Marijuana like Wine: Judge Jim Gray is about to File Legalization Initiative

Ernst

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Marijuana like Wine : Judge Jim Gray is about to file legalization Initiative

Today's news includes an email announcing a voter Initiative to legalize cannabis in California.

I have a great deal of respect for Judge Jim Gray and I am setting aside my personal conviction of horticulture only for 2012 to say that 25 flowering plants sounds reasonable for average private horticulture.

I have not reviewed this Initiative fully so I look forward to a mature discussion here hopefully, if that is possible.

First is the article that I received and second is the proposed initiative.

Texts follow.
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/former-judge-to-file-initiative-to-regulate-marijuana-122028784.html

Retired Superior Court judge wants marijuana strictly regulated and kept away from minors and will file voter initiative Wednesday with Attorney General to regulate marijuana like wine


SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, Calif., May 17, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- He was once a determined drug warrior, but now former Assistant US Attorney and Superior Court Judge James P. Gray believes the time has come to take marijuana out of the black market and regulate it instead. After years of witnessing the harm caused by outlawing marijuana, Judge Gray will file a voter initiative this Wednesday with the California Attorney General's office that will regulate marijuana like wine.
A press conference has been scheduled for 11AM in front of the AG's office at 1300 I Street. Also present at the press conference will be the initiative's principle author and chief counsel, William McPike, as well as the chief officer for the campaign, Steve Kubby.
"Our policy of marijuana prohibition has failed from every standpoint imaginable: unnecessary prison growth, increased taxes, increased crime and corruption here and abroad, loss of civil liberties, decreased health, and diversion of resources that are needed to address other problems in society," Gray said.
Gray added that he is especially concerned about the disastrous effects of outlawing marijuana on families and kids, effects he has witnessed for himself as a judge and federal prosecutor. "Far from protecting our children, our present policy is actually recruiting them to a lifestyle of drug usage and drug selling," charged Gray.
The former Orange County judge will file a new voter initiative that will regulate and tax marijuana like wine, keep it from those under 21 years of age and provide for billions of new dollars in state sales tax from the regulated sales of marijuana. Recently, the Franchise Tax Board reported that state taxes just from medical marijuana dispensaries now amounts to over $100 million per year.
When challenged over the wisdom of allowing for sales to adults 21 and older, Gray has no doubts that it is time to regulate marijuana and take it out of the black market. "Many things in our society are dangerous, but making them illegal is not the answer. Does anyone really believe that making tobacco illegal would reduce the harm it causes? What about glue, gasoline, chain saws and high cholesterol foods? Further, if you think about it, we have at least some controls with regard to the sales and use of alcohol and tobacco, because they are regulated by the government. We have no controls at all with marijuana, because it is currently controlled by the mob," Gray emphasized.
A copy of Judge Gray's voter initiative and one minute video can be viewed at the Regulate Marijuana Like Wine website: http://regulatemarijuanalikewine.com/.
Sponsored by the Committee to Regulate Marijuana Like Wine 2012, campaign ID #1336887.
SOURCE Regulate Marijuana Like Wine
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/former-judge-to-file-initiative-to-regulate-marijuana-122028784.html#linktopagetop
http://regulatemarijuanalikewine.com/
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Text of the proposed initiative.
http://regulatemarijuanalikewine.com/

The People of the State of California do enact as follows:
[SIZE=+2]The Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act of 2012[/SIZE]


SECTION 1. Findings, Declarations, Purpose, Directives, and Orders

New Section 11362.95 is added to the Health and Safety Code:

11362.95. This section shall be known as and may be cited as the "Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act of 2012," known hereinafter as the "Act."

(a) The People of the State of California hereby find and declare:

(1) Outlawing marijuana has not reduced its availability and has actually resulted in making it easier for minors to acquire.

(2) Marijuana is an untapped revenue source for the State of California, and that the best way to tap into that source for the benefit of all Californians is to tax and regulate it.

