Molasses in Reservoir

[djruiner]

If you read my post I said I haven't tried molasses in aero or dwc or any water culture....I haven't and would not try it in any water culture method of growing such as dwc or swc because I am certain the added oxegen in the water might make it a breeding ground for bacteria...that is why I vouch for top feed and flood and drain... I do mention that in my posting....my res don't have airstones in them...and I keep them at 65-68...I don't have to clean anything either....... once it is time for a scheduled res change there are absolutely no traces of molasses in my res......

well since the thread was titled molasses in reservoir...i thought id give some input about when i put molasses in my res...just incase anyone was interested...sorry for the post..i assumed these was public forums

 

[jcdws602]

looks like good results to me! although I wont use molasses during the flush. i would use Carbo Load since it has no nutrients in it. also would use a enzyme. I use drip system too and love it. maybe i"ll try the molasses. I usually like floranectar as a sweetner. What is your res. temp? i always keep mine in the low 60's

It's definitely a lot cheaper...and it really sweetens up things....Bud Candy gives your buds a nice taste too but not 30 dollars a pint good lol..... ... I just use plain water the last couple days but good idea on using something like carbo load those days...nice to find a cheaper alternative for that as well......and I keep my res 65-68 sometimes lower but nothing lower than 60

 

[jcdws602]

well since the thread was titled molasses in reservoir...i thought id give some input about when i put molasses in my res...just incase anyone was interested...sorry for the post..i assumed these was public forums

No No No it's great you posted....this way people know not to use molasses in that type of growing method...I know I didn't go into detail about it....and your post gives first hand insight.....

 

[jcdws602]

This post is kinda just a reminder of how ignorant people are.

Haha

"It was too long boo hoo hoo, I like to use chemical bud candy bla bla"

I read it... it's very good information.
And no, it's not that long either. Why don't you go read a book or something.

You don't see any negative effects from it? Does it make the reservoir sticky at all? If you use it with a drip system it should be good to go with my flood tables... when do you add it? All of flowering or just the last few weeks?

And sorry I am trying to answer all the q's but i got kinda mixed up and I think I answered your question in another response but yes no negative effects whatsoever aside ph drifting up higher than usual....and when I change my res I don't have any mess...I keep my res cool, covered, with no airstone, there are no traces of molasses once I change them...just dont drop none on the floor or you might get some pests.....I add it from day 1 of flowering..I even use it in one of my veg reservoirs

 

[djruiner]

No No No it's great you posted....this way people know not to use molasses in that type of growing method...I know I didn't go into detail about it....and your post gives first hand insight.....

its all good man...might even answer a few questions of others coming in that ask how it would work in dwc...i got mixed results after searching on the subject..some said dont..some said it worked..so i figured id try it and see what happens...so as it comes to dwc...a big hell no to molasses..its all about sharing tips and experiences..some people might come in here wondering about molasses in a dwc res...thats why i came in

 

[Cali.Grown>408]

im a DWC and soil grower and use molasses in both..i didnt do it on the stove and boil water, i did it like this..
i take my molasses that im going to put in the res.
mix it with a glass or two of water then microwave it for 10-20 seconds
then stir it up and add it to the res. i also heat it up with a glass of water when i add it to soil.
i've never had any problems that i hear other people have with molasses in DWC but i do only use a tsp per gallon

 

[jcdws602]

its all good man...might even answer a few questions of others coming in that ask how it would work in dwc...i got mixed results after searching on the subject..some said dont..some said it worked..so i figured id try it and see what happens...so as it comes to dwc...a big hell no to molasses..its all about sharing tips and experiences..some people might come in here wondering about molasses in a dwc res...thats why i came in

Exactly.......that's what these forums are about....sharing knowledge......thanks for your input..... it is greatly appreciated..

 

[jcdws602]

im a DWC and soil grower and use molasses in both..i didnt do it on the stove and boil water, i did it like this..
i take my molasses that im going to put in the res.
mix it with a glass or two of water then microwave it for 10-20 seconds
then stir it up and add it to the res. i also heat it up with a glass of water when i add it to soil.
i've never had any problems that i hear other people have with molasses in DWC but i do only use a tsp per gallon

Same principle different method : ).....I also heat up the water to dilute the molasses for my soil plants as well.............I truly believe most of the problems people have when using Molasses in hydroponics is associated with high res temps..............I have yet to encounter any problems the way I grow.... maybe I'll try some in one of my veg totes .....just to say I did

 

[supergrow357]

how does higher temp equate to more problems with molasses in a hydro setup? res temp that is.

