If atheist don't have Faith, how do They buy Faith n Evolution???

[weed4cash]

I just watched a National Geographics on how the world was created. PURE BULLSHIT! ha ha ha! I lost count of how many times they said BELIEVE in the show.

It was we BELIEVE this and we BELIEVE that....

Yep, that's science all right. Make REAL looking propaganda and use the BELIEVE loop hole to seal the deal.


But you athiest. how do you put life into perspective. I'm not bashing Athiest, I'm just asking how you get buy with an answer to the beginning if you can't lean on faith.


I'm just asking because Christians get bashed for always giving athiest the same old answer. But athiest...well we hear the same answer from YOU too. HA HA

I guess we just believe what ever we feel fits our acceptable reasoning.

But Christians have a history to read. Real people wrote the Bible. Real events, real people, real time line.

Athiest don't have that. They have speculation and science to give them HOPE but really who can PROVE science?

I mean a lot of shit has changes since they tried to PUSH evolution down MY throught when I was a kid. I had to deal with a LOT of propaganda. Fucking ape man villages, and cave man half humans. It was more like science fiction then science. Schools today don't show NEARLY as much of that shit as they used to.

Did you know that Evolutionist today disagree more then ever on the theory? I could look up the amount of theories out there but most athiest that pay attention would know what I'm talking about.

Really, is a Christian standpoint any different? I mean if we will some day be GODS why could a GOD not have made us?

Does any one doubt that we will some day be GODS our self the way we are going? Seriously.

 

[Dick Moser]

i am the closest thing to a god i have ever seen, i have brought life into this world and i have ended it, i have died and yet still live. i can only answer your question based on my views so im sorry but i cant speak for the "athiests" but am happy to see the"christians" have found another spokesperson. my beilive is that something beyond comprehsion allowed for the right conditions (dirt water light) for life and shit happened. just becuase the sientist puts the rat in the maze looking for that lemon haze doesnt mean that he made the rat or the weed hes just a douch in a lab coat. so if you have found god thats AWESOME, but wheres he staying at these days????? the red lion??? holiday inn???? you let me know and ill go have a sit down with the guy and see if i cant give you some answers. and p.s. christianty is a money making venture, you think that an orginazation that has been around making FATTY cash since BEFORE this "god" was ever printed on paper, is gonna let ANYTHING fuck with that then you need to ask kanasas how they teach evolution now.

 

[Dick Moser]

i have faith in me and mary and that more then all i have ever needed to get super weeded and it aint never seeded. stay medicated bible man.

 

[DB&ST]

dude, atheist don't believe in any religion or in any god.

we don't try to give answers to your questions, we just don't believe your answers...

us don't having any better answers then you do don't make you right.

 

[Dick Moser]

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But Christians have a history to read. Real people wrote the Bible. Real events, real people, real time line.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA read a direct translation of the origanl hewbrew text (its gonna be hard to find) not this bull shit KING JAMES NEW TEST and you will find that christ our savior beat women and children who prayed to hethnean gods with a cat of nine tails to strip them of their sinful flesh that they might be wrapped in the light of god, had men burned and villages razed, but hell dude WE ALL NEED A MARyTER RIGHT and let me ask you since you were there, how did johna survie in the whale? how did sulfur and brimstone appear out f clear skys, what made the nile run blood red, and for love of GOD how did the red sea part with such ease....cause it seems like miracles used to be pretty plentyful a dime a dozen dont you think??? oh wait your a christian, you dont need to someone else does that for you.

 

[fdd2blk]

a magic man floating in the sky.

that beats an ape man village person any day of the week.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Not being an atheist, I cannot speak for them.

I can only speak for myself.

The theory of evolution is not a religion. It requires no faith.

Evidence is all it requires. And it has that in spades.

But a zombie savior? Now that requires faith.

 

[weed4cash]

Yea, that's the PAT answer for athiest. Show me proof.

But ask them if they believe in science and all it's answers and the answer is usually "yes" and I guess that is because science is SMRT.... Right?

I have news for you. They have TRIED to replicate life from nothing or at least from it's simplist forms and FAILED.

Got that?

FAILED.

So us HUMANS can't even get life started but supposedly it happened by accident???


Really? Can I sit down with the Evolution God and have a chat with him?

Can I sit down with the Chance God and have a chat with him?

Because looking at the univers in all it's perfection and all it's glory is really hard for me with out the knowledge of the Gospel I have and with out the knowledge of Jesus.

But then I am a christian. I live breath and sleep the life of some one Godly. I guess that I have a bit more to loose then you.


But you have nothing to loose. So it's easy for you to just assume...

