What do gays really want?

[upnorth2505]

NOBODY knows why their son is gay.

who's to say THEY didn't encourage it by THINKING they saw gay behavior(?).


come on, at least try to understand.

I do include it in my thinking process. Being a "fag" believe me, I have read, re-read, researched, been counciled, talked to other people, wrote essays, discussed with my doctor, talked to ministers, etc. So my thoughts on the matter are pretty well informed.

And I am not making the poor "victim" arguement here. Have I experienced discrimination? Yeah, serveral times. But I do not really feal like a "victim". I think it is important that a person's mind and heart is in the right place.

But I would encourage everyone to read about the "younger son" reason for being gay. Please keep an open mind while reading it. That is only fair.

 

[shepj]

But I would encourage everyone to read about the "younger son" reason for being gay. Please keep an open mind while reading it. That is only fair.

meh.. psychologists say numerous things about what children will be like via the order they come out in, honestly from the information I have seen (mind you I have not read about it in this case), has been total horseshit.

 

[upnorth2505]

meh.. psychologists say numerous things about what children will be like via the order they come out in, honestly from the information I have seen (mind you I have not read about it in this case), has been total horseshit.

You seriously need to read about this before forming a judgement. This is a study that is serious and not some "pop" psychology.

 

[shepj]

You seriously need to read about this before forming a judgement. This is a study that is serious and not some "pop" psychology.

Dude.. I was talking about studies conducted by Sigmund Freud.. you know, one of the most notable psychologist in the history of psychology?

 

[shnkrmn]

Dude.. I was talking about studies conducted by Sigmund Freud.. you know, one of the most notable psychologist in the history of psychology?

Freud was NOT a scientist. He probably wasn't a very good therapist either.

 

[upnorth2505]

Freud was NOT a scientist. He probably wasn't a very good therapist either.

Agreed. Although he popularized "talk" therapies, his pyscho-sexual therories have been largely disproven.

 

[dukeofbaja]

Freud is pretty old news in psychology.

 

[justmark03]

they just want to be understood... and treated like a princess LOL

 

[PadawanBater]

So nice of you to start your reasoned and rational response with intelligent and well thought out insults.

Glad ya liked it.

And congrats to you too, you managed to play the race card in a debate about gay men in the forest with your teenage son.

It applies. Discrimination against homosexuals is exactly the same as discrimination against other minorities.

Anything involving a (hypothetical) 13 year old son of mine is utterly my business. None of your business, but all mine. What a bizarre statement you make.

I was obviously talking about their homosexuality, not your (hypothetical) son. Try to stick with us... Another persons sexual orientation is none of your business. If you disagree, feel free to explain why you think it is.

Perhaps people shouldn't indirectly condone abnormal behaviour.
Perhaps people should call a spade a spade. You also assume people are threatened by gay public affection, but you omit other reactions like disgust, horror, humor, confusion, and curiosity.

What is abnormal is you would garner such feelings as "disgust, horror, humor, confusion, or curiosity" about homosexual people. Apparently you're really confused as to who these people are...

Disgust would imply homosexual behavior disgusts you. This I'd imagine being, again men specifically of course, showing any kind of affection for each other in public. Be it holding hands, kissing, or even something as innocent as pushing each other on a swing, you'd probably consider it disgusting... (if you think that's normal, seek professional help immediately)

Horror would suggest their behavior terrifies you, like you might struggle with homosexual nightmares or something. Again, I'd advise you to seek some help as that's not normal behavior.

How bout humor? This indicates immediately that you gain a certain amount of pleasure out of the opposition homosexuals face daily. Another clear indication of abnormal behavior. Seek help.

Confusion? Understandable. This would also explain the motive behind a lot of your previous statements.

Curiosity? Also understandable. You should educate yourself on the entire issue and construct a logical conclusion considering equal human rights, discrimination, and tolerance. You would supremely benefit from that.

No, of course not, all the mincing about, flamboyancy and gay accent just 'happened', -must have been in you since birth eh?

I can't really comment on that because I'm not in that position. I do know a few homosexual men personally who exhibit this characteristic but guess what? Plenty of them don't. It could be a chemical imbalance in early development that gives them more dominant feminine traits, but they happen to be born male. Plenty of research backs this up. Exactly the same thing with lesbians who exhibit dominant male traits, or how Rick would put it the Bull Dykes!

No, my entire human genetic makeup is structured for the purpose of reproduction, no decision needed, it's in your blood and bones, you're born with it.

Awesome, but that's not what I asked, and I'm not interested in playing skirt the question, so I'll ask it again; Did you choose to be straight? Did you ever make a conscious decision one day - "I'm straight, I like females (or males if you're actually a female, but for some reason I have a weird feeling this is a sock account Rick made up to back up his original one because nobody else ever does...)? If you didn't, then why would you assume homosexual people did?

Here you actually get the jist of it but completely miss the point. You incorrectly assume people are born gay. Gayness is an effect of environment.

I'd say it's both, genetic and environmental influences. The broader question is (which there's actually already an entire thread about, linked here - https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/308136-different-angle-homosexual-debate.html )why should it matter?

Yes, that is an absurd accusation. I wonder who said that? Wasn't me who said that, I've just checked every post I made in this thread, and yep, 100% positive I didn't say that. If you could quote me on that, you know, a direct cut'n'paste, then maybe you'll make sense. Perhaps, and only perhaps, you misunderstood me and then reacted without first seeking clarification?

You're sitting there the entire time saying that a kid could somehow become influenced to become homosexual if he witnessed homosexual behavior (to phrase it a little more eloquently than you so disrespectfully did before...) going on around him. I gave you a scenario in which your own little theory you presented was put to the test, and you came back with "IT FAILED" - thanks for proving my point.

