A test in progress.... Miracle Grow soil vs. Fox Farms soil. Is MG really that bad?

[mcpurple]

Started some grows ago with mold. We have hi humidity almost all the time.
Wiped out the mold. Then found it adds Oxygen to the soil. Also found the plants seem to really like it.
I mix 1/2 cup per gallon.
Heard it kills organic soils. I know nothing about it except, like MG, it does good for me.

More info; http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-garden.html

Sorry, wrong one. (changed it.)

hydrogen peroxide should be used in hydro, yes it kills off bad things in soil but it also kills the bad microbes and benifical things in the soil.

 

[RavenMochi]

just a theory, but its possible that he hasn't noticed any ill effect because of the high humidity. ie, the microbes are replenishing fast in that environment. especially with the use of molasses, which is supposed to help said helpful microbes...

 

[jawbrodt]

Started some grows ago with mold. We have hi humidity almost all the time.
Wiped out the mold. Then found it adds Oxygen to the soil. Also found the plants seem to really like it.
I mix 1/2 cup per gallon.
Heard it kills organic soils. I know nothing about it except, like MG, it does good for me.

More info; http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-garden.html

Sorry, wrong one. (changed it.)

Yep, water and peroxide are very similar(atomically), except that peroxide has twice as much oxygen in it. Hence, the... H2O vs. H2O2. I've never experimented with it, yet, but can see where it'd provide benefit, especially with hydro, where microbes aren't a concern, like they are in soil. After hearing of the good results, on this page, I might just be doing another experiment, sometime in the future....

 

[bigv1976]

The benefits of hydrogen peroxide for a garden can be useful for any kind of a garden, and any method of gardening. Peroxide is great for plants that are planted in the ground, and it’s also great for plants in containers -- it is useful in hydroponic gardens, raised beds, and greenhouses.
Similarly, peroxide for gardening applies well with all kinds of plants: a rose garden, herb garden, vegetable garden, orchard, shade trees, flower garden or lawn -- any or all of these would benefit from hydrogen peroxide.
Peroxide works by releasing oxygen. It acts as an oxygen supplement for plants. It seems to really support both good health and strong growth for plants. Hydrogen peroxide can also help with soil fungus: it aerates the soil, and it is anti-fungal. (It is also anti-bacterial.)

 

[jawbrodt]

Okay, time for a minor update. I just started training them tonight, and wanted to document it. I'm hoping to have them ready for 12/12 within 7-10 days. This method(bending) responds/recovers the fastest of those I've tried,(most) provides the most colas with the least amount of effort, so it'll stay, until further testing proves otherwise.lol

 

[gumball]

The benefits of hydrogen peroxide for a garden can be useful for any kind of a garden, and any method of gardening. Peroxide is great for plants that are planted in the ground, and it’s also great for plants in containers -- it is useful in hydroponic gardens, raised beds, and greenhouses.
Similarly, peroxide for gardening applies well with all kinds of plants: a rose garden, herb garden, vegetable garden, orchard, shade trees, flower garden or lawn -- any or all of these would benefit from hydrogen peroxide.
Peroxide works by releasing oxygen. It acts as an oxygen supplement for plants. It seems to really support both good health and strong growth for plants. Hydrogen peroxide can also help with soil fungus: it aerates the soil, and it is anti-fungal. (It is also anti-bacterial.)

great post, +REP. but i have read information lately that states hydrogen peroxide is no good for organic soil or hydroponic grows. it kills the beneficial bacteria that the organics introduce, and i think it was said that could f up the roots.

 

[bigv1976]

I will look into that.

 

[Canon]

just a theory, but its possible that he hasn't noticed any ill effect because of the high humidity. ie, the microbes are replenishing fast in that environment. especially with the use of molasses, which is supposed to help said helpful microbes...

Not to hy-jack the thread, but just a quick comment on peroxide-
I feel while that couldbe true,, it's probably more because of the WAY i grow. (Maybe?)
Basicly, I completely flush every week to week and a half. Then add my nutes and peroxide.
They get nothing else until the leaves say they want water. Sorta a slow flood & drain with soil.
Not saying it's good for all styles or anything of the sort. It just seems to work for me. I hate mold!
Oh, with the humidity,, I'm moist for just about a week this way.
With Moisture control, It drains fast, but retains a nice amount of water for considerable(?) time.

 

[Medi 1]

Results please? The point of this test was to prove. Yes, we've heard a thousand others just like you tell us mg is bad bad bad, never having any results to back up your statement. This thread was about results. Got any to share? No,. just opinion? Shocker. And how was this weed tested? May I see the test results? I'm willing to bet you don't have those either. Still trying to justify getting ripped off for soil?

