What is the benifet with Auto Flowering seeds?

kingofqueen

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Its a faster way to reap your own nugs, what's not to like about that? Some people who have space limitations choose autos for obvious reasons.
To all their own , not for me . I don,t need every autoflower head to try try to convince why af is better . I just threw in my 2 cents and now you guys have over run this guys thread over one comment u could have ignored and just helped out the op .You guys should be helping him out not trying to beat me into the ground .
 

Kerovan

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Its a faster way to reap your own nugs, what's not to like about that? Some people who have space limitations choose autos for obvious reasons.
I don't agree with this argument I see getting thrown around a lot. Imo, it's much easier to use photo period plants in that case. You can choose when to flower them to suit the needs of your space. With autos you cannot do that, they will flower when they want, so You cannot control the size to fit a small space as well. Nor can you flower them immediately to get nugs faster, you have to wait until they decide to flower. Outdoors is the only benefit I see for a faster harvest. You don't have to wait for fall.
 

CaliMedicated

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Thanks for everyone's insights and thoughts. I ve gained some good knowledge. To sum it up I would have to say AF is personal preference and I will make my determination after they are grown, cut and smoked. I would say you benefit form AF due to the quicker growth time. I'm interested to see what each one yields based on the shorter grow time. "Kerovan" your right with standard photo period you can let them go as long, as tall as you want but. But i wanted to see what would happen with a quicker grow period.

Thanks
 

Kerovan

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Thanks for everyone's insights and thoughts. I ve gained some good knowledge. To sum it up I would have to say AF is personal preference and I will make my determination after they are grown, cut and smoked. I would say you benefit form AF due to the quicker growth time. I'm interested to see what each one yields based on the shorter grow time. "Kerovan" your right with standard photo period you can let them go as long, as tall as you want but. But i wanted to see what would happen with a quicker grow period.

Thanks
but that is my point against autos. If you want a quicker grow period indoors, it is best to stick with normal photo-period plants. You can veg them 1 week and then flower. With autos, you have to wait at least 3-6 weeks before they start flowering. So if you want the quickest grow, photoperiod plants are the best option.

but anyway, you are correct in that it comes down to personal preference and it is definately advisable to try it out yourself if you are curious.
 

CaliMedicated

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but that is my point against autos. If you want a quicker grow period indoors, it is best to stick with normal photo-period plants. You can veg them 1 week and then flower. With autos, you have to wait at least 3-6 weeks before they start flowering. So if you want the quickest grow, photoperiod plants are the best option.

but anyway, you are correct in that it comes down to personal preference and it is definately advisable to try it out yourself if you are curious.
well i guess there is some confusion. from what ive heard AF will start to flower around 3 weeks and finish after about 8-10 week. in photoperiod ive always vegged 4 -5 weeks and flowered 8-10 weeks. but your right you could flower after week one, never done this or heard of this so im not sure what the final the results are. but yes, you have more control with photoperiod.
 

Kerovan

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well i guess there is some confusion. from what ive heard AF will start to flower around 3 weeks and finish after about 8-10 week. in photoperiod ive always vegged 4 -5 weeks and flowered 8-10 weeks. but your right you could flower after week one, never done this or heard of this so im not sure what the final the results are. but yes, you have more control with photoperiod.
quite a few people flower almost immediately. You can find people here that do it. I currently have some plants that were put into 12/12 1 week after sprouting from seed. It's been 1 weeks since I did that, so the plants are 2 weeks old. This morning I just pulled 4 males to kill, have one female. A few still haven't shown. The female is 7 inches tall.

As for autos, I see threads in these forums with autos going on 90 days and the buds still not ripe and ready for harvest. I "assume" that the 8-10 weeks that people talk about is from when they start flowering, just like with photo period weed. But I have no concrete experience to state that definitively. I find it hard to believe that people only flower autos for 3-4 weeks
 

CaliMedicated

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positive feedback here please guys. were all trying to learn from eachother. be the bigger person and let it go.
 

