Club 600

curious old fart

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Thank you for your comments
...and now some porn shots of the lady scheduled for the next harvest, Gryphon from motarebel, G13/HP x Lemon thai at day 58





she has a lovely grapefruit aroma and hopefully will finish within a week

:peace:
cof
 

ENDLSCYCLE

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Made some edibles....LolyPops and just some hard candy squares......The butter I used was the first I ever made...36grms of sugar leaf+5.5grms of bud for a pound of butter....pretty fkn potent...one lolypop or two squares and you're good to go!!!! just a little gritty,not too bad, but I think I can fix that with just more stirring....UGH....Used Lime Jello for flavor...def. hides the cannabutter taste....gonna try grape and cherry next.......Used molds for the suckers and candy squares that I picked up from a local craft store...$1.99 each......The squares mold makes 65 candies at once.....Easy...Fkn Easy....Thanks Dez for the recipe and the tips...wish I could reward you with a Lolypop but I guess +rep will do!!!LOL


 

genuity

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Made some edibles....LolyPops and just some hard candy squares......The butter I used was the first I ever made...36grms of sugar leaf+5.5grms of bud for a pound of butter....pretty fkn potent...one lolypop or two squares and you're good to go!!!! just a little gritty,not too bad, but I think I can fix that with just more stirring....UGH....Used Lime Jello for flavor...def. hides the cannabutter taste....gonna try grape and cherry next.......Used molds for the suckers and candy squares that I picked up from a local craft store...$1.99 each......The squares mold makes 65 candies at once.....Easy...Fkn Easy....Thanks Dez for the recipe and the tips...wish I could reward you with a Lolypop but I guess +rep will do!!!LOL


now thats some good looking candy......
i use that cherry jello...
 

Dezracer

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I'm thinking I need one of those, LOL. I have a lot of new growth that has no signs of mites though so I may be good to go. Damn clones from dispensaries :finger:...just kidding. I wouldn't have ever started growing if I hadn't seen clones in a dispensary. After stumbling upon this site when looking for recipes for hash oil and cannabutter I got the itch to try growing and the next time I went to a club I saw some clones sitting there and figured, WTF? Read up that night on some cabinets, went to Home Depot the next day and got some supplies and built a cabinet. Picked up a couple clones the next day and it just went from there.
 

Dezracer

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Was checking on things a few minutes ago and did a head count and it appears I have 7 Afgan Kush clones that are from the flowering ones so they may need to reveg and 5 Raspberry Cough clones from the 1 female I got out of the 5 seeds. I also have 1 JH clone that was the top of another clone (the one that came with free spider mites) and 1 White Widow clone that was the top of the other clone I got from the dispensary. They're all vegging under flouros of one type or another along with the other 2 clones (JH and WW), the 2 Cataract Kush seedlings and 2 Headband seedlings. Now, 4 of the mentioned plants are meant for mothers but the rest will be flowered as soon as they're ready.

I've also got a Purple Haze seed and 2 DOG seeds still soaking that I haven't decided yet how to grow. Not sure if I'll just veg and then flower them or what but most likely will veg them a bit and then take some cuttings from them in the first week or 2 of flower. I like to remove the lower branches anyway so, why not make clones out of them?

That's 20 vegging plants total plus 4 flowering in soil, 2 autos flowering in DWC and 4 that are a few weeks into 12/12 from seed. 30 plants in all :lol:
 

DST

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Hey guys, this was the aroma wheel I was talking about....cof, the link you sent by pm didn't qwork, was it the same as the one above?

Anyway...here it is
 

ghb

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Was checking on things a few minutes ago and did a head count and it appears I have 7 Afgan Kush clones that are from the flowering ones so they may need to reveg and 5 Raspberry Cough clones from the 1 female I got out of the 5 seeds. I also have 1 JH clone that was the top of another clone (the one that came with free spider mites) and 1 White Widow clone that was the top of the other clone I got from the dispensary. They're all vegging under flouros of one type or another along with the other 2 clones (JH and WW), the 2 Cataract Kush seedlings and 2 Headband seedlings. Now, 4 of the mentioned plants are meant for mothers but the rest will be flowered as soon as they're ready.

I've also got a Purple Haze seed and 2 DOG seeds still soaking that I haven't decided yet how to grow. Not sure if I'll just veg and then flower them or what but most likely will veg them a bit and then take some cuttings from them in the first week or 2 of flower. I like to remove the lower branches anyway so, why not make clones out of them?

That's 20 vegging plants total plus 4 flowering in soil, 2 autos flowering in DWC and 4 that are a few weeks into 12/12 from seed. 30 plants in all :lol:


i have the same problem, i got 15 clones from a friend, they were in bad shape when i got them. i finally nursed them back to good health and i notice that one of them was literally covered in spider mites!.

i went medieval on their asses, i threw the worst plant away, ripped off all leaves from neighboring plants that were in a close proximity to the affected plant and then cleaned out the tent . i then sprayed all of my plants with mite rid and i'm just praying they dont come back. i've also taken out my dehumidifer and have been turning my exhaust off for a couple of hours a day in a bid to halt them. i'm going to spray again at the weekend and maybe again a few days later, i'm already 2 weeks in 12/12 and dont want to be spraying my buds.
 

mr west

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didnt don post something by dj shorts a wee while ago something called know ur stone or something..


Here it is.........



DLtoker
07-21-2008, 05:12 PM
I know this is old, but I feel the forum could benefit from this... :hubba:

Know your own stone
by DJ Short (01 Sept, 1999) An educated and descerning palate is a key requirement in breeding and appreciating cannabis.

