Arizona Immigration Reform Laws.

[slomoking13]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/23/obama.immigration/index.html?hpt=T1

So today, Arizona's governor signed a bill allowing police officers to ask to see immigrant registration documents from people they sustpect may be in the United States Illegaly.. The bill is pretty controversial because many believe it will lead to racial profiling and racial discrimination, but at the same time it will help crack down on illegal immigration and cheap immigrant labor. I think this is a good idea... A lot of people are saying that undocumented workers should be granted citizenship, that would be ok with me as long as they have to compete for the same jobs at the same wages and they have to pay taxes just like i do. I'm typically anti-government, but in this case i support Arizona for doing what they are doing 100%. Just wondering what other people think about Arizona's immigrant reform?

 

[fitch303]

What your proposing is amnesty (for undocumented workers) which is rewarding bad behavior. My mom paid a bunch of money and waited 6 months to get her visa approved, she had respect for our nations laws and the citizens living in it. Illegals can be of any race and in order to drive you need a license which only legals can obtain. It should be rather easy for LEO to spot illegals due to no license and the law specifically states one has to be pulled over for a driving infraction to be question, you cant just pull someone over because the LOOK like illegals.

 

[slomoking13]

As i understand though... The way the law was before was that someone would have to be pulled over or spoken to by the police for an infraction of the law before they could be asked to provide documentation. With the new law, officers technically still wouldn't be able to pull you over just because you look like you are an illegal immigrant or pull you off the street for no reason. That would be racial profiling... I'm not saying that racial profiling won't happen, because it always happens in some shape or form depending on where you are.... that's just the nature of police. They see something different and to them different is suspect. Anyways, they would have to have probable cause to believe that you are illegal. One of the biggest downsides to this new law in my opinion is that it will cause racial profiling and there is nothing stopping incentive for illegals to come to America for work because it's not the employers that are being punished. If you look at it, we practically have a keep out sign at the border with a help wanted sign 100 yards after that if we don't regulate more on the employers. Illegals who come for work are simply responding to incentives from employers who are desire to pay employees under the table. It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds and to see what kind of plans other states come up with or what the government does to trump state law regarding illegal immigration.

 

[dukeofbaja]

Fuck this new bill. Officers are not only allowed but obligated to question someone they suspect is illegal because of things like their shoes or their haircut. This is not a concern that the bill will lead to racial profiling, it is in the bill itself.

I personally support the amnesty bill proposed by Bush/McCain many years ago. 11 republicans voted for ti that time, how many do you want to bet will vote for it when Obama proposes the same exact fucking thing?

 

[abe23]

Yea this is a bad bill and I'm pretty sure it will be challenged in the courts. States have no jurisdiction over immigration enforcement...

What would happen if my state decided to bypass the ridiculous quotas and lotteries for highly-skilled workers and simply decided to issue it's own visas and let indian computer programmers in if we have jobs we need them for?

 

[ViRedd]

I support the new law. And by the way, its not anti-immigrant ... its anti-ILLEGAL immigrant.

The big fear is that the police will be pulling over Hispanic folks who are here legally with green cards/visas ... and of course American citizens of Hispanic decent who have been here for generations. That won't be the case. All this new law does is eliminate Arizona cities being designated "sanctuary cities" where the police are forbidden to ask any questions about legal or illegal status.

Arizona has reached critical mass. They are leading the country in over-the-border kidnappings and murders. Something has to be done.

Along these same lines, Arizona just passed into law that Arizona citizens can carry concealed firearms without permits. I predict that within a short period of time, Arizona will become a very peaceful place to live.

 

[Dragline]

Papers Please.. May I see your papers.. Any tea baggers here gonna draw a Hitler moustache on a picture of Arizonas governor?

 

[ViRedd]

Papers Please.. May I see your papers.. Any tea baggers here gonna draw a Hitler moustache on a picture of Arizonas governor?

"I no got no papers, no drivers licence, no insurance. I only came here so that my pregnant wife can have her baby for free and so that I can undercut American wages. We illegals have one thing in common ... and that is, we are screwing the American worker and taxpayer. Oh ... and sending billions of dollars back to our country in order to prop up the economy in OUR country. So, fuck you officer, I don't have to show you my papers. The Progressive Democrats have the system rigged in our favor."

 

[tinyTURTLE]

viredd is an illegal. but it's cool because he lives in california.
viva california!

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Yea this is a bad bill and I'm pretty sure it will be challenged in the courts. States have no jurisdiction over immigration enforcement...

What would happen if my state decided to bypass the ridiculous quotas and lotteries for highly-skilled workers and simply decided to issue it's own visas and let indian computer programmers in if we have jobs we need them for?

Let me get this straight, Abe; now you are down with the 10th Amendment? Excellent.

The question of the Constitutionality of the new law will have to be settled in the courts. However, the Constitution does grant individual states the authority to act when they have been invaded, which is the case in Arizona.

But the greatest effect of this law is that it will do precisely what it is supposed to do: Point out the utter failure of the Federal government to do what it is authorized to do under the Constitution.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Another benefit of the new law is that a Red state is now pushing the national agenda.

Border security has been ignored by administration after administration. Now it must be addressed.

Barry must now choose.

Does he pander to a key Democratic constituency, or does he once again go against the will of the American people in an election year?

 

[Dragline]

"I no got no papers, no drivers licence, no insurance. I only came here so that my pregnant wife can have her baby for free and so that I can undercut American wages. We illegals have one thing in common ... and that is, we are screwing the American worker and taxpayer. Oh ... and sending billions of dollars back to our country in order to prop up the economy in OUR country. So, fuck you officer, I don't have to show you my papers. The Progressive Democrats have the system rigged in our favor."