(3) The regulation of marijuana will benefit the People of the State of California by reducing criminal gang activity, promoting agriculture, creating jobs by creating a new hemp industry in the State of California, and reduce the fiscal and overpopulation burdens on the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.


(b) The purposes of this Act are as follows:

(1) To amend the California Health and Safety Code sections 11357, 11358, 11359, 11360, 11366, 11366.5, 11485, and Vehicle Code section 23222(b), such that persons 21 years of age or older shall no longer be prohibited from the use, possession, trade, gifting, sales, distribution, storage, transportation, production, or cultivation of marijuana.

(2) Marijuana, THC, and CBD explicitly and/or by inference, shall be removed from Health and Safety Code section 11054, except for those statutes pertaining to:

(A) Operating a motor vehicle;

(B) Using marijuana or being impaired in the workplace or public nonsmoking areas.

(C) Providing, transferring, or selling marijuana to a person under 21 years of age; and

(D) The use, possession, cultivation, processing, sales, distribution, transporting, or storing on premises of marijuana by persons under 21 years of age.


(3) The amendment of statutes that criminalize the use, possession, cultivation, processing, transportation, storage, distribution, gifting and/or selling of marijuana in any form, or method of ingestion by persons 21 years of age or older, to legalize all such for-profit or non-profit activity by those persons, groups, or by approved business entities, and does not subject these persons/entities to search, arrest, prosecution, seizure, asset forfeiture, and/or any criminal or civil penalty or sanction.

(4) That these enumerated activities are not punishable herein.

(5) That all pending court actions under said amended statutes that conflict with the provisions of this Act shall be dismissed with prejudice.


(c) The People of the State of California hereby declare that this Act expressly prohibits the following:

(1) The search, arrest, prosecution, seizure of marijuana, asset forfeiture, or imposition of any criminal or civil penalties or fines for persons 21 years of age or older or entities for acting within the provisions of this Act. Without limiting any other greater immunity or rights granted herein, these persons/entities are also granted the immunity specified in Health and Safety Code section 11367, subject to its provisions.

(2) Any and all commercial advertising of the sales, distribution, and use of marijuana, except for medical marijuana and products that contain less than one percent THC. This provision shall be enforced hereafter by penalties to be set forth by the Legislature.


(d) The People of the State of California hereby expressly declare that this Act does not repeal, modify, or change any present medical marijuana statutes as set forth in California Proposition 215 and its progeny.

(e) The People of the State of California hereby declare:

(1) This Act adopts the definitions of marijuana and THC as they are presently set forth in Health and Safety Code Sections 11018 and 11006.5, but those definitions shall be broadly interpreted to include the species Cannabis Indica, Ruderalis, and Americana, as well as any plant part, derivative, interspecies hybrids or cross-breeds, and all non-genetically-modified strains of the Cannabis genus and plant.

(2) Existing taxes and regulations for the establishment of the farming, industry, distribution, retail sales, and wholesale transactions of agricultural crops and products shall apply to marijuana, regardless of THC level, using the grape winery industry as a model, so long as the results support these declarations, purposes and goals.

(3) All marijuana or hemp products with a THC level below one percent shall be authorized for normal retail sales. All marijuana or hemp products with a THC level of one percent or above shall be restricted for normal retail sales to persons 21 years of age or older and regulated in a manner similar to wine, so long as the results support these declarations, purposes and goals.

(4) The State of California, and all branches of its government, shall liberally construe the meaning and implementation of this Act to favor and benefit individuals, and qualifying business entities regarding the following:

(A) No taxes, fees, laws, rules, regulations, or local city or county zoning requirements may be adopted or enacted to defeat, deny, or prohibit the purposes of this Act, or to defeat, deny, or prohibit persons 21 years of age or older, associations, organizations commercial, agricultural, or industrial businesses from engaging in the activities protected by this Act, and all civil rights apply as set forth in Civil Code Sections 52.1 et seq., 54, Food and Agricultural Code Sections 54033 through 54035, inclusive.

