health care bill passes, ...

[Cloud City]

Some of you folks with Obama Derangement Syndrome act like you're God. This is not your personal forum. Now stop crying like a bunch of snot nosed kiddies for your mommie just cuz you got a little taste of your own medicine. Didn't your parents teach you about the golden rule? You have gotta give respect if you ever want to get respect!!!!!!

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

wow offended fail


you troll and troll and troll offering negative criticism to everything you touch on, without offering anything constructive in return

then say he is the one who needs to be slapped?




at least 1/4 of your posts are insulting some one

Thats well said and I feel for the thread starter. No one should have to put up with people like Cloud City.

 

[Keenly]

lets get back on topic, and ignore the further insults


the version that passed, was it the one containing the amendment where refusing to pay can result in up to 5 years in prison?

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

thank you for ruining my thread.

Cloud city does this to all the threads. He's gone.

Are you for the bill or are you against it?

 

[Cloud City]

Anyways, enough feeding the trolls..



I am really starting to like President Obama more and more every day. First he pulls out of Iraq, then he turns the economy around, and now the healthcare!!!! If he keeps up the good work I've got half a mind to give the man my vote in 2012. Gobama!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MexicanWarlord420]

Just saw this shit on CNN was like running to the computer to make the first thread.

Goddamnit.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

lets get back on topic, and ignore the further insults


the version that passed, was it the one containing the amendment where refusing to pay can result in up to 5 years in prison?

It has changed so much I'm not sure if anybody knows just what was passed! They have been ram-rodding this thing through and they got step one done. But.... WHO KNOWS what is in this version.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

Just saw this shit on CNN was like running to the computer to make the first thread.

Goddamnit.

LOL I was doing the same thing. I was the first to post but what kind of prize is that???
Can you believe it got passed in the House??

 

[Keenly]

It has changed so much I'm not sure if anybody knows just what was passed! They have been ram-rodding this thing through and they got step one done. But.... WHO KNOWS what is in this version.

over 1,000 pages of bureaucracy


im sure that no 1 person knows all the contents of this bill

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

over 1,000 pages of bureaucracy


im sure that no 1 person knows all the contents of this bill

It is not the final bill, we understand this simple fact. Unlike our public servants serving as representatives we actually know how legislation is suppose to be handled. Each person casting their votes to jam through mountains rather than properly scaling them has proven unfit and unable to honor their oath of office. Long overdue is the 'Read the Bills' law and its sister legislation, 'Write the Laws Act.' Each of the 220 votes supporting this method of legislating is hereby put on notice you have earned from your constituents (remember them, you will next year) a right to excel elsewhere.

We are not focusing on the good or bad within this large stack of papers. Why? There is no time allowed for any in-depth consideration or debate on either. Everything those involved in the health care process has argued with one foundational focus, politics. Who will benefit politically? (From G. Wood Radio host )

 

[MexicanWarlord420]

LOL I was doing the same thing. I was the first to post but what kind of prize is that???
Can you believe it got passed in the House??

Wasn't a surprise to me. Democrats have the house and they have a filibuster proof senate.(not including the 20 or so bluedog dems)

Hell if the dems wanted to put in a single payer they could probably get that passed as well.

Were you?

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

I'm against them having anything to do with Health Care. They should have reformed the tort laws first.
All they see is money and more control over all of us.

For those of you more patriotic than party-otic know this is wrong. The entire process, including President Obama's visit to Congress today is an abuse of the system that produces free will principles. It is exactly the tactic used for increasing government oversight of your lives, my life, everyone's life who calls the United States home . We are now in motion for beginning the restoration of our Constitution. It begins with state elections and a current target 220 established tonight by them failing by voting for passage. They need to be removed from office.

 

[Cloud City]

the version that passed, was it the one containing the amendment where refusing to pay can result in up to 5 years in prison?

lol. no.

 

[Cloud City]

I'm against them

Or perhaps you are simply against anything having to do with President Obama no matter what?

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

On a nearly party line division, the 1,990 page healthcare reform bill passed Congress tonight with a 220 - 215 vote. Only one Republican voted for it, while 39 Democrats voted against it. The deciding factor for allowing passage of the vote was the elimination of federal funding on abortions. And while some Democrats are touting that the bill "provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans", the truth is written in the bill iteself.

According to Betsy McCaughey of the Wall Street Journal, "An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer."

This is not a provision of healthcare from the government, rather, it is a mandate from the government to buy healthcare. And it is not necessarily cheaper. A friend of mine just purchased her own health coverage for around $2,400 per year, while making close to $27,000. That is just less then 9 percent of her income.

From the same article, "Sec. 412 (p. 272) says that employers must provide a "qualified plan" for their employees and pay 72.5% of the cost, and a smaller share of family coverage, or incur an 8% payroll tax. Small businesses, with payrolls from $500,000 to $750,000, are fined less."

Many companies do not have the financial means to provide health coverage to their employees. Remember what happened a few years ago when minimum wage was increased? Thousands of people lost their jobs simply because some companies could not afford to give their employees a $2/hour pay raise. Having to pay out the cost of healthcare as well, will cripple these companies, removing the concept of having mom and pop shop top businesses, in favor of large corporations. I don't think Michael Moore even wanted this.

Finally, the healthcare bill requires the purchase of a "qualified plan". What is the qualified plan? That will not be determined for 18 months.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

Did we ever imagine it would have these kinds of financial restrictions? From the many proponents for national healthcare I have spoken with, they believed that the healthcare bill was designed to provide coverage based on an increase in tax, just like all the other countries with socialized medicine. This is not that. This is a financial push into our lives.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

A triumphant Speaker Nancy Pelosi likened the legislation to the passage of Social Security in 1935 and Medicare 30 years later — and Obama issued a statement saying, "I look forward to signing it into law by the end of the year."

"It provides coverage for 96 percent of Americans. It offers everyone, regardless of health or income, the peace of mind that comes from knowing they will have access to affordable health care when they need it," said Rep. John Dingell, the 83-year-old Michigan lawmaker who has introduced national health insurance in every Congress since succeeding his father in 1955."

Yea, you pay for it every paycheck whether you need it or not.

What a bunch of retreads.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

We do not have two political parties in this country, America. We have one party; called the Big Government Party. The Republican wing likes deficits, war, and assaults on civil liberties. The Democratic wing likes wealth transfer, taxes, and assaults on commercial liberties. Both parties like power; and neither is interested in your freedoms. Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom. Freedom is your power and ability to follow your own free will and your own conscience. The government wants you to follow the will of some faceless bureaucrat.

When I recently asked Congressman James Clyburn, the third ranking Democrat in the House, to tell me "Where in the Constitution the federal government is authorized to regulate everyone's healthcare--, he replied that most of what Congress does is not authorized by the Constitution, but they do it anyway. There you have it. Congress recognizes no limits on its power. It doesn't care about the Constitution, it doesn't care about your inalienable rights, it doesn't care about the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, it doesn't even read the laws it writes.

America, this is not an academic issue. If this health care bill becomes law, life as you have known it, freedom as you have exercised it, privacy as you have enjoyed it, will cease to be.

When Congress takes away our freedoms, they will be gone forever. What will you do to prevent this from happening?

 

[Cloud City]

HEALTHCARE FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!! Fuck Yeah!!!!!! The teabaggers heads are gonna explode!!!!!!!!!

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

After voting against H.R. 3962 - Affordable Health Care for America Act, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today made the following statement:

“We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.

“Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care.