Also amazing is adults lack of comprehension and slowness of understanding, contrasting their amazingly fast reactive and judgemental abilities that come into play once they think they hold the high ground.

http://www.conservativevalues.com/

Again with the 'insult and attack' method. It's getting boring now. Just for larks I'll list the bits you imagined in your fury.

1) Raving Sex addicts

2)Unprotected Sex

3)Many Different Partners


Where oh where did you read any of this in my post? Please cut n paste so we may see you are not delusional. It seems like you added in your own pre-conceived notions of homosexual stereotyping merely to accuse me of such and bolster your argument.

"hack his hiney hymen"
"your son's ass-cherry"
" randy camper syndrome and start butt-blasting each other behind the bushes"
"because he sure as hell knows as well as you and I that if they were alone they'd be going for gold"
" He can decide later on in life if rimming a hairy biker's choccie starfish is what he wants to do for fun"
"Homosexuality is not normal"

<- This is where you posit a loaded supposition.

...nope, I was honestly just wondering why you're concerned with what homosexual people do with themselves... That seems a bit odd to me...

<- This is where you again imply a negative.

...nope, again, just curious, you seem to be against the freedom of choice (or for a certain group of citizens anyway...).

<- The most blatant appeal to patriotism, and again *sigh* implying in situ that I am unpatriotic.

No, I'm implying that you're unamerican, not unpatriotic. The freedom of choice is fundamental to our American society. You don't like it, you have the freedom to pack your shit and move to Pakistan, where it's still OK to hate the homosexuals. Our society would benefit without'cha.

Yeah, like I said in my post, his choices later ( about anything ) will be based on earlier experiences, adding or editing who and what influences your childs development is normal, and indeed mandatory for appropriate parenting.

So you're disregarding the, literally, millions of homosexual people who are born into happy homes and lead perfectly normal healthy childhoods? Are you using the argument that every homosexual person has some kind of troubled past or traumatic experience?

Although it is abnormal. Commonplace, but still an abnormality. I know exactly what I am talking about, you just might not understand it witha mind clouded by political correctness, emotional and flawed reasoning, and worst of all the erroneous pomposity of an overly altruistic yet thoroughly misguided zealot. Your opinions are shaped by those who you defend. You are only repeating what you think makes you appear as a fair and equitable non biased juror. You feel your accomodating stance and impartiality towards homosexuality makes you a better person somehow. Your weak opinion is based on nothing more than what you think will make you look good.

Thank God YOU'RE here to tell ME what's best for MYSELF!

Another bizarre statement, another weird retort to your own imaginings. I suggest a reading comprehension course. Then, when you are capable you might be able to stand on your own two feet and argue on your merits rather than lash out with groundless inflammatory rhetoric.

You don't get to dictate other peoples actions, not in a free society, not in America. Move to a place that better suits your interests, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, all fantastic options for a person like you who feels those sorts of things are OK...

I'm sorry but until you actually understand what you are replying to you cannot be taken the least bit seriously. You just aren't in the same class.

...and worst of all the erroneous pomposity of a thoroughly misguided zealot.

Couldn't make this shit up...

 

[upnorth2505]

they just want to be understood... and treated like a princess LOL

You sound like a sweetheart. . . And a big brute. Wanna go on a date?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

You've done it now, Paddy.

You said 'pack your shit' to a homophobe.

Them's fightin' words.

 

[dukeofbaja]

You've done it now, Paddy.

You said 'pack your shit' to a homophobe.

Them's fightin' words.

I will smoke a bowl to that. Bowl, not pole

 

[upnorth2505]

I will smoke a bowl to that. Bowl, not pole

You funny!

 

[fdd2blk]

he must really hate himself, ....

Calif state senator says he's gay after DUI arrest - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTmTNr4Wc0XB17-GRZP3GeiyOX4wD9EAP8BO0

 

[upnorth2505]

he must really hate himself, ....

Calif state senator says he's gay after DUI arrest - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTmTNr4Wc0XB17-GRZP3GeiyOX4wD9EAP8BO0

You said in another post too. I guess I am thick headed, but what do you mean?

Are you talking about closet cases being "self lothing?"

Hate himself for coming out?

Or he had hated himself and now he is out?

Or sarcastic and never hated himself at all?

Or should hate himself for being gay?

Sorry for being so dumb.

 

[nj10ii]

Would be my assumption that gays want no more and no less than what i want.

Living life to the fullest and in peace.

 

[fdd2blk]

You said in another post too. I guess I am thick headed, but what do you mean?

Are you talking about closet cases being "self lothing?"

Hate himself for coming out?

Or he had hated himself and now he is out?

Or sarcastic and never hated himself at all?

Or should hate himself for being gay?

Sorry for being so dumb.

it's more interesting to hear what you think i meant then to actually tell you.

keep going, .......

 

[Rob Roy]

it's more interesting to hear what you think i meant then to actually tell you.

keep going, .......

Yes...but do you REALLY know what he actually meant when you thought he was asking you to clarify the meaning of what you said that you thought he didn't understand the meaning of? Maybe he's fucking with you or maybe he isn't, but just to plant the thought that he could be is the reason he asked you to clarify what he really knows but wants you to think he's unsure of...did you ever consider that? Betcha didn't!

 

[fdd2blk]

Yes...but do you REALLY know what he actually meant when you thought he was asking you to clarify the meaning of what you said that you thought he didn't understand the meaning of? Maybe he's fucking with you or maybe he isn't, but just to plant the thought that he could be is the reason he asked you to clarify what he really knows but wants you to think he's unsure of...did you ever consider that? Betcha didn't!

there is one thing i do know, gays drive drunk.

 

[Katatawnic]

Rob Roy... A.K.A., Crissy Snow! That was the most fun post I've read in days!