CrackerJax
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Heck, willow water will work 
Advanced Nutrients has class....
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jberry
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has anyone been keeping track of how many products AN has discontinued??
it is a lot! ... first they release a million ads and videos letting you know about their breaking research on their amazing products and tell you how the other companies got the ratios wrong (i.e. Hammerhead pk 9/18 VS. standard pk 13/14) ect., ect... Then a year or so later they discontinue those same products because they cant live up to their own "Guarantee".
I think the fact that so many of their products dont last in the market even by their own standard says a lot about the company... Obviously they didnt do their research before releasing the products to the public and that seems to be standard practice for them.
Thats nice big mike says another company is better than them, but im sure its just until he releases another new product twice the price of roots exelerator.... just my opinion tho... if you get good results and like the stuff and dont mind paying the $, then keep rockin them... but i would concider having a back up just in case they pull your favorite AN product off the market... Im not trying to insult the people who use AN, im just trying to point out that they often end up eating their words...
Scorpion Juice, the entire Monkey Juice line, Hammerhead, Jump Start, Sweet Leaf, Carbo Load are just some of their products that they have discontinued lately... im sure there are many more im not aware of.
something just seems wrong about the constant hype up and discontinue thing... doesnt seem like a reliable trustable company to me.
it is a lot! ... first they release a million ads and videos letting you know about their breaking research on their amazing products and tell you how the other companies got the ratios wrong (i.e. Hammerhead pk 9/18 VS. standard pk 13/14) ect., ect... Then a year or so later they discontinue those same products because they cant live up to their own "Guarantee".
I think the fact that so many of their products dont last in the market even by their own standard says a lot about the company... Obviously they didnt do their research before releasing the products to the public and that seems to be standard practice for them.
Thats nice big mike says another company is better than them, but im sure its just until he releases another new product twice the price of roots exelerator.... just my opinion tho... if you get good results and like the stuff and dont mind paying the $, then keep rockin them... but i would concider having a back up just in case they pull your favorite AN product off the market... Im not trying to insult the people who use AN, im just trying to point out that they often end up eating their words...
Scorpion Juice, the entire Monkey Juice line, Hammerhead, Jump Start, Sweet Leaf, Carbo Load are just some of their products that they have discontinued lately... im sure there are many more im not aware of.
something just seems wrong about the constant hype up and discontinue thing... doesnt seem like a reliable trustable company to me.
Uncle Ben
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How strong is it? Phosphoric acid from a brewers supply store is a cheap (and stable) product for dropping your pH. Added benefit is the P available to plants.
Jump Start? Right....
blahblahblah123
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Course, to be fair, even if AN wasn't a bunch of snake oil products these two guys could never give an unbiased opinion on it as they've been on the hate wagon for too long..
No disrespect meant.
No disrespect meant.
Uncle Ben
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I'll bite. Other than the outrageous price, what makes it awesome?
Gixxerboy
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Mr.Ben I'm not trying to correct u sir ,but I went to Dyna-Gro's site and they don't have a Blossom Booster (3-12-6) listed, but they do have a Dyna-Grow Liquid Bloom (3-12-6) under Complete Plant Nutrients not under Nutrient Supplements.Is this the one you were referring to?
Uncle Ben
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Yep, that's the one. Wrong name, right NPK, 16 elements in all.
jberry
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it says "pure concentrate Phosphoric Acid".... but $45.00 for a gallon.
i guess the good news is it is soo strong that i only need a couple of ml. for each 55 gallon rez. and it appears that the stuff is going to last a number of years.
Silky Shagsalot
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i got free samples of h&g's coco line, including some roots excelurator from my local store a while back. it's all very good stuff! the roots exc. is def. an excellent product. but, it is very pricey, for sure.
CrackerJax
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Pricing aside and product/company trashing aside.... I was simply impressed by his willingness to not only admit his company had been bested, but was willing to send a vid to all of his past customers in an e-mail telling them so.
Sure, it's smart marketing if you want to look at it from a cynical angle, but it's also an honest act. And in marketing....that's rare air.
That's all.
Sure, it's smart marketing if you want to look at it from a cynical angle, but it's also an honest act. And in marketing....that's rare air.
That's all.
CrackerJax
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No, his Jumpstart is completely safe....just got outperformed in grow trials, that's all.
It's hard to screw up rooting hormone.
It's hard to screw up rooting hormone.
GrowingfortheGold
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Let's not forget that this is great PR. There are positives for this company. Since they seem to push marketing by the old fireside chats. Cue Eisenhower or was that Rosevelt...It's been awhile. By puting a friendly face who you can relate too...(notice household setting and casual attire along with background info). This allows them to seemingly build a trusting relationship with the consumer. Skepticism is key to deciding fact from fiction. There angle is unique and it works, unfortunately for them knowledge is power and it cuts into their sales...
