried making cannibus smores? i think this fkn fire deserves some cannibus +smores. in that order.

I'm ALWAYS down for fire with FIRE!

Not holding out. Couldn't do that to a fellow stoner!

And i will test cannabis smores with my next harvest!!!!!

 

[gfreeman]

omg yes this shoudl be a new project. cannismores.
smoribus. w.e we need people in there kitchens now testing this recipe. someone start a fkin thread: TEST KITCHEN, Bud smores attempt 1.