chirim2003

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Both autos and photos have pros and cons. Just comes down to personal preference. I am good with both as i am always growing both wether it be for some old fassion skunk or making a new cross with an auto. I have a total of 16 years of steady growing regular strains and a little under 4 years with autos. As far as putting a photo period strain into flowering a week out of seed yeah it can be done but i personally beleive the plant never matures to its full potential of what it can after 4 weeks of veg. And with autos i have found they do best in a certain mix of 3 soils. And if you want a higher yeild wether it be a photo strain or auto i go with a 5 gal pot for autos to get monsters and a minimum of 5 gal for regulars. Also to keep either kind shorter and bushier use a wide pot and less of a high pot. A plant will only bush out as wide as its roots can spread but also needs a little depth to anchor it well. There are many ways to improve your results with both and no doubt photos have been used more but i assure you autos are here to stay and are up with the best photos when grown correctly. Im not here to say either are better cause the herb is all good and even better when you grew it. Just have fun and learn and try new stuff ya never know what can happen.
 

Kerovan

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Both autos and photos have pros and cons. Just comes down to personal preference. I am good with both as i am always growing both wether it be for some old fassion skunk or making a new cross with an auto. I have a total of 16 years of steady growing regular strains and a little under 4 years with autos. As far as putting a photo period strain into flowering a week out of seed yeah it can be done but i personally beleive the plant never matures to its full potential of what it can after 4 weeks of veg.
no, it won't be as big as if vegged longer. That was my point though, you can control the plant and get the harvest earlier than a plant that veg's for 4 weeks.

Also to keep either kind shorter and bushier use a wide pot and less of a high pot. A plant will only bush out as wide as its roots can spread but also needs a little depth to anchor it well.
If you have ever really grown you would know that this statement is complete bs. Just browse these forums and you will see plenty of plants that are bushy and immensely wider than the pots they are in.
 

chirim2003

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Yes a little wider with training but it is not bs at all. It helps them allow their roots to grow wider and it really will grow even bushier. Seriously not bs ya tho.i will only tell you what i have read and learned over the years and found to be true growing myself. Here to add input n help not talk out of my ass bro. Have fun.
 

kudaross

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If you have ever really grown you would know that this statement is complete bs. Just browse these forums and you will see plenty of plants that are bushy and immensely wider than the pots they are in.
lol,

So you're telling me if I grow a plant in a container that has a diameter of 3 inches, but the height of 10 inches, it's just going to keep growing bushier? More like, it's going to look like a twig overtime.

Dude, I've watched plants change figure after transplanting into wider pots within days. It's just how the root system works.
 

Bighill

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learn to read. I did not slam them, I did not call autos ditchweed. All I said was they have ditchweed in their heritage. This is what makes them autoflower. And yes, I have seen plenty of ditchweed. I never said autos were garbage. I even pointed out one use that I see for them.

and you said it yourself. you have grown better autos than "some" of the 12/12. Have you ever grown an auto that was better than ALL photo period plants you have grown?

MY question is when i call the people out who came in here to post regurgitated crap, why do you all of a sudden start to dispute the wording, the small crap no one cares about.
When some one says that looks like ditch weed or it CAME from ditch weed, i don't get the sence it's good. Use proper wording then. It never came from ditch weed, even the mexi rudi claimed to be used is cultivated not wild grown hemp.

There is no way an auto would tuch the best 12/12 stuff i have grown. Just like 99% of the 12/12 can't tuch elite clone onlys', the chems,PKs, OG's are all elite clones that are in-themselves one in a million. Those came to be because people worked their stock, not because some ass hat says the previous line was crap, not worth the time. Ditch weed. Some one has to break the ground.. friend. I'm glad you don't grow them, less people who might find that elite AF pheno to IBL. :clap:

If you came in here talking about how lowryder could be finx or even SOME thing usefulll other than "it's bred to ditch weed" I'd not even gave a fart in the wind. But to come in and spurt some bias un educated crap wasn't gong to fly. That's why i jumped in not because you said they were garbage. Who cares, you can think what you want, but i don't agree with spreading shit that isn't legit about them.

To argue about to auto or not is no different than to indica or to sativa. It's personal prefference. PERIOD. Whether you like them or not, your need will drive the will.
So people that can't veg clones or keep moms what are they to do? You sure can grow seeds but that defeats the benifit of a 12/12 CLONE.. Your right back to the AF issue.

