Kitty's 6000 Watt Ebb & Flo, pictures galore, continually updated never ending oh no!
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researchkitty
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13 new photos from Wednesday, April 7th. Start of veg week 3.
They are all between 6-8" tall now.
.......and time for expansion, ya?
Grabbed some supplies from the hydro store, two more 6" air cooled reflectors, 2 more mh/hps switchable ballasts, and a 4 foot long 8 bulb (a little over 400w total) flouro for cloning later. Also an Ozone generator, light meter because it was 70% off retail price (cant say no for $35!), microscope, a few more timers, more nutrients, etc.... All in all it was about $1300 worth of stuff. Should keep me pretty solid until the next reservoir/controller setup for these two lights.
and a few bags of Hydroton. This is how I wash it between uses. Empty it in the bathtub, leave the shower on the back half of the tub and let it run and drain for a half hour, do it to the front half of the tub for a half hour, then fill the tub and shake/mix/stir the hydroton and drain. Repeat once and then done. Sounds like a lot of work but it really isnt.
Some people ask why I dont condition the hydroton in the tub too, its because I do that before the first batch of nutes are in the reservoir which allows me a test fill too.
That's all for today!
They are all between 6-8" tall now.
.......and time for expansion, ya?
Grabbed some supplies from the hydro store, two more 6" air cooled reflectors, 2 more mh/hps switchable ballasts, and a 4 foot long 8 bulb (a little over 400w total) flouro for cloning later. Also an Ozone generator, light meter because it was 70% off retail price (cant say no for $35!), microscope, a few more timers, more nutrients, etc.... All in all it was about $1300 worth of stuff. Should keep me pretty solid until the next reservoir/controller setup for these two lights.and a few bags of Hydroton. This is how I wash it between uses. Empty it in the bathtub, leave the shower on the back half of the tub and let it run and drain for a half hour, do it to the front half of the tub for a half hour, then fill the tub and shake/mix/stir the hydroton and drain. Repeat once and then done. Sounds like a lot of work but it really isnt.
Some people ask why I dont condition the hydroton in the tub too, its because I do that before the first batch of nutes are in the reservoir which allows me a test fill too.
That's all for today!
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researchkitty
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Nope! Never even heard of it. Then again there's 100,000,000 strains these days.
Thanks!
northeastern lights
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I love this pic. Reminds of everytime I do something like that and then the wife gets all bent. The plants look ready to explode in growth.
YungMoolaBaby
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At first when I just saw the pic without the explanation, I was thinking, "holy shit he's gonna grow monsters in his bathtub." Then I read on, and now it makes perfect sense! Nice easy way to clean up lots of pellets quickly.
researchkitty
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Will do! I cant believe I overlooked that, really. Two of the other four new lights are here, so I've got to start moving things around a little bit. Going to group them into a nice little 4 cluster for now, and then the other two lights next to them as well. Should be a canopy of 14' long by 9' wide. Even though one light does 4x4 or 8x8 depending on who you talk to, my goal is 1/5x5-ish.
LOL. I bet the bathtub with a 1kW lamp would grow pretty well too! Lets get a controller and drill a hole through the side of the tub!
clipse0
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ok this is what i would do if i was you. Move the setup in the corner, in that first picture on top of this page line it up against that corner, maybe 1 to 2 feet off the wall the first bucket i drew a diagram to explain. the x-plants L- light so L1 is light 1. Now since u have 1000 watters you can do 16 under one light especially if you have another 1000water right next to it. some people will say thats too much so you could do 3 rows of 4 under each light equaling 12 plants under one light, now i noticed you only had 21 plants... what r u doing with 6k in lights? If you can get more ebb n flo buckets and clone some of these ones then u could really be off and running. basically u want to utilize ur space to the best of ur abilities, having all those babies in a sea of green, right now urs is looking like the plants in pinneapple express lol but you'll get it and with some fine tuning you'll be the envy of everyone on here. one last thing, another reason i said to move it in that corner and against the wall was to get some light reflection of those walls and on to your plants. use ur light meter to see what im talking about. having the light close to the wall its going to reflect more light then where its placed now. well i hope that helps dude im sub'd and in for the ride.
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but you'll get it and with some fine tuning you'll be the envy of everyone on here. one last thing, another reason i said to move it in that corner and against the wall was to get some light reflection of those walls and on to your plants. use ur light meter to see what im talking about. having the light close to the wall its going to reflect more light then where its placed now. well i hope that helps dude im sub'd and in for the ride..............................
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researchkitty
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Picture time! Taken just a few minutes ago (Thursday apr 15th).
Other than the mutant who will be thrown in the garbage in a day or two, the rest of the plants are either 18" tall if untopped, and 15-16" tall if topped with UncleBen's 4 cola method.
Can you tell which is which?
Here it is spelled out. I topped them 4 days ago, so your seeing more than just half tall plants, the 4 shoots have grown just as fast as the rest of the other plants since topped.
Right now, 9 plants have been topped, and 12 have not been topped. (One is the mutant that will be thrown away, and the other is one that didnt have alternating nodes and topped itself, that's the one closest to the carbon filter thats about 20" tall).
To my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong, but this will be the first grow where 9 plants are topped with Ben's method, and 9 plants are not. I'm going to separate them under lights as well, 9 under one, 9 under the other for the test as well.
This will tell me if his method works, how well it works, and a DIRECT comparison of identical environments with only one variable, being topped or not. Reading is one thing, but nobody in his thread did a comparison over the last few YEARS of it being up, so here's mine instead.