(B) As per the winery regulations of the alcohol industry model that allow for non-commercial home brewing, any person, association, or collective group not producing more than 25 flowering plants or 12 pounds of dried processed marijuana per adult, per year, shall be exempt from any winery regulations of the alcohol industry model, excises, fees, and taxes, except for income taxes and sales taxes, if they apply.

(C) No regulations, taxes, or fees shall be enacted or imposed for marijuana for qualifying persons and entities, which are more severe or restrictive than those for comparable and reasonable usage in the commercial wine grape farming and winery regulations of the alcohol industry model, including for farming, planting, cultivating, irrigating, harvesting, processing, brokering, storing, selling, distributing, and establishing of cooperatives or collective associations.


(5) Regardless of jurisdictional arguments, all state, local, elected, appointed, hired employees, officers, and officials shall refuse to and shall not cooperate with or assist federal, state, or local officials or employees who would eradicate marijuana, act for seizure or forfeiture, or defeat any liberally construed purpose of this Act, or to operate under any contract or arrangement to repeal or circumvent this Act directly or indirectly, or to follow or to abide by any federal laws or regulations that are in conflict with this Act. Further, no such person acting alone, or with any other person or legislative or executive body, may contract or agree to cooperate with or to assist federal officials, employees, agencies or departments to obtain any money, property, gain, or advantage by the arrest, prosecution, conviction, or deprivation or seizure of property of anyone acting within the age provisions of this Act.

(6) Within 30 days of passage of this Act, the offices of both the state Attorney General and the Department of Public Health shall inform the United States Department of Health and Human Services, the United States Attorney General, Congress, Drug Enforcement Agency, and Food and Drug Administration that in 1996 the state of California recognized the current medical use of marijuana in treatment in the United States, and since 1996 is a state-regulated medical practice. Physicians have evaluated thousands of patients who have used marijuana with no adverse consequences, and for that reason demands or petitions as is appropriate (see 21 CFR 1308.43, 21 USC 811-812) that marijuana and tetrahydrocannabinols as defined in §21 USC 802(16) be removed from Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, 21 USC 800 et. seq., where it is currently listed as a drug with no accepted medical use.

(7) The State of California is ordered to protect and defend all provisions of this Act from any and all challenges or litigation, whether from individuals, officials, cities, counties, the state or federal governments.


(f) In order to protect the public health and safety, the People of the State of California hereby require the state Department of Health to deputize persons who are 21 years of age or older and apply as unpaid, unarmed, volunteer peace officers, hereinafter known as Harm Reduction Officers (HROs), who are required to compel implementation and enforce all provisions of this Act.

(1) These persons, upon registration and payment of a nonrefundable training and materials fee, not to exceed $200, must complete a minimum of two days training in the following curriculum areas:

(A) State and federal Cannabis laws and regulations;

(B) Indoor and outdoor cultivation hazards and safe practices;

(C) Applicable fire, building, environmental, labor, and safety codes; and

(D) The state and federal Bills of Rights and appropriate civil rights, including 18 USC §241 and 242 and Civil Code Sections 52.1 et seq., and 54.


(2) Training shall be privately contracted. Training shall be repeated by HROs every three years, and curriculum updates shall be provided to HROs annually.

(3) Upon completion of training, a certificate of completion shall be issued to the trainee, who may then take the certificate to any state Department of Health office, law enforcement agency, or to any Superior Court judge, where they shall be deputized as Department of Health peace officers and shall take the oath of office as specified in Article XX, Section 3 of the California Constitution. Upon payment of the processing fee to the Department of Health, not to exceed $100, a HRO shall be issued a photo identification card, which shall be identical throughout the state.

(4) The HROs shall be charged with the duty of compelling persons to comply with this Act by informing persons of compliance requirements or perceived violations, and reporting actual uncorrected violations to law enforcement for follow-up action.

(5) By their status of being peace officers, HROs shall be considered to be in full compliance with both 21 USC §885(d) and Health and Safety Code section 11367, and therefore shall be immune from all state and federal liability and prosecution for enforcing and operating under the provisions of this Act.

