advanced nutrients vs. fox farm

theloadeddragon

theloadeddragon

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think I can handle it ;). Babies are my favorite.... then they grow up.... wish they would just stay little for me forever.... be my babies forever...... lol...... in my heart and memories anyways :)
 
Lifted1

Lifted1

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well i just grew out the exact same cutting my brother grows. he uses GH and all kinds of stuff. including some AN big bud?.

i run simple pbpgrow, roots xltr, cal mag plus for veg and then H and G line plus hygrozyme for flower.

his gear permeates damn near anything you put it in. hard to carry for sure. great flavor.

mine, well.....cured alright but imma try his recipe next lol.


i think some recipes kill and some are terds. imma keep emulating those that make a livin outta it cuz so far thats where my best cuttings/results have come from. =
keep on keepnon.
 
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Imaulle

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I just finished up a batch using GH FloraNova Grow & Bloom, GH Floralicious Plus, and GH Liquid Koolbloom, following the general guidelines used by most people. Honestly, I wasn't too happy with my results. IMO, anything from GH is just not good with soil...

I've been reading and following everything Uncle Ben has said and this next batch is going to use $10 worth of jack's classics for both veg and flower. After only 2 feedings I can already notice a huge difference. I'm expecting to get 6 to 8+ ounces a plant. Yes, I'm that confident!!! :lol:
 
Lifted1

Lifted1

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im not talkin bout using a "line" of pruducts. specifically gh. and the base was micro, grow, bloom, not FN line.

im talkin bout mixing different products from different manufacturers to get the end result you desire.

it just so happens that this particular cut of gdp is hands down the stinkiest bud i've had in my pocket in a while and i got the exact cut. i got it from him. my way was better cuz i know right?.......well, by the results id say i was wrong and will be trying his recipe mix he uses lol. which is what i shoulda dun to start with. but we all can grow betta than another so hahahah right?lol

in my mind the answer is not a line. but def strains desire different mixes and reward the grower for finding them. my personal experience no disrespect. i wish peeps were more into posting this aspect per strain.

sTaY LiFtEd!
 
bushmang

bushmang

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Uncle Ben said:
The best approach is to find out the NPK and micro values/ratio. If you don't know that, you'll never become a master gardener.

If you really analyze the "cannabis specific" foods, you'll realize that most of them are crap, designed to empty the pockets of primarily noobs or the unsophisticated grower, their primary targets.

UB
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uncle ben which nute config do you suggest for a commercial nft system where yield is the primary focus. You seem to have the most experience with nutes and nute companies and was wondering if you could help me step up from novice. :) thanks
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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bushmang said:
uncle ben which nute config do you suggest for a commercial nft system where yield is the primary focus. You seem to have the most experience with nutes and nute companies and was wondering if you could help me step up from novice. :) thanks
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Try Dyna-Gro. They are complete and designed for hydro.
 
decrimCA

decrimCA

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Uncle Ben said:
Try Dyna-Gro. They are complete and designed for hydro.
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Huh. I've been reading around the forums this week and it seems like a lot of people have been talking about this dyna grow stuff, but I haven't seen it in my hydro place.

It will be interesting to see how people's grows turn out with it, anyway.

I'm a little concerned about any new products on the market since they don't seem to come close to what Advanced Nutrients has to offer. Not only is the quality high, but the nutes are stable and they've worked consistently for me.

What's really sold me personally is their devotion and support of medical MJ growers. They make their nutes specifically for MMJ, which is just darn cool in my books. I mean, I'm sure other nutes do too, but when they don't even mention who they're making their nutrients for, that seems a little stupid to me.

AN has the balls to time and time again admit what their nutrients are for - that is just something that others don't do or are afraid to do. And why? MJ is going to be legal pretty quick here, so why not just join Advanced Nutrients and promote products that help growers grow?

What's really sold me too is the fact that AN talks to me like I'm not a criminal - well, and I'm not being licensed and all - but you never get this sense like you're doing something know by growing MJ. These guys are just top notch in my book from the research they do to the customer service they provide to the nutes, of course.

Wow. Let me get off my soapbox. :cuss:

But I would be curious to know if Dyna-grow can compete with my AN? Let us know - or just let me know since others are probably going to say I'm too much of an AN fanboy. Eh, whatever. I don't really care.

:bigjoint:
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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decrimCA said:
Huh. I've been reading around the forums this week and it seems like a lot of people have been talking about this dyna grow stuff, but I haven't seen it in my hydro place.

It will be interesting to see how people's grows turn out with it, anyway.
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This is NOT a new product, you are a new gardener that has alot to learn.

Dyna-Gro is one of the oldest and most respected firms around. They were selling their goodies while Advanced Shysters was still messin' in their drawers.

You don't have a clue, do your homework. There is no such thing as "cannabis specific" foods, only in your mind. That is another marketing farce they use. A plant is a plant and does not require anything more than the 14 or so essential elements, which their products do not offer, even when you're manipulated and swindled into buying 8 of them to even get close to what one Dyna-Gro product offers.