That's the difference between us. You don't give a shit and I do.

 

[weed4cash]

Ok, science...

Hmm lets look at science....

Oh shit, look at all those different scientist making up theories about how life started.

WOW, so you have FAITH in ALL those theories?

Would you like me to put them in a book for you so you can read them all and pray about it?

 

[robert 14617]

everyone should have something to believe in i believe i will get me another beer

 

[weed4cash]

a magic man floating in the sky.

that beats an ape man village person any day of the week.

Today as we leave the twentieth century, we still face the biggest unsolved problem that we had when we entered the twentieth century: How did life originate on Earth?
Jeffrey Bada, Earth, February 1998, p. 40

 

[Dick Moser]

haha talk about giving a shit...it looks like you just took a fat steamer on my screen....why did you even start this post???? you have got a couple of what replies i would consider to be EXCATLY the responses you where looking for (an explonation of why we can live happy free un brainfucked lives) and yet you still thump your bible and preach your "HOLIER THEN THOU" "PROTECTED AND PROVEN BY MY FAITH" hypocritical nonsense. so im done with this thread, as i was hopeing we might have got a convert all you are is a thumper (i can hear that leather bound piece of shit from here)

 

[weed4cash]

The classification of humans and their relatives has changed considerably over time. The gracile Australopithecines are now thought to be ancestors of the genus Homo, the group to which modern humans belong. Both Australopithecines and Homo sapiens are part of the tribe Hominini. Recent data suggests Australopithecines were a diverse group and that A. africanus may not be a direct ancestor of modern humans.

See? all the bullshit you learned in school was false. FAITH or FACT?

 

[DB&ST]

The classification of humans and their relatives has changed considerably over time. The gracile Australopithecines are now thought to be ancestors of the genus Homo, the group to which modern humans belong. Both Australopithecines and Homo sapiens are part of the tribe Hominini. Recent data suggests Australopithecines were a diverse group and that A. africanus may not be a direct ancestor of modern humans.

See? all the bullshit you learned in school was false. FAITH or FACT?

ok, your right man.
there is a god, and jeasus, and the bible is all facts.

can we go now? \:

 

[fdd2blk]

Today as we leave the twentieth century, we still face the biggest unsolved problem that we had when we entered the twentieth century: How did life originate on Earth?
Jeffrey Bada, Earth, February 1998, p. 40

an even BIGGER problem today seems to be with church members molesting little boys. wtf is wrong with YOU people?

 

[weed4cash]

And what the hell since we are talking about it lets review some fakes:

Piltdown Man: An Orang-utan Jaw and a Human Skull! 1912


Nebraska Man: A Single Pig Tooth

In 1922, Henry Fairfield Osborn, the director of the American Museum of Natural History, declared that he had found a fossil molar tooth belonging to the Pliocene period in western Nebraska near Snake Brook. This tooth allegedly bore common characteristics of both man and ape. An extensive scientific debate began surrounding this fossil, which came to be called "Nebraska man", in which some interpreted this tooth as belonging to Pithecanthropus erectus, while others claimed it was closer to human beings. Nebraska man was also immediately given a "scientific name", Hesperopithecus haroldcooki.

The picture on the left was drawn on the basis of a single tooth and it was published in the Illustrated London News magazine on July 24, 1922. However, the evolutionists were extremely disappointed when it was revealed that this tooth belonged neither to an ape-like creature nor to a man, but rather to an extinct pig species.

one more? Why not, we all had to suffer though this in high school instead of learning the value of our own soul.

OTA BENGA: "The pygmy in the zoo"​

Ota Benga was captured in 1904 by an evolutionist researcher in the Congo. In his own tongue, his name meant "friend". He had a wife and two children. Chained and caged like an animal, he was taken to the USA where evolutionist scientists displayed him to the public in the St Louis World Fair along with other ape species and introduced him as "the closest transitional link to man". Two years later, they took him to the Bronx Zoo in New York and there they exhibited him under the denomination of "ancient ancestors of man" along with a few chimpanzees, a gorilla named Dinah, and an orang-utan called Dohung. Dr William T. Hornaday, the zoo's evolutionist director gave long speeches on how proud he was to have this exceptional "transitional form" in his zoo and treated caged Ota Benga as if he were an ordinary animal. Unable to bear the treatment he was subjected to, Ota Benga eventually committed suicide.