(6) The training and certification requirements of this paragraph shall be applicable only to HROs, and the provisions of Penal Code sections 832 et seq. shall not apply to HROs or to this paragraph.


(g) This Act shall become effective immediately upon passage.

SECTION 2. Severability

If any of the provisions of this Act, or any part thereof, is for any reason held to be invalid or unconstitutional, the remaining provisions shall not be affected, but shall remain in full force and effect, and to this end the provisions of this Act are severable.

SECTION 3. Conflicting Measures

If this Act is approved by the voters but superseded by law by any other conflicting ballot measure approved by the voters at the same election, and the conflicting measures are later held invalid, this Act shall be self-executing and given the full force of law.​


 

Ernst

Well-Known Member
The first thing I notice is that the language is much more concise than tax2010.

It reads to me that if I were to want to grow 25 pounds as a private citizen I could sell it. Does anyone agree or disagree with this assumption?

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That video is a smooth well produced 1 minute experience. Very positive and professional.

I'm worried that California Voters will still vote no on Cannabis Commerce but I just donated to the effort anyway.
I will hang on to my fears and back Judge Gray. He was kind enough to Email chat with me way back so I am going to see how I can be of help.
This effort looks much more solid than the Tax2010 effort.
Another thing is it's early and politically timely on the need for positive news with California's budget problem still looming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AglSG7NpOkI The Nixon video : Very Professional.
 

Luger187

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looks pretty good to me. i dont think the harm reduction officer idea will go very far though. how many people are going to pay to volunteer? and theyre supposed to learn all the safety codes along with everything else in 2 days?
 

KOOdO

Well-Known Member
dude any legalization of cannibus is only a good thing!!! w00t hopefully theres a domino effect into other states once this goes into effect
 

Ernst

Well-Known Member
Ernst: 25 plants for personal use? Either you're a terrible grower, or you have an enormous pot problem. :lol:
Yeah I just might have to improve my skills.

Nice to think I can grow out a cross. 25 plants should work to be enough to find the breeders you want to keep. Not as effective as a 99 plant grow-out but good enough for private horticulture.

Now for those of you who do not donate, you get to take over my position as forum problem number one :).

Go see the videos and in California or not Donate today and often.

They need ad money big time!
 

Girdweed

Well-Known Member
We can grow 24 plants in Ak. This bill sounds much better. The 12 lb limit per adult per year seems a little high but I much prefer it to our dinky little qp rule.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
This law would ban geneticaly engineered marijuana but it does not define what that engineering is. I cannot vote for a bill that does that.
 

Ernst

Well-Known Member
Canndo, Did the recent patent of canniboids do anything to ban genetically engineered marijuana?

Oh and which parts do you see accomplishing the ban if you don't mind.
 

Bonzi Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
The first thing I notice is that the language is much more concise than tax2010.

It reads to me that if I were to want to grow 25 pounds as a private citizen I could sell it. Does anyone agree or disagree with this assumption?
B) As per the winery regulations of the alcohol industry model that allow for non-commercial home brewing, any person, association, or collective group not producing more than 25 flowering plants or 12 pounds of dried processed marijuana per adult, per year, shall be exempt from any winery regulations of the alcohol industry model, excises, fees, and taxes, except for income taxes and sales taxes, if they apply.

12 lbs per year for personal use and "distribution, gifting and/or selling of marijuana in any form" with the overs. There are already regs in place to differentiate between Hobby income and business income.

I'd say yes you could produce 12# per year and do what ever you wanted with it. 25# exceeds the limits but I see a loophole as I am wrighting.