Nothing natural about mg. Yea, I'm sure this dirt was made in a test tube...And what lawsuits, can you reference any of those? If the plant doesn't need enough of those "Needed" nutes to show a def, than maybe you don't understand what the word "need" means. Plants "need" water, you don't give water, they die. So if they "needed" what your saying they're not getting in mg soil, they would die...

So how about it medi? Were are your results that your quoting. Don't confuse fact and opinion.

I bet we see a lot more like you and jesus trying to justify the fact that you got scammed by a company that doesn't even have the courtesy to put a guaranteed analysis on the bag. If I'm wrong, then please, do as jaw did and get us results proving what you say. But we all know they're will be no test done, you'll continue talking as if your word were gospel, never daring to test it yourself.

all our testing was done here. you want ot pay 200 a test then youll see results to. and i dint get scammed by a nute co..or soil..i am a nute co so i have the facts. not trying to sell anyone anything just helping with info. believe the facts or not...you ever have that mg bud tested???...not. so what is your facts to back that its good.

heres part of who we are...we do this here with Dr Honrby. kinda the leader in the testing field...


http://www.hedron.ca/


you got google???...use it and look yourserlf for the many mahny lawsuits. scotts, peters and mg are all the same co to. all have been in shit year after year...

 

[Medi 1]

and a pic isnt proof its dank smoke. usualy thats how people prove its good stuff..

 

[jawbrodt]

LOL, No further discussion, is necessary. Agreed?

 

[RavenMochi]

all our testing was done here. you want ot pay 200 a test then youll see results to. and i dint get scammed by a nute co..or soil..i am a nute co so i have the facts. not trying to sell anyone anything just helping with info. believe the facts or not...you ever have that mg bud tested???...not. so what is your facts to back that its good.

heres part of who we are...we do this here with Dr Honrby. kinda the leader in the testing field...


http://www.hedron.ca/


you got google???...use it and look yourserlf for the many mahny lawsuits. scotts, peters and mg are all the same co to. all have been in shit year after year...

Just so I'm understanding this. Your from a nute company, with no results to show? It would cost me $200 to see results YOU did? I would think as a nute company, this is something you would WANT people to see, not put a high price tag and say "hey, pay up or take our word" Having smoked weed grown in mg, it got me high as hell and tasted good. It was Short Stuff Auto Assassin, and it came out tasting like AK (was an ak/rud cross) Did I have it tested? No, I was dissapointed in the performance of auto's, and have no desire to keep its genetics. I do however plan on having my bubblegum tested after its cured, because I'll be keeping at least one bg pheno for as long as I grow. If you know so much about those test, then you know they're not "pass/fail" test. Had you come in here saying, "weed grown in mg tested at lower thc levels consistantly when compared to...." MAYBE, then you would have people believing what you say, but right now it smells like bullshit. Especially if you supposedly work for a company thats a leader in the testing field. Oh, wait, you ARE a nute company. If that lie were true we still couldn't believe a word you say because thats like telling us your biased. The whole point of this test was for no bias. What a bitch, huh? But you'll get over it, I'm sure. As far as mg getting sued, I've been sued. That really doesn't say alot. It's really easy to sue a person or a company to be honest, doing it and getting paid, whole different story.
Facts = numbers, if it cannot be expressed in numbers, its not fact, its just your opinion. So, sense your here to share what I'll generously refer to as your "knowledge," what are the numbers? After all, as a Nute company, your going to want to know those numbers in case potential customers need them.

 

[gumball]

I will agree, but I wasn't part of the discussion.

The plants are looking real good. I like your "training technique". So you just bend the top over and tie it off? And you said this allows other colas time to catch up? Do you do it several times, or any other forms of it? Would you compare it to topping or LST, or more like supercropping? Sorry for all the questions, but I am intrigued at this new (to me) technique. It would be sweet if just that one bend let the plant act like it was fully LST'ed.

 

[RavenMochi]

LOL, No further discussion, is necessary. Agreed?

†LOL† You WOULD post that when I'm in the middle of typing up a paragraph worth of response..., couldn't have posted that a couple of minutes sooner?!
Anyways,
We now return to our regularly scheduled program...

 

[gumball]

Oh, I vote this thread to be stickied. Now newbs can come to the site and read this and see that they don't have to lay down a buttload of money on soil.

 

[RavenMochi]

I will agree, but I wasn't part of the discussion.

The plants are looking real good. I like your "training technique". So you just bend the top over and tie it off? And you said this allows other colas time to catch up? Do you do it several times, or any other forms of it? Would you compare it to topping or LST, or more like supercropping? Sorry for all the questions, but I am intrigued at this new (to me) technique. It would be sweet if just that one bend let the plant act like it was fully LST'ed.