 

[fdd2blk]

http://www.weirdload.com/stats.html


Catholic Pedophile Priests:
The Effect on US Society

[FONT=Times New Roman,Georgia,Times]The many flaws and omissions in the official report
still cannot hide that this is a crisis of historical proportions.[/FONT]

[SIZE=+1]T[/SIZE]he National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People established by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has not had an easy time of determining the extent of the sexual abuse of minors within the American Roman Catholic Church. Not surprisingly, there has been considerable internal opposition. This resistance was so bad that long before its work was finished, its chairman, Frank Keating, was forced to resign after he compared the Church's actions to the Cosa Nostra, which rather proved his point.
Unfortunately, however, these initial numbers are likely to be the only official accounting ever done by the Roman Catholic Church. As soon as the report was published, the UCCB acted swiftly to cut the National Review Board's feet out from under it. For this was to be the preliminary report; the audits were to be completed and a larger report issued. Furthermore, the Board had planned further follow-up reports to follow the implementation of their proposals.
That will not happen now. And so the Church has squandered its last, best chance of ever coming clean.
Certainly the fact that the report was reluctantly commissioned by the bishops who have been responsible for the crisis does not reflect well on its credibility. Nor does the fact that they only reason they ever did so was due to the constant and unrelenting pressure since the early 1990s by victims and advocacy groups, and later, the news media — not to mention the drain on their treasuries from huge settlements and dwindling contributions.
Many dioceses with much to hide did not want to co-operate. Religious orders, the report acknowleges, were even worse. The results are still missing from some groups, and the rest are spinning their denials and minimalizations as fast at their highly paid PR firms can turn. And as it's all self-reported, there is no guarantee of any kind of completeness nor accuracy.
The focus was criticized as too narrow, being concerned solely with child sexual abuse. Other situations where clerics have sexually acted out with adult women and men, nuns and seminarians, have not been looked at; nor the effect on any offspring they may have sired in the process. For that matter, the personal cost to victims and their families remains uncounted. How many lives destroyed through alcohol, drugs, unsafe sex or violence have there been? How much abuse has been repeated by its victims? How many suicides and ruined families? How can the total cost ever be calculated?
There has been much complaining by victims, also, that only a handful were asked to testify, that there was too little time and too many restrictions. Many, too, point out that not all victims have yet come forward by any means. Indeed, even if there are no new cases, just the repressed memories alone of the still-unrecognized victims will guarantee that these numbers will only increase over the next twenty years.
And nothing has been said about multiple abusers and rings who swapped victims around like trading cards...
Nonetheless, A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States has generated a fog of figures, which cannot obscure the extent of this massive failure of institutional religion. It is indeed a crisis. Though this is a step forward, it is not the solution by any means, but a half-hearted admission that there is a problem.
Here are a few of the highlights.
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• US clerics (priests, deacons, bishops, etc.) accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.
  About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years.
• Individuals making accusations: 10,667.
• Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.
• Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female
• Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer.
• Victims per priest: 55.7% with one alleged victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations).
• Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.
• Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)

It should be noted that 30% of all accusations included in these figures were not investigated as they were deemed unsubstantiated (10%) or because the accused priest was dead or inactive (20%). They do not include allegations that were "unfounded" or later recanted.
In any case, all these figures are widely suspected to be grossly underestimated. For example, the late Fr. Tom Economus, former President of the Linkup, a national survivors' advocacy group, said back in the mid-90s that he knew of "1,400 insurance claims on the books and that the Church has paid out over $1 billion in liability with an estimated $500 million pending." (Emphasis added.)
He also said that over 800 priests had been removed from ministry and that there might be as many as 5,000 with allegations against them, which is not that far off. He often claimed that by far the most calls he received from all victims of any kind of clergy abuse were those from males who suffered abuse in their youth in the Catholic Church. Certainly the numbers, which show that the highest number of victims were 12 year old boys and that 80% of the abuse was homosexual in nature, validate that anecodotal evidence, too. In fact, while the numbers of young children and girls did not vary much, the report shows an astounding six-fold increase in the abuse of boys aged 11-17 between the 1950s and 70s. And the figures for males stayed high through the 1980s.
Could it be that once the exits were opened by Vatican II, the good priests who could departed to marry, and the maladjusted ones who remained were left to their own devices?
In any case, Fr. Tom Doyle, a canon lawyer with more experience than any in these cases, has raised many questions over the validity and methodology of the study. He has said that he thought many cases were still hidden, pointing out the low numbers for the 1950s.
'"It's not over with," Doyle said. "The heart of the matter is: Why was there this massive betrayal? Why did they move [abusers] around for years, when they knew what they were doing? Why have they continued to re-victimize the victims by stonewalling, and why they have never turned in any of these known pedophiles?"'(Hartford Courant, 2/26/04)
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[fdd2blk]

