Oregon! First to legalize?

[Kant]

Just to jump back a few pages where someone said it would take a lot of major states to legalize before the fed's would and that California was the only state where there was med mari laws. I think that is what is wrong with people in their 20's to early 30's in this country (US) we breed ignorance and laziness, no one desires to do anything even if it is typing words in a search engine...there are a few states that have med mari laws and a few that have decrim poss so while Cali may make news its not the only one just cause its the only one on the T.V. Also if you would have clicked the link and read the proposal you would see the age is 21 and it is for 2010...I know half of you are high but shit you don't even have to get up, just click. Also to add to the argument Alaska overturned a city decision to jail a man for possession of more than an ounce when state constitution said up to 4 ounces was legal in your home and city law made it illegal (I believe 4 ounces, maybe less), my point here is that states don't like to get punked and I personally believe that whether it be city or fed's if a state says it's legal, you appeal to a state judge or higher and you should win. JMO
Medical Marijuana Laws (according to NORML)
Washington
OregonCaliforniaNevada
Montana
Alaska
Colorado
New Mexico
HawaiiMaryland
Vermont
MaineDecriminalization (according to NORML)
Oregon
California
Nevada
Alaska
ColoradoNebraska
Minnesota
MississippiOhio
North Carolina
New York
Maine

These lists do not include many of the states that offer conditional deals I.E. dismissal, probation or community service for first offense possession.
In closing please read the entire post before you attempt to sharp shoot my information.

I was the one who said it and when i said california was the only state to have mmj laws, I meant that california was the only state among the top 7 most populous states to have mmj laws. So unless the electoral college is abolished, politicians with presidential aspirations will pay the most attention to these states because they have the most electoral college votes. If they all had mmj laws then it becomes all the more important for politicians to listen to these people if they want their votes.

 

[GrowItGreen]

I was the one who said it and when i said california was the only state to have mmj laws, I meant that california was the only state among the top 7 most populous states to have mmj laws. So unless the electoral college is abolished, politicians with presidential aspirations will pay the most attention to these states because they have the most electoral college votes. If they all had mmj laws then it becomes all the more important for politicians to listen to these people if they want their votes.

Well to be honest I saw your post and my post was not directed towards yours, you where quite accurate in your statement, you listed the lager states population wise and said Cali was the only one with Medical Marijuana Laws, which is correct. Further more only one other state you listed even has decrim of possession in effect. So I would agree that it would take a lot to get Med Mari Law in Federal and this will probably not happen soon. I personally think it is more likely to go the decriminalization route than Medical Mari myself. Reason being that around 206 of 538 electoral votes belong to states with either Medical Mari Laws or Decrim of poss laws. Also last I checked I think they were saying that it was Clinton then Obama in the their current polls (how they determine this before a vote is cast is beyond me) and both have stated they are for some sort of Decriminalization or at least reducing the severity of punishment of non violent drug charges.

Just to be more clear I was more so directing the last post to the people that couldn't click the link to read about the Oregon proposal but had questions clearly outlined in the proposal and the person that said, how can Oregon do this Cali is the only state with Medical Marijuana Laws.

Finally while I am writing anyway,

I'm freaking out so bad.

Holy Shit Right Now!!!

All these words just made me trip balls!

Was that really even worth writing? Not that the other two posts you put up have any real content but wow, I felt really sorry for you when I read that....I'll just leave it at that.

 

[Kant]

I honestly think it's going to get go medical before general use. I think that even for people who oppose marijuana find it hard to say no to a cancer patient than to say no to a healthy person. I also think there's a stronger push going on for medical use than for general use.

 

[GrowItGreen]

I think that would be more logical to have medical use first but I think that in all honesty most politician don't really care. They see decriminalization as a way of freeing up space in prisons and freeing up tax dollars. That is the only reason that I think decriminalization will be around the corner or at least something close to decrim.

 

[wicked1503]

Oregon will be the first........maybe in 15 yrs. but the first.

 

[Kant]

I think that would be more logical to have medical use first but I think that in all honesty most politician don't really care. They see decriminalization as a way of freeing up space in prisons and freeing up tax dollars. That is the only reason that I think decriminalization will be around the corner or at least something close to decrim.

i actually don't think politicians care one way or the other about the prison pop. they listen to the DEA who claim they are doing a good job spit out a bunch of number and move on. politicians have old stead-fast beliefs and DEA support so there's no incentive to change.

 

[GrowItGreen]

Maybe, I just think its all about the money, it costs tens of thousands of dollars to house a person in jail/prison, so if your state gives out 90 days for possession it could cost the state 10K per person per 90 days and with how bush is running up the deficit they have to get money from somewhere. Just my opinion.

But I do hope that the proposition goes through in Oregon and has a domino effect but I guess we will all just have to wait and see.

 

[Kant]

Maybe, I just think its all about the money, it costs tens of thousands of dollars to house a person in jail/prison, so if your state gives out 90 days for possession it could cost the state 10K per person per 90 days and with how bush is running up the deficit they have to get money from somewhere. Just my opinion.

But I do hope that the proposition goes through in Oregon and has a domino effect but I guess we will all just have to wait and see.

well it is about the money, it's always about the money. But as far as the politicians are concerned it's a good use of the money. those billions of dollar keep "dangerous drug addicts" off the street. Another reason it's going to go medical first is because it's harder to put that label on someone with cancer or aids. politically speaking you can't speak ill of a person with a terminal disease(no pun intended). Personally i think it would be a good thing if it went to them first. Obviously oregon already has mmj laws so that's good.

 

[Your Grandfather]

Kant is correct when he says it is all about money.