Other than the mutant who will be thrown in the garbage in a day or two, the rest of the plants are either 18" tall if untopped, and 15-16" tall if topped with UncleBen's 4 cola method.
Can you tell which is which?
Here it is spelled out. I topped them 4 days ago, so your seeing more than just half tall plants, the 4 shoots have grown just as fast as the rest of the other plants since topped.
Right now, 9 plants have been topped, and 12 have not been topped. (One is the mutant that will be thrown away, and the other is one that didnt have alternating nodes and topped itself, that's the one closest to the carbon filter thats about 20" tall).
To my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong, but this will be the first grow where 9 plants are topped with Ben's method, and 9 plants are not. I'm going to separate them under lights as well, 9 under one, 9 under the other for the test as well.
This will tell me if his method works, how well it works, and a DIRECT comparison of identical environments with only one variable, being topped or not. Reading is one thing, but nobody in his thread did a comparison over the last few YEARS of it being up, so here's mine instead.
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researchkitty
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Thank you for your very thoughtful and diagram for your advice! I've got two more lights for 4 of 6 to be installed, and I'll be arranging the room so the lights overlap and give the 1' of walking space around them as suggest by you and a few others. Its funny, even after having done some commercial growing, I forget little things like overlapping lights. Le'sigh.ok this is what i would do if i was you. Move the setup in the corner, in that first picture on top of this page line it up against that corner, maybe 1 to 2 feet off the wall the first bucket i drew a diagram to explain. the x-plants L- light so L1 is light 1. Now since u have 1000 watters you can do 16 under one light especially if you have another 1000water right next to it. some people will say thats too much so you could do 3 rows of 4 under each light equaling 12 plants under one light, now i noticed you only had 21 plants... what r u doing with 6k in lights? If you can get more ebb n flo buckets and clone some of these ones then u could really be off and running. basically u want to utilize ur space to the best of ur abilities, having all those babies in a sea of green, right now urs is looking like the plants in pinneapple express lol
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. x x L1 x x
. x x L1 x x
. x x L1 x x
. x x L1 x x
. x x L2 x x
. x x L2 x x
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. x x L2 x x
. x x L3 x x
. x x L3 x x ect...
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I still plan to keep 9 plants under each light, though, as oppsed to 12 or 16. Since the 9 plants will most likely be topped with UncleBen's topping method permanantly in every crop, that's 36 main colas per lamp and a pretty tight canopy already.I like to keep 4x4. That gives me 63 watts of light per sqft of space.
Happy to colllaborate on anything and make something new.
I've still got 4 lights being installed, and looking for a few more "experiments" to run alongside the UncleBen Topping Method test. One I planned on for next crop is a "to foliar or not to foliar". That'll be much later of course.
researchkitty
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I cant wait to separate the 9 buckets from the other 9. Going to do that now. Back with pics in a few minutes. 
researchkitty
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Bucket organization complete.
Light "A". All but two plants (the one that's huge and in the middle and the one thats extremely puny in the middle) are topped.
Light "B". No plants are topped.
Remember. The ONLY DIFFERENCE between light A and light B is whether the plants are topped or untopped. No other growing conditions are different whatsoever.
Thanks for looking! Will update pictures as usual every few days.
Light "A". All but two plants (the one that's huge and in the middle and the one thats extremely puny in the middle) are topped.
Light "B". No plants are topped.
Remember. The ONLY DIFFERENCE between light A and light B is whether the plants are topped or untopped. No other growing conditions are different whatsoever.
Thanks for looking! Will update pictures as usual every few days.
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researchkitty
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That's why I went with 9 too. 12 seemed weird, 4 plants by 3 plants, and 16 is too many for the height I'll have.
I'm undecided on Co2. What do yall think? The room isnt really sealed at all, and I'm continually exhausting air from the room. I question the benefit vs cost for THIS setup. With the fan continually exhausting, is it worth it? Or, is there a simple changearound I can do to aid Co2?
clipse0
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with your setup it really wouldnt be that hard to add co2, the way to do it is you need an air conditioner, that way you dont have to vent out the room, the panda film (black and white poly) is what i used to make my room air tight. look at it like this, your taking the time and money and possible fed bullshit so you might as well get the full outcome you have comming, co2 can add 15 to 30% more final weight, for about 400 for a co2 burner and coupla hundo for the air conditioner me personally i think its worth it
laceygirl
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Hi kitty been reading your posts, I'd love to have a basement, it would be the best... For now I have to use my double garage...lol...
I only have one tiny piece of advice as you seem to have everything else well taken care of...
Get those lights closer to your plants and get a thermometer in the top of the pots with the plants so you can monitor the temps to see how close you can get your lights... It seems to me you are wasting a lot of lumens just in distance... My 1000watt are only 22 inches away from my plants and the temp is a perfect 28 degrees celcius, sorry about the temps, I'm Australian...lol..
You will see greater growth and your plants will love you for it...
Laceygirl...
I only have one tiny piece of advice as you seem to have everything else well taken care of...
Get those lights closer to your plants and get a thermometer in the top of the pots with the plants so you can monitor the temps to see how close you can get your lights... It seems to me you are wasting a lot of lumens just in distance... My 1000watt are only 22 inches away from my plants and the temp is a perfect 28 degrees celcius, sorry about the temps, I'm Australian...lol..
You will see greater growth and your plants will love you for it...
Laceygirl...