It should be noted that 30% of all accusations included in these figures were not investigated as they were deemed unsubstantiated (10%) or because the accused priest was dead or inactive (20%). They do not include allegations that were "unfounded" or later recanted.
In any case, all these figures are widely suspected to be grossly underestimated. For example, the late Fr. Tom Economus, former President of the Linkup, a national survivors' advocacy group, said back in the mid-90s that he knew of "1,400 insurance claims on the books and that the Church has paid out over $1 billion in liability with an estimated $500 million pending." (Emphasis added.)
He also said that over 800 priests had been removed from ministry and that there might be as many as 5,000 with allegations against them, which is not that far off. He often claimed that by far the most calls he received from all victims of any kind of clergy abuse were those from males who suffered abuse in their youth in the Catholic Church. Certainly the numbers, which show that the highest number of victims were 12 year old boys and that 80% of the abuse was homosexual in nature, validate that anecodotal evidence, too. In fact, while the numbers of young children and girls did not vary much, the report shows an astounding six-fold increase in the abuse of boys aged 11-17 between the 1950s and 70s. And the figures for males stayed high through the 1980s.
Could it be that once the exits were opened by Vatican II, the good priests who could departed to marry, and the maladjusted ones who remained were left to their own devices?
In any case, Fr. Tom Doyle, a canon lawyer with more experience than any in these cases, has raised many questions over the validity and methodology of the study. He has said that he thought many cases were still hidden, pointing out the low numbers for the 1950s.
'"It's not over with," Doyle said. "The heart of the matter is: Why was there this massive betrayal? Why did they move [abusers] around for years, when they knew what they were doing? Why have they continued to re-victimize the victims by stonewalling, and why they have never turned in any of these known pedophiles?"'(Hartford Courant, 2/26/04)
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[cosmicentity]

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But Christians have a history to read. Real people wrote the Bible. Real events, real people, real time line.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA read a direct translation of the origanl hewbrew text (its gonna be hard to find) not this bull shit KING JAMES NEW TEST and you will find that christ our savior beat women and children who prayed to hethnean gods with a cat of nine tails to strip them of their sinful flesh that they might be wrapped in the light of god, had men burned and villages razed, but hell dude WE ALL NEED A MARyTER RIGHT and let me ask you since you were there, how did johna survie in the whale? how did sulfur and brimstone appear out f clear skys, what made the nile run blood red, and for love of GOD how did the red sea part with such ease....cause it seems like miracles used to be pretty plentyful a dime a dozen dont you think??? oh wait your a christian, you dont need to someone else does that for you.

I forgive you for your idiotic statements because I BELIEVE you are stoned!
1. The O.T. was written in mostly Hebrew (not hewbrew). The N.T. (that's where Jesus is found) is mostly in Koine Greek (yes, I do have a degree). Please enlighten me where you found that he beat women and children? (excluding the moneychangers because they had to be men-only men were allowed transactions in the temple marketplace). If you want to get technical on a lot more I could (literally the "Sea of Reeds" not "Red Sea"). Look up I Cor 13-14 (that's in the New Testament) if you want to discuss "miracles" going away. it's FIRE and brimstone not sulfur. JONNA (not Johna) survived in a FISH (dpesn't say if it was a whale or not). They're called miracles because you can't do it by the laws of physics.
Basically though, WHO CARES?!?!?
There's no point but he was pointing out that Atheist ON THE SHOW used the word believe several times. It just sounds funny to me as well.
Believe what you want, let others believe what they want. Post about weed. GOD MADE WEED! Rejoice in that.
BTW, I'm not religious anymore. I really don't care. just get back to weed. Happy Weedmas! -or POTmas, GRASSmas, ETC. (it's whatever you believe it to be)

 

[weed4cash]

so yea, evolution is just a great way to establish value of human life isn't it.

I'm so glad we have evolutiot to answer so many questions..

I can't think of one thing evolution has done for us but I'm sure you all can fill me in.

Make sure you mention comments like the following:

Evolution keeps us from believing in fairy tales like Santa Clause...... or maybe the Nebraska Man. (maybe he gave presents too!)
Evolution keeps us from fighting religious battles and killing every one. Because we don't fight over things like BOMBS or GOLD, or DRUGS right? Just religious people fight. The friendly thug in the alley is just making conversation when he demands your money.

Evolution keeps us from waisting our time.
Well that's the best one yet. I mean gambling, drinking, drug addiction, all could be avoided if we just didn't believe in Jesus right?

Oops, Turns out that RELIGION has established one of the BEST ways to kick those habits.