I should have taken pictures before I chopped the bitch up, but I lay down my girls all the time by tying the top down with string, I'm finishing my last full fluro grow, so I always did that so the whole plant would get light, and doing so always produced several main colas. Its not like supercropping AT ALL, thats where you take a flowering plant and force it back into veg, which kills the bud it was making, but after about a month of nothing it starts branching like something from a horror flick, only its a good thing...Not like topping either, because your not cutting anything off, though I did that on accident, it has three main colas. The one I just layed down I think had around 7. I chopped her because I sampled it and realized I hate the way Full Moon taste. It has a perfumy taste that I could probably grow to like, but it also has this strong piney note I just can't stand. Not to mention I was already getting to the point of hating long flowering times, hence why next grow I'm trying out full indica's... Yea, sorry for the rambling, off to nap now, hope that helped some...

 

[DunLarkin]

hydrogen peroxide should be used in hydro, yes it kills off bad things in soil but it also kills the bad microbes and benifical things in the soil.

It also adds oxygen to the water.

 

[Medi 1]

Just so I'm understanding this. Your from a nute company, with no results to show? It would cost me $200 to see results YOU did? I would think as a nute company, this is something you would WANT people to see, not put a high price tag and say "hey, pay up or take our word" Having smoked weed grown in mg, it got me high as hell and tasted good. It was Short Stuff Auto Assassin, and it came out tasting like AK (was an ak/rud cross) Did I have it tested? No, I was dissapointed in the performance of auto's, and have no desire to keep its genetics. I do however plan on having my bubblegum tested after its cured, because I'll be keeping at least one bg pheno for as long as I grow. If you know so much about those test, then you know they're not "pass/fail" test. Had you come in here saying, "weed grown in mg tested at lower thc levels consistantly when compared to...." MAYBE, then you would have people believing what you say, but right now it smells like bullshit. Especially if you supposedly work for a company thats a leader in the testing field. Oh, wait, you ARE a nute company. If that lie were true we still couldn't believe a word you say because thats like telling us your biased. The whole point of this test was for no bias. What a bitch, huh? But you'll get over it, I'm sure. As far as mg getting sued, I've been sued. That really doesn't say alot. It's really easy to sue a person or a company to be honest, doing it and getting paid, whole different story.
Facts = numbers, if it cannot be expressed in numbers, its not fact, its just your opinion. So, sense your here to share what I'll generously refer to as your "knowledge," what are the numbers? After all, as a Nute company, your going to want to know those numbers in case potential customers need them.

the testing we do has nothing to do with the co im with. this is other research we do. we try and make consuitsant meds so we test weekly for the efficacy in the plant to dial our feeds in. and room conditions to bring the best in each strain as we can. the resuklts arent from my own grows right now so ya its not up to me to show those results as i didnt pay for them. Dr hornby and i will be working on new videos soon and i will be posting and sharing what results i get, and any he feels he wants to release. again. has nothing to do with the nute or trying to sell nutes. im not a salesman. im a medical grower. and we did show results from our 1 part nute at the toronto expo. guess ya missed out. i will try and find the chart on that one somehwere here in my pc.
and i never said it grew absolute shit. just under testing it came up shart everytime. and i do believe i said that, maybe in an other thread. was on average about 12%. others are about 17 to 22%...and those where done many years ago so may not be able to find them.
ill get over it???over what. didnt know i was bent on anything.????,,...now i lie abiout what i do for work, typical once i say that. usulay get that responce. sueing you and a nute co for misslabeling and making people sik isnt the same as sueing you. facts are numbgers?????
why show numbers. you dont have our water or room conditions or soil mixes and thats what makes a good grow. not what nutes are used. the room is the most important effect on the testring results. and is next to impossible to replicate or keep the same so showing numbers dosnet mean much.

heres a couple vids of some people i work with and they do show test results in the lecture at helpology 101 out my way, not the best quality but maybe it will help a bit


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq7kyZrgqlg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA1cOUeAjAg

 

[jawbrodt]

I will agree, but I wasn't part of the discussion.

The plants are looking real good. I like your "training technique". So you just bend the top over and tie it off? And you said this allows other colas time to catch up? Do you do it several times, or any other forms of it? Would you compare it to topping or LST, or more like supercropping? Sorry for all the questions, but I am intrigued at this new (to me) technique. It would be sweet if just that one bend let the plant act like it was fully LST'ed.

IMO, it's a cross between all those techniques, except that it retains most of the best qualitites, of each. Yes, I bend the top over and tie it to the main stem, which causes the plants hormones to re-direct to the side-branches, sending them racing upwards, competing to become the new main grow tip. Then, after a week or two, you release the main stem, and it recovers and joins the rest of the canopy. It recovers faster than supercropping(due to not having to physically damage the stem), and IMO, works better than either topping or FIM, because you retain the original main stem, and end up with more colas than either if those. Did I mention that it was faster, as well? Speed counts, when you're growing perpetual, like I am.

I like all those training techniques, they all work well, but "bending" works best for me.

 

[Afghani420]

Sorry I was an asshole guys.