The Art of The Auto

[Harry Bald Sack]

I have a question about ONA gel. I am getting ready to order a can of this stuff and I was wondering if anyone has used the fresh linen scented gel and does it compromise the scent or flavor of the bud?

I picked up some smoke the other day and couldn't help posting a picture after I saw the color since everyone seems to be fond of Mossy's DC. The guy I got it from called it Sgt. Peppers. The other is a Mango Kush.


picture quality isn't the greatest but you get the idea.

 

[dargo]

fd do you add cal mag or something else? I just amended my latest soil mix with egg shells that I put through the blender and il be using more molasses between feedings in the hope of beating the cal mag deficancys im getting now im only using rain water for my indoor grows.

 

[justparanoid]

I've used the gel and block versions of ona gel, it doesnt mess with the weed flavor at all.

JP

 

[Bighill]

HBS: Rezdog swears by the liquid ona. You'd need it for the chems. It won't flav the buds unless your drying/curing in the same room with it.

Dargo: Bone meal will help solve your cal issues. Or if you can find Rock Phosphates also work for cal too. Epsom salts are also high in mag.
I use the blood and bone meal to amend my own mixes.

 

[John Mondello]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gardeners-Meter-pH-Light-Water/dp/B003F5Y8RI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1291746299&sr=8-6

this is the one I got...
there is a cheaper one similar..but you pay more for delivery..
so it is worth checking a couple out.

It does Light level..moisture level....handy since I am an over-waterer..
soil AND water ph levels.

Not sure How accurate yet..my water and tablets guage reads slightly different..
But for the Money..
I Think it is Excellent...

no batteries required...

HBS..love the fact you have named them all....
sending Girl karma m8...

http://www.growlightuk.com/tabid/58/ProductID/24/Default.aspx

found them when I was rattling around as well...
looks to me as if the prices are starting to become more realistic..

mossers... check this out first dude...

I've done extensive research (and testing some - actually quite a bit )
be glad to iterate on this, but am also currently watching a new generation- light grow.

here's a few links for all
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270658750599&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

that light is an example they have 240, 180, 90 watts and probly couple others... see their store... (Read their listing hrough and through... they explain themselves and their generational difference...) I believe these guys are right on based on my experience in led tech

also this is a current grow of master kush ive been watching to see if the new technology really stands up to its clkaims.... cuz the old definetly DID NOT!
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/378470-confined-space-850w-led-master.html

J

ps - good shit on the o2 and water techniques fd... little ripped here at the moment... 3 ozs of canna-choco later... whew!
cant type for shit! lol

 

[John Mondello]

I've used the gel and block versions of ona gel, it doesnt mess with the weed flavor at all.

JP

would you say it was very effective as an odour controller?

 

[John Mondello]

HBS: Rezdog swears by the liquid ona. You'd need it for the chems. It won't flav the buds unless your drying/curing in the same room with it.

Dargo: Bone meal will help solve your cal issues. Or if you can find Rock Phosphates also work for cal too. Epsom salts are also high in mag.
I use the blood and bone meal to amend my own mixes.

I use epson salts in my garden on a large scale to amp-up tomatoes and peppers (tomatoes to prevent blossom end rot) (and peppers to gain good fruit quality/size as well as productivity and it helps send them into flowering fruting)

magnesium and calcium
oh yeah... typically 1 teaspoon (5ml) per galon occasionally... dont overdo it! its a salt

 

[John Mondello]

mossy their claim of 40-80 sq meters is straight bs, i can tell you that...
as a supplemental light to a greenhouse environment, maybe then ok... but not as a primary
240 watt 3w led chip is about 6 sq ft
the 500 some watt models with 3w chips are about 12 sq ft


J

 

[Bighill]

Pretty outrageous.
Just so i know i have me head wrapped around it. You use the vinegar and water mix, you use to wash the cal out from the kettle, to amend/ph the water?

If that is what your doing, the vinegar is dissolving the cal from the kettle, and you are in essence dosing them WITH cal. I have been trying to find something to read about cal toxicity. Can't find much, did the rosenthal books you have mention it? My gut is telling me your girls have just been cal/mag hogs all along.