An educated palate

The breeding and production of fine quality cannabis is more an art than a science. A creative mind and sense of imagination is necessary to achieve success in this field. The other requirement is a very discerning palate, including the ability to discern and appreciate subtle variations in taste, smell and mental experience.

Anatomically, the palate is located between the roof of the mouth and the nasal passages. The intricacies of taste and palate are complex and poorly understood. The taste buds in the tongue and mouth make up only a small fraction of the mechanisms used to interpret taste and smell.

Olfaction is the term used to describe the sense of smell. The olfactory bulb is the main sensor used to experience and interpret smells. This organ is located behind the nasal passages – up your nose. The sense of smell is one of the most complex we possess, and more of the brain is dedicated to processing smells than any other sense. Smell is closely related to memory, especially older memories. Anatomically, this region is located between the cortex and the occipital lobes, above and around the ears to the top of the head.

Research and experience suggest that some people have a greater natural ability to discern taste and smell than others. The palate can also be developed, educated and refined.

There are many similarities between the wine industry and the cannabis industry. One of these is that both use "expert palates" to identify and discern the various desirable traits of a product. However, unlike wine, cannabis has another added aspect to consider: the type of experience produced by the product. Alcohol's main experience is similar (and overconsumption can be fatal) while cannabis provides a wide range of effects and is non-toxic.

Some herb is strictly pleasing to the mental palate but is not so tasty, while other might taste great but have mild or unpleasant effects.

Spectrums of experience

The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down" experience. "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.


Tastes and tasters

The physical palates of cannabis add another dimension to the equation. Taste is an important factor toward determining the desirability of most cannabis. The range of flavours expressed by the genus cannabis is extraordinary. No other plant on the planet can equal the cacophony of smells and tastes available from cannabis. This fact alone should interest researchers from several fields.

The range of possible smells and tastes a human can experience is large and complex. To date, no-one has created a fully usable olfaction chart, but Ann Noble developed a nifty "aroma wheel" for the wine industry, which inspired me to develop a cannabis olfaction chart. Like Ann's wheel, more basic aroma categories like "fruity", "floral", "spicy" and "pungent" go in the centre, and branch out into more specific aromas. So beneath "fruity" goes "berry" and "citrus", and beneath "citrus" is "lemon", "lime" and "orange".

The main cannabis aromas are: woody, spicy, fruity, earthen, pungent, chemical and vegetative – a wide range indeed. More specific aromas include pine and cedar under "woody", musty and dusty for "earthen", blueberry and mango under "fruity", and many others. Most aromas are possible through some combination of strains. Many of these strains were best expressed and acclimated when they were grown outdoors in their region-of-origin, or homeland.

Note that aroma and flavour vary between various stages of the plant. The aroma of a live bud on the plant, a dried and cured bud, and the smoke on the inhale and exhale, may all be different from each other. My number one goal when breeding cannabis is the quality of the perfectly matured, trimmed and cured bud and the experience it provides.

I strongly recommend the use of "tasters" to help analyze the qualities of a given smoke. I prefer highly educated, seasoned and critical elders as they tend to be the most helpful in their analysis and feedback. If there is the slightest drawback to the product, such as arrhythmia, tachycardia, paranoia, or what have you, the experienced elder taster will be the first to notice it. By the same token, if a product is exceptionally fine, the experienced elder taster will also likely be among the first to fully appreciate this. Besides, the elders always appreciate good medicine.

The best way to educate and train the palate is through experience. Unfortunately, there has been a great depletion of variance among the product available to the public. Most grow-ops focus on quantity over quality, and as a result a general blandness has developed. In future articles I will describe some of the great region-of-origin varieties that were available twenty years ago, describing their aroma, flavour, effects, and growth patterns.
 

DST

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All of them are bastardising the aroma wheel created by the wine industry (as quoted above by DJ Short himself)

The range of possible smells and tastes a human can experience is large and complex. To date, no-one has created a fully usable olfaction chart, but Ann Noble developed a nifty "aroma wheel" for the wine industry, which inspired me to develop a cannabis olfaction chart. Like Ann's wheel, more basic aroma categories like "fruity", "floral", "spicy" and "pungent" go in the centre, and branch out into more specific aromas. So beneath "fruity" goes "berry" and "citrus", and beneath "citrus" is "lemon", "lime" and "orange".

....a grape contains 1000's of chemicals that are similar to the products mentioned on the wheel, based on my experiences I really doubt that the Ganja wheel is actually different......just my opinion though.

And things like cheeses are going to come under Fruity smells, off ripe, or over ripe fruit smells, combined with chemical which will incorporate Sulfur type smells...I mean come on, it even say SKUNK on the bloody wheel, haha.
 

Heads Up

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I'm thinking I need one of those, LOL. I have a lot of new growth that has no signs of mites though so I may be good to go. Damn clones from dispensaries :finger:...just kidding. I wouldn't have ever started growing if I hadn't seen clones in a dispensary. After stumbling upon this site when looking for recipes for hash oil and cannabutter I got the itch to try growing and the next time I went to a club I saw some clones sitting there and figured, WTF? Read up that night on some cabinets, went to Home Depot the next day and got some supplies and built a cabinet. Picked up a couple clones the next day and it just went from there.
Dez, mine is a similar story. Keep in mind I've been smoking since Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix were around back in sixty seven, sixty eight. I've never seen weed growing or tasted really fresh weed. So I'm golfing one fine day and I'm complaining about the high cost of shitty weed. He then says the magic words, "you know you can buy seeds on the internet"...so when I get home I start looking, what an eye opener. I didn't have a clue there were so many strains of weed. Now like you, I'm fighting for space. I now have eighteen plants under my lights with four more to go. I emptied most of the tent out last night and put them under the hps for their first day of 12/12.
 
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