I am over it, just get some GOOD info on AF's before you try them people, alot of crap breeders and as you can see ALOT fo un educated AF opinions around.

edit: Thought i'd add, have you ever grown a pure indica clone for a week then flipped to flower? You get an 1/8th man, one week veg only works with sativa dom clones.. Once again the one size fits all approach fails.
Bh.
 

chirim2003

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You got it backwards. A plant grown in a higher narrow container will grow taller and not as bushy. A plant grown in a container that is wide and not as high will grow bushier. No bs. And not arguing but i have plenty experience growing photos and autos and if both done correctly they will both have very similar quality. The main area photos win is in yield as they can be vegged longer and can be grown bigger hands down. Thats where they win. There is a point where if your going for quality an big yield where autos fall short but only on the yield. My best auto grows to max of 49" or close and yields 4 to 5 oz but a photo yes can yield much more but both can have amazing quality if grown correctly. Thats all i was saying and i have read it all by very accomplished growers and have seen it to be true myself. But i am not here to argue with anyobe or to bs someone or try to make myself out to be the best. Just to help if possible and share what i have learned and found to be true so that someone who needs help has another opinion and other options to try. Sorry if i bummed you out or stepped on anyones toes.
 

klmmicro

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WHERE are the people who have REAL auto EXP?!!?!
In another thread...this one has been overtaken. There are a lot of people that hate autoflower strains because they read or heard something somewhere and drew their conclusion based on that.

To the OP, get some seeds and grow them out. See for yourself if you like the results and discard all the arguments made by the people who have no personal experience with autos. They are not adding anything to your knowledge.

I have grown autos and despite the low yields, the smoke was great. Very potent and my friends and I could not tell it (potency) from the photo-plants I finished growing out that year. I am by no means a master of the auto strains, but my personal experience is that they are easy to grow. For indoor grows, they are ready to harvest pretty quick, cutting about 1/3 the time off. They yeild small, but as other threads on RIU can show you, that is propbably because I am applying my experience to them and that is almost entirely photo-period based plants.

Here is a thread that you might find interesting:

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/370767-art-auto.html
 

Bighill

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Here is some REAL info about lowryder. So now you will have an educated history on it.

For us to understand the history of the Lowryder plant, we first have to take a look at the cannabis subspecies Ruderalis. Cannabis Ruderalis is described as a near-wild or feral subspecies of cannabis that originates from Cannabis Sativa plants that escaped from outdoor plantations in northern Russia and other parts of Eastern Europe.

The days can be very long during the summer in these areas (reaching up to 24 hours of sunlight), so the plant developed the unusual ability to flower under any light condition. Flowering in Cannabis Ruderalis is not triggered by photoperiod as in other cannabis plants but by age alone. These plants will begin flowering under constant light when they are about 3-4 weeks old. Most plants will reach maturity at approximately 9 weeks from sprouting and can yield up to 50 grams per plant, depending on their environment. The auto-flowering trait is recessive in cannabis plants so picking the right plants and isolating the trait through hybridization actually requires a lot of experience and time.

In order to fully appreciate the Lowryder plant, we have to examine its history. The Joint Doctor first experimented with early flowering strains like Mighty Mite but later developed his own early-flowering strain, called 6-way. This plant was never commercialized but it gave birth to the idea of a fully automatic cannabis plant. Some of the components that led up to the first version of the Lowryder plant came into The Joint Doctor's possession through an acquaintance. They were given to him by a Mexican man called Antonio, who soon became a good friend. Antonio had been collecting and growing unusual cannabis strains for over thirty years and one of the strains that he shared with The Joint Doctor was called Mexican Rudy. The Mexican Rudy was short and flowered earlier and faster than anything that The Joint Doctor had seen before. The lineage of this mysterious plant is a bit unclear since part of the name clearly refers to Cannabis Ruderalis, while the other part suggests Mexican origin. One theory is that the Mexican Rudy was actually an experimental cross of Russian Ruderalis and a Mexican Sativa, made sometime in the 1970's, possibly at the University of Mississippi in the United States.
The Joint Doctor realized that the Mexican Rudy had great potential and that it could serve as the back bone for his auto-flowering hybrid but the plant lacked the taste and potency that you would expect from a recreational drug strain. While experimenting with various plants, The Joint Doctor crossed the Mexican Rudy with a Northern Lights #2 female. The results were pleasing, so he further hybridized the male offspring with a William’s Wonder clone. From this second generation of hybrids came a selection of extremely short and fast-flowering plants. They started flowering under constant light so the best ones were selected for further multiplication. All the subsequent generations retained this auto-flowering characteristic. The hybrid, dubbed simply Willy’s Automatic at first, became the basis for the Lowryder strain. Some also speculate that the pedigree of the Lowryder might have taken an alternate route and that it is actually based on a form of early-maturing industrial hemp, called Finola or FIN-314, which was developed by an American scientist for growing outdoors in Finland and other northern countries. Nevertheless, the end results are pleasing and a lot of work went into refining the strain for recreational use while still retaining the auto-flowering properties of the Cannabis Ruderalis ancestor. The Joint Doctor then grew out the variety on a small scale, selecting the best individuals for another five or six generations before it became commercialized. Unfortunately, Antonio passed away before the Lowryder's success was realized. Still, its notable presence on the market today is nothing but a tribute to his work. Part of him lives on through the legacy of this wonderful little plant that The Joint Doctor and others have since refined into perfection.