We get a hobby farm book to the house, this months issue talks about how the charge (- or +) of your soil and nutes affects the absorbtion rates of certain newts. Also affects how certain ones wash out. Good crapper reading material. i'll chime back in when i have my head wrapped around it.

Bh.

 

[FullDuplex]

fd do you add cal mag or something else? I just amended my latest soil mix with egg shells that I put through the blender and il be using more molasses between feedings in the hope of beating the cal mag deficancys im getting now im only using rain water for my indoor grows.

I use three things to keep it in check in my soil. As you see rain water lacks cal/mag (unless your Mossy and have to reduce it) and straight watering with it will cause a cal/mag def. So in my soil i use Blood and bone meal as well as epsom salt. This way i know i have it covered and i havent seen an issue since.

 

[FullDuplex]

If that is what your doing, the vinegar is dissolving the cal from the kettle, and you are in essence dosing them WITH cal. I have been trying to find something to read about cal toxicity. Can't find much, did the rosenthal books you have mention it? My gut is telling me your girls have just been cal/mag hogs all along.

I have to agree with you here my friend.

Mossy This makes total sense to me. The Cal that you are breaking down HAS to go somewhere. I know that some of it gets evaporated but not all of it. When i had fang growing she LOVED her some nutes, the more i fed her the faster she grew. I was using my teas at the time with the high mix of cal and mag in there. i use Blood and Bone meal as well as epsom salts in my teas. Two are high concentrated in cal/mag and she never once saw a burn issue.

Remember how i keep saying i think that there is something more to the vinegar than just the pH effect? I think BH found the answer to the question we have been mulling over. With his experience with the cal/mag feedings and then your exceptional new growth id say that we found a new trigger to your gals. Cause i can tell you now her size is bigger than any structure i have had in a small pot pre budding. And i dont think that the extra 2 inches are making that big of a difference.

 

[BOMBUDZ]

Whats up all just have to say nice posts...and its movin quickly...gonna add some autos n what not to the discussion here is a EasyRyder my first auto I grew...take a look...if you havent seen it b4.

 

[\|/Joker420\|/]

I'm thinkin the next set of seeds I order will be easy ryders, good lookin plant bro.
Final yield? And how long did it take to finish?

 

[Harry Bald Sack]

would you say it was very effective as an odour controller?

This is the better question.

 

[BOMBUDZ]

Grown with cfl's I got about 54+ gr. good smoke too..good smoke 2

 

[FullDuplex]

Whats up all just have to say nice posts...and its movin quickly...gonna add some autos n what not to the discussion here is a EasyRyder my first auto I grew...take a look...if you havent seen it b4.

have not seen it before my friend but i can tell you that this is one of the
fullest CFL grows i have seen. What wattage are you using and how long did she run
You can't post some pics like that here and expect us not to ask.

Keep doing what you are doing man they like it

 

[\|/Joker420\|/]

how big are your pots? juss curious

 

[mossys]

Full info on Vinegar.

My tap water has high Cal..and high PH..
it is 8.4 ph which is the Higest acceptable level for drinking water..
so Most people will be below that level.

The high Cal is See-able in the kettle..it furs up the element.
When it furs up the kettle...you fill it full of water and a cup of white wine vinegar and boil it.
It dissolves the calcium..and your kettle comes up like new.
(Old fashioned Tip..)
The water that comes out the kettle is Clear..no residue/slurry...in fact..the water looks brilliant/clear.

FullD got me oxygenating my tap water..and balancing the PH..
(simply..if your water is too acid..you add an alkali...if your water is too alkali..you add an acid...)
We balanced the water with Pool ph down.

Although I saw a difference with the oxygen...I was still getting Cal build up in my leaves by around 6 weeks.
(leaves are the Lungs of plants...if you clog them up...you screw the plant up..nothing can live with no lungs..)

Knowing the vinegar clears it in the kettle..And the fact that it is an Acid...so it would lower my PH as well...
I thought I would give it a try..
Worst case senario..it would kill my plants.