 

ink the world

Well-Known Member
Thats all well and good, BUT;

The Feds arent gonna cave in. I am a legal caregiver in Maine, we got this dropped on us today:

"The U.S. Attorney in Maine has sent a letter to state legislators saying Maine's decade-old medical marijuana act contradicts federal law and that the U.S. Department of Justice is concerned about pending changes to the state law."...."the department does not focus its limited resources on seriously ill individuals who use marijuana as part of a medically recommended treatment regimen in compliance with state law ... we will enforce the (Controlled Substances Act) vigorously against individuals and organizations that participate in unlawful manufacturing and distribution activity involving marijuana, even if such activities are permitted under state law."

Until we get legislation on the Federal level, all the state laws that get passed dont mean shit. We are all barking up the wrong tree.
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
Thats all well and good, BUT;

The Feds arent gonna cave in. I am a legal caregiver in Maine, we got this dropped on us today:

"The U.S. Attorney in Maine has sent a letter to state legislators saying Maine's decade-old medical marijuana act contradicts federal law and that the U.S. Department of Justice is concerned about pending changes to the state law."...."the department does not focus its limited resources on seriously ill individuals who use marijuana as part of a medically recommended treatment regimen in compliance with state law ... we will enforce the (Controlled Substances Act) vigorously against individuals and organizations that participate in unlawful manufacturing and distribution activity involving marijuana, even if such activities are permitted under state law."

Until we get legislation on the Federal level, all the state laws that get passed dont mean shit. We are all barking up the wrong tree.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

im pretty sure the constitution doesnt mention marijuana, so the states have the right to control it however they want. the feds dont really have a say in the matter
 

Ernst

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You all know how popular I am here for supporting a Horticulture, use and trade for private non-commercial citizens.

Anyway for your reading enjoyment my second letter to the editor was published and made Google Alerts this time.

http://www.modbee.com/2011/05/19/1694485/legalize-noncommercial-pot.html#disqus_thread

With 25 flowering plants and I assume clones are not included so we can have backups of our crosses and save back-cross plants I see like wine working for me and others who wish to breed plants for fun and future people.

I'd still say Commerce language is a problem but I have to admit the professional image and language of RMLW (regulate marijuana like wine ) is impressive.

Right now the mood around town with most folks about legalizing is that they are asleep to political things.

If this is to gain steam we will have to beat the drum and do it sooner rather than later.
I donated and I will again but you all need to as well.

State level ads will be needed so every dollar is valuable.

I hope we see some news on how it goes...

I know this has to be reviewed and I know we are early but I will fight for the right for people to save genetics for the future people.

I'm open minded here so let loose the dogs of debate on this..

I read there is a loophole... There is language that doesn't define genetic modification well..

Are there other concerns?
 

Ernst

Well-Known Member
I donated yesterday and volunteered today.

Please donate now and often to RegulateMarijuanaLikeWine.com EMAIL: [email protected] STATE CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER 1336887
POST OFFICE BOX 13591, SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, CALIFORNIA 96151
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
This law would ban geneticaly engineered marijuana but it does not define what that engineering is. I cannot vote for a bill that does that.
wow. talk about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. that's a very specific request and unlikely to be found in any legalization ballot measure. Saying that basically makes you against legalization since no legalization effort will have that included.
 

fishwhistle

Active Member
Checks in the mail,right on judge gray!As more states legalize medical/personal use the feds will be forced to follow suit eventually.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
wow. talk about letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. that's a very specific request and unlikely to be found in any legalization ballot measure. Saying that basically makes you against legalization since no legalization effort will have that included.
I read both versions of the marijuana like alcohol and marijuana like wine propositions - in both they attempt to make geneticaly modified cannabis illegal. Dan, if you follow my journal you may realize that I intend to do some genetic modification in the near future. I can't see that portion of any prop being later removed or altered.
 

Dan Kone

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I read both versions of the marijuana like alcohol and marijuana like wine propositions - in both they attempt to make geneticaly modified cannabis illegal. Dan, if you follow my journal you may realize that I intend to do some genetic modification in the near future. I can't see that portion of any prop being later removed or altered.
I think I misinterpreted your post. I thought you didn't like it because the laws outlawing genetic modifications didn't go far enough.
 
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