The Lowryder plant has been criticized for its lack of potency but the truth is that this is not hemp, far from it. The potency is quite good, if not great, in some of the more highly refined strains regardless of the Ruderalis heritage. It goes without saying that the harvestable bud on these small plants is not astronomical in weight but that is beside the point. These plants are grown for their unusual traits, not the amount of bud that they put out. For some, they are the only choice for a short outdoor season. I think that it is safe to say that the quality of the bud harvested from any plant is partly up to the skill of the grower and these plants are no different in that respect.

Since the birth of the first Lowryder plant, The Joint Doctor has continued his work on these amazing auto-flowering dwarfs. The more highly refined Lowryder #2 was created by crossing the first version of the plant to a strain called Santa Maria a.k.a. Planck. Santa Maria is a very potent cannabis variety that stems from the Brazilian part of The Amazon rainforest in South America, where it has been used in religious ceremonies for ages. It greatly improved on the characteristics of the first Lowryder plant, adding more flavor and taste whilst boosting potency. More recently, The Joint Doctor crossed his Lowryder #2 to Soma's New York City Diesel, thereby bringing the Diesel Ryder to the scene. This highly resinous strain normally favors one big main cola and was perfected over the course of some years in order to ensure that the plant takes on the excellent taste and high of the NYC Diesel whilst retaining the auto-flowering trait. This plant is more refined than all the previous versions and can be considered one of the best that he has to offer. The Joint Doctor also provides feminized versions of his plants, including an AK-47 and Lowryder #2 hybrid, called Easy Ryder.

There is also another skillful breeder who specializes in auto-flowering hybrids called Mdanzig. After reading an article about the Lowryder plant that The Joint Doctor was working on, he became very intrigued with this small, new wonder plant. His mission, much like The Joint Doctor’s, is to create even better automatic strains. After growing Lowryders for several generations he realized that a larger auto-flowering hybridcould be very useful and he has since contributed with an assortment of automatic plants.

All the plants from The Joint Doctor and Mdanzig are the result of years of expert breeding, meaning that they are all true breeding, auto-flowering hybrids. You will get constant results with their strains.
 

mj123

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Auto`s are great for small grow space and short growin time. I have had good luck with them. But pheno`s are bigger. and i like a wide veritity. sativa is my best........fav. but when my med cabent is low I`ll grow a few to make up space......
 

chirim2003

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Great post bighill i think people in time will learn to like autos because as time goes on they become better and they arequite useful in many situations. I personally love them but hate all the argument over which is better. Both are great but autos are not fully understood by many or appreciated. Its like a natural form of technology, as mankind is always looking for new and improved things and to make existing things better or different for other reasons. Have a good one guys.
 

CaliMedicated

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again great feedback from everyone. Like someone or many have suggested.. I am going to do a AF grow and then I can determine which route to go on the next. Right now the only downfall i would say that Ive researched about AF is the fact that you cant clone or make a mother because the AF seeds have a life to them that cant be controlled by light. To the AF growers reading this, is my previous statement true?

Thanks
 
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