What I wasn't sure of was would the Vinegar dissolve the cal in Cold water..
I couldn't afford to boil all the water..I use 50 ltrs a day in the summer.

So..the vinegar was added to the COLD WATER and I bubbled the water..to mix it thoroughly.

Checked it with my ph meter.
On MY water ph..it takes 250 mls..to 50 ltrs of water...50 ltrs is around 110 Pints.

That is ALL that has been done...
(compo..ferts all the same..)
But...
not only have my plants returned to the vigor I had before the cal build up..
they have exceeded it by about 30% in growth
(work That one out on your last harvest figures...)

So...we are not sure if the vinegar is simply dealing with the cal build up...
or if it is actually feeding the soil as well.

I can't explain it...
I know certain tannins can help soil..
thinking maybe some wild yeasts..but they can't be active or the vinegar would be cloudy..
sugars...
I really don't know..I Think the dilution is too small to hold anything significant.

But..looking at the results..Something is happening...and it is right across the board..
ALL phenos..ALL genetics.

What FullD wants is a couple of you that have multi-pot grows to try using the vinegar as an additive to see if you all get the same results as Me....
OR..if it is My particular water problems that are being resolved.

So anyone wanting to volunteer to TEST the theory...would be greatly apprecited.

IF we can get a 30% increase on plant vigor with something as simple as a spoonful of vinegar
we would be Heros......

 

[John Mondello]

Full info on Vinegar.

My tap water has high Cal..and high PH..
it is 8.4 ph which is the Higest acceptable level for drinking water..
so Most people will be below that level.

The high Cal is See-able in the kettle..it furs up the element.
When it furs up the kettle...you fill it full of water and a cup of white wine vinegar and boil it.
It dissolves the calcium..and your kettle comes up like new.
(Old fashioned Tip..)
The water that comes out the kettle is Clear..no residue/slurry...in fact..the water looks brilliant/clear.

FullD got me oxygenating my tap water..and balancing the PH..
(simply..if your water is too acid..you add an alkali...if your water is too alkali..you add an acid...)
We balanced the water with Pool ph down.

Although I saw a difference with the oxygen...I was still getting Cal build up in my leaves by around 6 weeks.
(leaves are the Lungs of plants...if you clog them up...you screw the plant up..nothing can live with no lungs..)

Knowing the vinegar clears it in the kettle..And the fact that it is an Acid...so it would lower my PH as well...
I thought I would give it a try..
Worst case senario..it would kill my plants.

What I wasn't sure of was would the Vinegar dissolve the cal in Cold water..
I couldn't afford to boil all the water..I use 50 ltrs a day in the summer.

So..the vinegar was added to the COLD WATER and I bubbled the water..to mix it thoroughly.

Checked it with my ph meter.
On MY water ph..it takes 250 mls..to 50 ltrs of water...50 ltrs is around 110 Pints.

That is ALL that has been done...
(compo..ferts all the same..)
But...
not only have my plants returned to the vigor I had before the cal build up..
they have exceeded it by about 30% in growth
(work That one out on your last harvest figures...)

So...we are not sure if the vinegar is simply dealing with the cal build up...
or if it is actually feeding the soil as well.

I can't explain it...
I know certain tannins can help soil..
thinking maybe some wild yeasts..but they can't be active or the vinegar would be cloudy..
sugars...
I really don't know..I Think the dilution is too small to hold anything significant.

But..looking at the results..Something is happening...and it is right across the board..
ALL phenos..ALL genetics.

What FullD wants is a couple of you that have multi-pot grows to try using the vinegar as an additive to see if you all get the same results as Me....
OR..if it is My particular water problems that are being resolved.

So anyone wanting to volunteer to TEST the theory...would be greatly apprecited.

IF we can get a 30% increase on plant vigor with something as simple as a spoonful of vinegar
we would be Heros......

In my opinion, the vinegar is breaking the hard water (cal/mag and etc.) down to its simplest form.... which makes it accessible to te plant.. both from a ph standpoint, and from a size of molecule standpoint...

J

ps - mossers... empty ur mailbox... full again i think!

 

[John Mondello]

does this say it all or what?