Yep...
Almost like they want you to continue buying new products thinking they are better. SPEND SPEND SPEND! Yes lemmings go ...It would be easy to overmarket an expensive product with average results for an above average price to the mj growing scene. Then dip for a bit and market a new product doing the same thing but better! Well all the lemmings have to go try it themselves.
Also did he really do Child Porn? If that was widespread knowledge it would kill his homely david goliath I can relate blog video marketing schemes. Don't immediately trust capitalist businessman they are out for money =o.
CrackerJax
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It's a serious accusation... I'm sure Ben knew it to be true or he wouldn't have posted it....(??)
notoriousb
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well I took about 40 cuttings of some grapefruit diesel that I had grown from seed and I used Juicy Roots by AN because:
A. it was a good price-- $12 for 2 oz (more than enough)
B. friends who work at the hydro store I buy from were all raving about seeing the biggest roots theyd ever seen when their cuttings rooted
C. saw beast like results here on riu.org from others who had used it.
still interested to see how the Jump Start works tho, so I soaked my rapid rooter plugs in a diluted solution of it and then misted the cuttings once under the dome. Im tempted to try the HG root accelerator but why should I pay more for HG if the AN products work fine? the Jump Start was only $20
but I will say this, I do believe their real ferts and nutes are just fancied up bottles with catchy labels that dont elaborate much on what's really in the mix, so I will NOT be buying any of their ridiculous over-priced lines of ferts
A. it was a good price-- $12 for 2 oz (more than enough)
B. friends who work at the hydro store I buy from were all raving about seeing the biggest roots theyd ever seen when their cuttings rooted
C. saw beast like results here on riu.org from others who had used it.
still interested to see how the Jump Start works tho, so I soaked my rapid rooter plugs in a diluted solution of it and then misted the cuttings once under the dome. Im tempted to try the HG root accelerator but why should I pay more for HG if the AN products work fine? the Jump Start was only $20
but I will say this, I do believe their real ferts and nutes are just fancied up bottles with catchy labels that dont elaborate much on what's really in the mix, so I will NOT be buying any of their ridiculous over-priced lines of ferts
oaksterdamn31
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well I took about 40 cuttings of some grapefruit diesel that I had grown from seed and I used Juicy Roots by AN because:
A. it was a good price-- $12 for 2 oz (more than enough)
B. friends who work at the hydro store I buy from were all raving about seeing the biggest roots theyd ever seen when their cuttings rooted
C. saw beast like results here on riu.org from others who had used it.
still interested to see how the Jump Start works tho, so I soaked my rapid rooter plugs in a diluted solution of it and then misted the cuttings once under the dome. Im tempted to try the HG root accelerator but why should I pay more for HG if the AN products work fine? the Jump Start was only $20
but I will say this, I do believe their real ferts and nutes are just fancied up bottles with catchy labels that dont elaborate much on what's really in the mix, so I will NOT be buying any of their ridiculous over-priced lines of ferts
Wow. This whole thread just goes to show one thing: say anything about Advanced Nutrients, good or bad, and you're going to get lambasted.
It's sad, really.
I think it's clear that some people will NEVER use Advanced Nutrients based on some immature logic that something that says it's amazing simply can't be. I mean, yes, when something is too good to be true, that is usually the case, but I know from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that AN lives up to its promises of bigger buds and bigger harvests.
But that's not to say that I think everyone should use it. I mean, some people just don't want to believe it. That's cool, they don't have to.
The only thing I care about is my harvests and how they're great each and every time.
And I actually laugh every time I see things like 'snake oil' in reference to nute companies. Seriously? Wasn't that something that was a big deal in 1800s?
No one can get away with selling crap anymore. If anyone had proof that Advanced Nutrients was snake oil, then it would be ALL OVER the Web. But I haven't seen any proof yet.
All I see are other nute fanboys that seem to speak up any time someone says they support Advanced Nutrients. Really, don't you guys have better things to do than to argue against a nutrient you've obviously never used?
Me? I don't care what you use. I just wish folks would step up with some proof of their argument.
And as for that video, I caught it on my Urban Grower subscription and I have to say that Big Mike has balls. I don't see any other nutrient companies supporting another company's product.
No matter what Big Mike's intentions are, that video should get attention. That's something remarkable. I can only hope other companies do the same. I mean, wouldn't it be great if all the nute companies just worked together for the GROWERS and not just for their bottom line.
I use AN because they do support growers. That means something to me.
And yes, I'm bracing for an attack since that's certainly what all of the AN haters seem to want to spend their time doing. Me? I'm going go back to my grow room to setup a new round.
Do your research folks, then argue. Then I'd have more respect for people who just go after a company whenever they've even mentioned.