 

[Cali.Grown>408]

i use it in veg and flower and never had a problem..and i use carbo load plus molasses during flower..grandma's molasses from luckys..what brand do u use??

 

[jcdws602]

i use it in veg and flower and never had a problem..and i use carbo load plus molasses during flower..grandma's molasses from luckys..what brand do u use??

Grandma's Gold Standard All Natural Unsulphured Molasses and Brer Rabbit Unsulphured Molasses.....

 

[Cali.Grown>408]

Grandma's Gold Standard All Natural Unsulphured Molasses and Brer Rabbit Unsulphured Molasses.....

yea i've always used grandmas molasses from lucky's and want to try a new brand..i dont think mine is the GOLD standard..where do you buy yours at??

 

[jcdws602]

how does higher temp equate to more problems with molasses in a hydro setup? res temp that is.

The sugars and warm temps are ideal for pathogens to thrive in.......

 

[jcdws602]

yea i've always used grandmas molasses from lucky's and want to try a new brand..i dont think mine is the GOLD standard..where do you buy yours at??

I think the bottle saying Gold Standard is more for marketing purposes lol but I don't know....I buy it a wal-mart ,it's like 3-4 bucks......

 

[Heisenberg]

Molasses can be used in a hydro setup and provide similar benefits as in soil, but it must be used correctly.

Molasses is an organic substance, which means it is not available for roots to uptake until it has been broken down. Idealy, it will be broken down by beneficial microbes, and then becomes chemical fertilizer. Synthetic bud sweetener is the same thing, it's just already available in chemical form.

So if you want to use molasses in any hydro set up, you should make sure it mixes thoroughly and then add in some beneficial bacteria and fungi. You can buy bottled products or brew an EWC tea. The reason higher temps can cause problems after adding molasses is, microbes breed faster in warm water. If you don't add beneficial microbes, you are setting up a perfect environment for harmful pathogens.

 

[jcdws602]

Molasses can be used in a hydro setup and provide similar benefits as in soil, but it must be used correctly.

Molasses is an organic substance, which means it is not available for roots to uptake until it has been broken down. Idealy, it will be broken down by beneficial microbes, and then becomes chemical fertilizer. Synthetic bud sweetener is the same thing, it's just already available in chemical form.

So if you want to use molasses in any hydro set up, you should make sure it mixes thoroughly and then add in some beneficial bacteria and fungi. You can buy bottled products or brew an EWC tea. The reason higher temps can cause problems after adding molasses is, microbes breed faster in warm water. If you don't add beneficial microbes, you are setting up a perfect environment for harmful pathogens.

I don't add any beneficial bacteria and still have exceptional results.....but it is a good idea to add beneficial bacteria.....I just like keeping it as simple as I can...

 

[Dirty Harry]

I have tried using molasses twice in my ebb & flow. ROOT ROT FAST! It went from nice fish bone looking roots to jelly and what looked like wet toilet paper floating in the res with a lot of foam. This 2nd time I drained, cleaned, re nuted with NO molasses an a few doses of H2O2. I have the nice fish bone looking roots again. I won't use that in hydro again.

 

[Juicy Fruit]

http://canadianwholesalehydroponics.com/products.cfm?p_id=1864&show_details=1&catpage=1
Use this when using Molassis

 

[jcdws602]

DIRTY HARRY : I have tried using molasses twice in my ebb & flow. ROOT ROT FAST! It went from nice fish bone looking roots to jelly and what looked like wet toilet paper floating in the res with a lot of foam. This 2nd time I drained, cleaned, re nuted with NO molasses an a few doses of H2O2. I have the nice fish bone looking roots again. I won't use that in hydro again.

Again one of the reasons people have problems with molasses in hydroponics is usually high res temps..........I start at 1 ml per gallon the work up to 5 ml per gallon...I use synthetic nutrients......keep my res covered (the second most important variable)... temps 68 or below (this is vital) no probs...either you had a problem before the application or you didn't keep your solution temps with in optimal range and or one of the other variables in check.......

 

[supergrow357]

The sugars and warm temps are ideal for pathogens to thrive in.......

That would be a problem. On the other hand colder temps keep the molasses clumped together. Making it a little harder on the pumps and clogging of the system. A higher temp would help the viscosity of the molasses so that it would go through the system better. 70 degree is the temp right when those nasty pathogens start getting warmed up. Maybe if people tried to keep the res at exactly 69 degree it would help. Also benni's are a most for me. they work wonders. Great white is a good source of them. 34.95 for a small container that will work for most.