Advanced Shysters understands the psychology of this community and uses this insight extremely well to their advantage. They are not your friend, they are only in it for the money as their overpriced watered down crap suggests and their sucker ads and label names imply.

UB
 
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badness

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hey ub, how far into flowering do the roots stop growing? or do they stop at all? i know, wrong thread for this question hope ok. thanks
 
DaveCoulier

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Uncle Ben said:
This is NOT a new product, you are a new gardener that has alot to learn.

Dyna-Gro is one of the oldest and most respected firms around. They were selling their goodies while Advanced Shysters was still messin' in their drawers.

You don't have a clue, do your homework. There is no such thing as "cannabis specific" foods, only in your mind. That is another marketing farce they use. A plant is a plant and does not require anything more than the 14 or so essential elements, which their products do not offer, even when you're manipulated and swindled into buying 8 of them to even get close to what one Dyna-Gro product offers.

Advanced Shysters understands the psychology of this community and uses this insight extremely well to their advantage. They are not your friend, they are only in it for the money as their overpriced watered down crap suggests and their sucker ads and label names imply.

UB
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Amen. decrimCA, AN works for you Im sure, but have you ever tried any other nutes? Its real easy to say, "I tried this, and it worked for me, so Im just gonna stick with it." Yet, there are other nutes out there that will do just as good without burning a hole in your wallet.

As for AN being marketed for MJ...Just think who is going to be a more profitable market for them: A bunch of newbies growing weed, or long time gardeners who will smell BS from a mile away when AN comes marching down the street with their Infinity +1 lineup of nutes.
 
OB Cron Kenobi

OB Cron Kenobi

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I have grown with both. I have used Fox Farm in Soil and in Hydro. I have never used AN in soil. But I can say that FF doesnt respond well to hydro. And comparing my best foxfarm buds to even my worse AN buds is no competition.

I was expecting AN to give me denser and exponentially larger buds. It did not do that. There is a bigger swell to the buds, but not huge. The big difference is in the trichs. Using AN my trichs are huge and cover the buds, glistening. FF left me with small frosty like crystals, not those large icy ones I like. Also taste is a major improvement with AN.

Another awesome things about AN is their PH stability. I can almost set it and forget it. They run quite stable.

Also AN supports legalization and pro-marijuana efforts. Last year, Fox Farm and General Hydroponics corporate CEO's all met at the San Fransisco Garden Expo and would not let Advanced reps come. Advance's response: Flying a 300 yard banner of a macro shot of a crystally bud with a tag that said- "Want big sugary buds" Any company who sticks their neck out like that is on my team.
 
theloadeddragon

theloadeddragon

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I have been considering switching from Fox Farms to Dyna Gro for quite a while now...... not Peters or Schultz though..... I would NEVER USE AN!!!

you can call their support line and leave a message...... and get no reply...... because they don't want to answer my in depth questions (I have left 12 messages now asking questions on point), nor will they respond to my emails. I have simply told them I will happily switch to their product, and use it on large scale... if they would simply answer in full detail a very specific series of questions..... the only time I have gotten a reply back is when I don't include the questions.... and the reply is that they would be happy to answer any questions I have about USING the product..... they don't seem too eager to answer ANY questions about the products themselves....

Dyna Gro, however was quite the opposite. They were more than happy to explain everything they could to me about the products, including source materials, mixing procedures, sterilizations, concentration fluctuations, storing and shipping practices, alternative product uses, additional products or additives that may or may not be beneficial and in what ways etc. etc. Lol.... we even got into a little lengthy conversation about WHY they use the ratios they do (had to wait for a call back from their bio chem tech though.... and it was worth it) They understood exactly WHY I use BBB along with my FFTB and BB....... she even admitted that in combining the two (FF and BB), I do get an added benefit that their products don't have without purchasing their supplement (pro tekt)..... We even discussed using other media (besides their gro rocks) and agreed that their products would work best with either pure CoCo, or a less N-P-K buffered media like Bio Bizz All Mix (after about 30 minutes they said BBAM would probably be the best thing to use)

I am already very familiar with Fox Farms products, and I think have made it clear that I am not completely satisfied with their products using them by themselves. When Used appropriately though, I would definitely say, that you get More Bang for your BUCK out of FF than AN. And I am about to do a comparison to see about whether or not I will get more Bang for My BUCK out of using Dyna Gro as apposed to FF.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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badness said:
hey ub, how far into flowering do the roots stop growing? or do they stop at all? i know, wrong thread for this question hope ok. thanks
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They stop about 49.6 hours into flowering.

OB Cron Kenobi said:
Also AN supports legalization and pro-marijuana efforts.
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I suport legalization, so what?

There you have it folks, AN is all about piggy backing on the sentiments of the decrim idealogues and pro cannabis cultists. Has nothing to do with botany and value added products.

UB
 
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