We_stoners,etc_do not have the organization the booze & drug manufacturers have. These are the people, who thru their surrogates, seek the insure their position by fighting every initiative, that is put forward to decriminalize_easier to do this than make it legal_anything to do with weed. Look at how their fought against Medical Marijuana.

It is not a big leap of faith to conclude that sales of booze & prozac would crash if weed were legal, so therefore,

If we, are ever to prevail and get the law changed, WE would have to organize and get lobbyists and/or make enough campaign donations were the politicians would realize that to ignore our requests would cost them financially.

Of course, this is just my opinion and I'm probably wrong.

 

[smokinherb]

yeah im glad i live in oregon, but man i hope this passes

 

[granitestate]

i also feel that new england is a very progressive area. Maine and massachucetts have decrim laws (many friends busted in each state merely got a ticket for possession under an ounce). I also know that New Hampshire had a vote in their last congressional elections on the ballot that would have decrim'ed, but all the people that would support it were too dumb or stoned to show up. I think many things have to change for the legalization to occur (and i also agree that just decrim would be better). For this to truly work on a country wide basis we would need to get much more organized, and shed the sterotype that many non-users see. Its the non-users that would need convincing, we already know all about jane. And until the fed acknowledged decrim/legalization legislation, we would all be at the whim of the feds. Their laws trump all state and city laws, read the constitution, its good stuff. America has lost its spirit, no one fights for things anymore, no one rallies. No one sets up marches, no one speaks to the masses. Only for greed does this country mobilize in mass-effect. See waht happens when i dont smoke, i ramble, damnit

 

[Dankfish]

weed wouldnt be as much fun if it was legal lol
if it does eventually become legal it shouldnt be sold in stores..

 

[xenu]

There's NOTHING decrim about Massachusetts. If your friends did get a "ticket" for the misdemeanor, it must have been only a roach. I know people who have been busted for weed, one with the only prior being possession more than ten years before.

One got a years probation. Less than half gram. He had the prior possession.

The other one was offered a plea: The DA would drop the multiple felony charges for scale, papers, roach clips and a glass pipe (found in his car and also on his person) for a guilty plea and six months to serve in a state prison. He had more than a pound, and the court found the scale was illegally obtained by the police. They told him it wouldn't be difficult to argue that he was dealing without the scale.

 

[granitestate]

was your friend under tha age of 21? My friend was just down in the cape, he was talkin to his friend about goin to burn one, there were two staties standin behind them they didnt see that fucked with em. "you two come with me blah blah blah". they got real shook then the cops jus started laughing an said it was fine he was jus bustin their balls, an even if they did get caught it was only a fine. SOOO, if ur under 21 an got busted then yea, cuz ur a minor in possession of a controlled substance. but if ur friend was over 21, then he got raped by the DA

 

[granitestate]

decrim laws are usually for anything less then an oz. Obvbisouly if any law enforcement catches with a pound, scale an all that shit, pos. with intent. Thats obvious, in ANY state. And i think canadas decrim laws are for only a certain amount too. so thats not even a valid argument, thanks

 

[ViRedd]

Well, you Oregonians can get your hopes up, but don't hold your breath. If the Oregon state legislature legalized marijuana, the Feds would cut off all federal funds to your state. No highway funds, no education funds, no federal welfare funds ... NO funds.

I lived in Oregon for a year while working there. I used to drink Jack Daniels. The first time I went to a state liquor store I was really suprised to find that Jack cost about 30% more than the private stores charge in California. So, buying your MJ from a controlled state store wouldn't be any great shakes either.

My impression of Oregon, other than the beauty of nature in all her glory, was not good. It seems like a "make-work" state. I mean, you can't even pump your own gasoline there. The Salem area looks like a city full of welfare reciepients. Most of the women are grossly over weight. And, I found out why they named the capital Salem. Its because people don't drive their cars there ... they sail 'em. I've never seen so damned much rain in my life! If you're a hunter, or like to fish, the place is great. Other than that, what's there?

Just as a point of interest, when Prop. 215 (Medical MJ) was on the ballot here in California in 1996, the largest lobbying group trying to prevent its passage was the California Correctional Officer's Union. Their salaries depend on throwing drug offenders into prison ... and if you're a correctional officer, who would want to stop that?

Vi

 

[Natanis]

Well whatever happens I'll continue honing my skills so that I can have a nice little retirement business in 20 years.... Move off the grid and live off the my 401k and whatever I can grow and sell to the booming legal reefer market. )

 

[granitestate]

if they legalized it tho, the governemt would grow and sell it. I think theyd see it as too much of a risk for private buisness to handle. There will never be a canabis production/distributing corporation like budweiser or miller with beer. itd be sweet if it was, but i dunno if id trust the companies, probly use a ridiculous amount of nutes, and bad ones at that. whatevers cheapest. decrim would be the shit tho, the laws are still on the books, but disregarded, or not really enforced. like jay-walking.

 

[earlymorninstonepeomp]

i say let one. thats 1 local, state or fed tell me i'm within my rights and i'll i'll give em a case to base their lawsuits on. If everyone thought this was a "dream", we'd put our tails between our legs and smoke in closets forever.

 

[GrowItGreen]

if they legalized it tho, the governemt would grow and sell it. I think theyd see it as too much of a risk for private buisness to handle. There will never be a canabis production/distributing corporation like budweiser or miller with beer. itd be sweet if it was, but i dunno if id trust the companies, probly use a ridiculous amount of nutes, and bad ones at that. whatevers cheapest. decrim would be the shit tho, the laws are still on the books, but disregarded, or not really enforced. like jay-walking.

I hate to revisit my previous point but if you actually were to read the proposal it says that people would apply for grow licenses and then in turn sell to the state and MJ would be sold only in state liquor stores.