It's your hypocrisy so tell it however you want.

 

[tightpockt]

I was just in Arizona and got stopped because I looked too Irish, I didn't have my I.d. on me so they deported me to Mexico :^(

This whole bill is retarded..talk about fascism here it is in living color. What exactly is probable cause for stopping someone and harassing them?

 

[Dragline]

Im not saying there isn't an illegal immigration problem. Im saying going about it this way is stupid and hypocritical of all the "freedom loving" conservatives. For starters, you have just insured that anyone of hispanic decent even if legal had better carry documentation with them at all times or risk being arrested in Arizona. For anyones who bitched and moaned over losing your freedom with health insurance reform yet support this bill, you are the biggest fucking hypocrites walking. It basically legalized profiling. See there is such a thing as illegal immigrants that are not hispanic. But nobody is looking for the white eastern european guy who is here illegaly. Or the asian guy here illegaly. Nope this is free reign to detain based on a suspicion of being an undocumented immigrant. Not until now has an entire race of people needed to carry documentation with them at all times and be prepared to present it or risk being arrested.

Now i will tell you why it is stupid. For starters, it isn't going to do a damn thing for the illegal immigration problem. Arizona is simply too broke to hire a whole bunch of extra cops to enforce this law enough to put any recognizable dent in the illegal immigrant population. For every minute a cop spends on this is time not spent fighting other types of crime. This law will be way more headache than its worth.

If they really want to do something about undocumented workers, Arizona needs to target the employers. If you take away their economic incentive to be here many will leave on their own.

 

[abe23]

Yea, dragline pretty much nailed the hypocrisy thing...special mention goes to johnnyO for throwing all his usual high-mindedness regarding the constitution out the window when it comes to cracking down on that hispanic 'invasion'. Just out of curiosity, johnny....does the bill of rights only apply to US citizens with white skin whose first language is english? And does article 1 of the constitution not give the US congress authority over 'naturalization', which has been interpreted to include immigration? How is it constitutional for a state to do it's own immigration enforcement? Oh yeah, I forgot....the invasion.

And from a pragmatic point of view this is complete BS as well. None of the cops want anything to do with this law either because it means that anyone hispanic, documents or not, will refuse to cooperate with them. But yeah, arizona is really gonna score a symbolic victory when a federal judge strikes down this bigoted piece of shit legislation for being unconstitutional.

But yeah, you're right....throw those dirty, drunken, potato eating paddies out! Ooooops....wrong century. My bad.

 

[abe23]

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Yea, dragline pretty much nailed the hypocrisy thing...special mention goes to johnnyO for throwing all his usual high-mindedness regarding the constitution out the window when it comes to cracking down on that hispanic 'invasion'.

I can hear your shrill whining all the way over here over the Google.

I never mentioned race, but you sure the fuck did.

And kindly read my post again. I said the Constitutionality of the law will be decided by the Courts.

And since you opened the door by specifying illegal aliens who happen to be Hispanic, let's talk about that. And if you don't think it's an invasion you are kidding yourself. La Raza means 'The Race.' Members of that upstanding organization believe that the Southwest was stolen from them and they want it back.

Just out of curiosity, johnny....does the bill of rights only apply to US citizens with white skin whose first language is english?

I never stated that, either. If that is what you believe, you are entitled to your stupidity.

And does article 1 of the constitution not give the US congress authority over 'naturalization', which has been interpreted to include immigration?

Article One, Section Eight states that Congress has the authority "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization." Tell me Abe, does the Arizona law go beyond law established by the Federal Government? I know the answer, but do you?

And Have a gander at Section 10, entitled "Powers prohibited of States." No mention of any restriction on a state to enforce immigration with its own borders.

How is it constitutional for a state to do it's own immigration enforcement? Oh yeah, I forgot....the invasion.

And from a pragmatic point of view this is complete BS as well. None of the cops want anything to do with this law either because it means that anyone hispanic, documents or not, will refuse to cooperate with them. But yeah, arizona is really gonna score a symbolic victory when a federal judge strikes down this bigoted piece of shit legislation for being unconstitutional.

But yeah, you're right....throw those dirty, drunken, potato eating paddies out! Ooooops....wrong century. My bad.

Abe's histrionics aside, this law is a direct reaction to the Federal Government's absolute refusal to enforce immigration law.

As I stated earlier, the validity of this law will be decided in the Courts; just like MessiahCare.

 

[jcdws602]

Have you ever been to any city in arizona near or around phoenix.......the majority of folks are mexican especially central phoenix....many legal and illegal......it's gonna get crazy........

 

[blazin256]

i dont see how this is bad. if they're legal what do they got to worry about. and racial profiling...who cares. if we got issues of illegal mexicans, then thats who you target. i LEGALLY have to carry documents saying that i have insurance and proper registration, so why the fuck not for immigrants. and that picture is kinda funny, seein as indians MIGRATED here over a land bridge. we bought and paid for the land we have, we make the rules, get over it.

 

[londonfog]

I'm so mixed on this...Hate that anyone can be asked if they are a citizen just by what they wear or how they look....on the other hand something needs to be done about illegals just coming in ( be it Mexican or Russian )... This law will be struck down IMO..If you really want to stop the flow of illegals coming in then stop the people who hire them. If you are grown and can not speak English chances are you are illegal.