just my 2 cents,i was thinking about all the "breeders"shanti,simon,tom hill and a few others,then the seed makers canacopia,joeyweed,cash crop ken,tga,bog,rez and so forth,guys that breed to name strains like urkle,train wreck,bubblegum,appollo,c99,etc.etc.basically they pollinate hyped internet clones,and i have gotten great genetics from jordan of the island,joeyweed,cash crop ken,canacopia all for less then $60,a lot for $35 and $50.but what amazes me is mandela,he never took the name game,he just was able to sell on its merits,he had no super hype machine that has the latest hot clone in it and he charges $30 for 10 beans.now i know shanti and simon have great genetics,buy anything they have and pollinate and your gaurenteed great proginy,so i gotta give props to mandala who put out genetics with out the hyped internet names.but yes we need seed makers like cash crop ken and joeyweed and cannacopia and tga and rez.because we all want to try the new hot clone.But mandala never took that raod,interesting man if you ask me.