Coco Growers Unite!
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jberry
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house & garden is a very good company, some say its better than canna and some say no way... The rumor is that the guy who started H&G use to work at canna and so their products are extremely similar.
if u are growing in coco than you would want to use H&G Cocos A and Coco's B. Along with their additives.
the main difference to me is: If u use H&G shooting powder than you cant reuse the coco medium... If you dont reuse the coco than you may want to concider H&G.
jberry
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using the correct amount of calcium will increase yields... canna designs their nutrients for tap water containing 200 ppm's of cal/mag... if your tap water doesnt contain the 200 ppm than you need to add it yourself. or if you are using R/O water than you will also need to add it.
Innoculating your garden seems to help as well, I use Great White by plant success but there are many products out there.
besides those two things, i wouldnt mix anything else in with your canna line... it has everything you need if you are following the chart... i am 100% sure of that.
i think people may be getting better results from H&G because of the shooting powder aaaand dont quote me on this, but i think H&G may design their nutes for R/O water? if so, that means they are probably putting more calcium in their nutes than canna does... both of these reasons would increase yield imo.
but as i said b4, you cant reuse coco that has had shooting powder or anything like that used on it.
jberry
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u CANT use shooting powder and pk 13-14 at the SAME time... if you want to use them both, than use the pk for week 4, and then use the shooting powder for weeks 6,7, and 8... or something along those lines. (depends on how long of a flowering time you have) and dont re-use the coco.
i havent used bud xl and canna boost at the same time but i do use bud xl INSTEAD of canna boost, and i useto use canna boost but i dont think its worth the $$$ so i stoped using it... the bud xl seems to be good stuff.
be careful with the shooting powder and dont add too much stuff... trust me, more is not better and if you burn your plants it almost always results in smaller than usual yields, even when the plants fully recover.
i havent used bud xl and canna boost at the same time but i do use bud xl INSTEAD of canna boost, and i useto use canna boost but i dont think its worth the $$$ so i stoped using it... the bud xl seems to be good stuff.
be careful with the shooting powder and dont add too much stuff... trust me, more is not better and if you burn your plants it almost always results in smaller than usual yields, even when the plants fully recover.
jberry
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they both have a different npk and i wish i knew a lot more about boost and bud xl then i could find out... but i think the bud XL is better
yes, i have used the shooting powder, it seemed to work well.
yes you can use THAT mix of Canna and H&G products but you may as well switch to H&G, IF you want to use shooting powder and bud XL than i would recommend switching over, they are similar anyhow.
but again, i would say the correct amount of calcium is more important than any additive.
hotboxhatchback
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i've been keeping up with this thread and though i had to pull the plug on my original coco attempt i have 7 girls in coco right now - 2 grape punch, 2 purple urkle, 2 mendo purps, 1 og kush.
i was using watermill ro/di water and i really think the stuff is incompatible with canna coco products. seriously - i had 6 fresh cuttings all rooted dispensary clones. brought them home and put them in brand new canna coco in 3gal pots and began feeding with coco a+b, rhizotonic & cannazyme.
they were totally locked out for the first three days. i couldn't figure it out... pH - 5.7, ppm - 400, nutes - all brand new canna juice. wtf?
they weren't growing at all, the leaves began curling down towards the main stem, all the stems and petioles turned burgandy/purple, necrotic spots on older leaves...
then i went to the canna website to see what difference the ppm of one's tapwater makes in their prescribed feeding chart. none.
so i began using simply unfiltered tap water left to sit uncovered overnight and now 2 days later all 7 plants have almost fully recovered! i think it may be all the extra processes that watermill water goes through but i won't be using it with canna coco products anymore. the og kush was so bad i put her on the back porch one morning to die alone outside but the cali sunlight made the difference and she's the biggest one now!
that said, i still use watermill ro/di water for my dwc plants which are fed with only advanced nutrients products and have had no problems there. i'm still saving up for my own ro unit.
does canna have a tech line i could call for an explanation?
do any of you other canna coco growers use watermill ro/di or other deionized water?
jberry
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Water sources are important when choosing your nutes.
Sounds like if you kept using the tap water than it would have been fine??
In the future i wouldnt plant a small cutting in such a large pot, you get better root growth and plant health when you "pot up" at least once, but i doubt this had anything to do with your problem.
Yes, there is tech support on their website, but u have to register. Give them a lot of details, and be prepared for a scientific answer.
Are you using monkey juice now? ( a.n. Coco nutrients )
Sounds like if you kept using the tap water than it would have been fine??
In the future i wouldnt plant a small cutting in such a large pot, you get better root growth and plant health when you "pot up" at least once, but i doubt this had anything to do with your problem.
Yes, there is tech support on their website, but u have to register. Give them a lot of details, and be prepared for a scientific answer.
Are you using monkey juice now? ( a.n. Coco nutrients )
jberry
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also, boost is not a fert. And bud xl is.
hotboxhatchback
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they'll be fine on tapwater for this run. once i get an ro i'd like to dial in canna w/ ro water & added cal/mag to avoid everything else from the tap.
i saw the membership stuff on the canna site - i'll have to register and give them an opportunity to explain this one.
i'm not using monkey juice, an discontinued it otherwise i'd have tried it with cocogro bales instead of canna's more pricey stuff. there's still bottles of mj on the shelves but its all old stock. i'm using canna coco a+b, rhizotonic, cannazyme. i've also been feeding the outdoor og kush an b-52 & carboload since she'll be providing a handfull of cuttings in a week or two.
i decided not to pot up all of them because the smaller pots (i was using 4" square pots) never seem to dry out, seems like i can feed more often using 3g pots from the start. maybe i should get something in between.
Don Gin and Ton
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a lot of peeps rave about it being the best thing since sliced bread, there are a couple of threads on riu bout it but to be honest i went with canna as its near treble the price!?
jberry
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im not surprised people are foaming at the mouth for it... After all, it IS by advanced nutrients and they make fertilizer for marijuana.... I just dont know why after three long years of coco nutrient research they would just stop making it?
Their probably coming out with like a 12 part platinum monkey formula or something dope like that.
Their probably coming out with like a 12 part platinum monkey formula or something dope like that.
Don Gin and Ton
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damn i gotta get in on some platinum 12 part monkey formula! quick. hahaha
out of all the many companies that put out plant food AN are the kings of marketing. every bottle reads like your plants are just substandard versions of what they could be.
odd they just stop makin it tho but then again they've never been known for organics its kinda like porsche releasing a minibus
out of all the many companies that put out plant food AN are the kings of marketing. every bottle reads like your plants are just substandard versions of what they could be.
odd they just stop makin it tho but then again they've never been known for organics its kinda like porsche releasing a minibus
jberry
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yea i do believe AN has some good products and some not so great ones as well...
i think in hydro they are pretty good according to some guys on riu... I will take a pass myself. I just plain and simply dont like their company for several reasons.
i like canna, house and garden, cutting edge, and some technaflora products.
thats just me tho, everyone is into to different shit.... i hate basketball, but some people love that shit.
i think in hydro they are pretty good according to some guys on riu... I will take a pass myself. I just plain and simply dont like their company for several reasons.
i like canna, house and garden, cutting edge, and some technaflora products.
thats just me tho, everyone is into to different shit.... i hate basketball, but some people love that shit.
ZEN MASTER
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hey hotboxhow you doing? look here those 3g pots will be excellent to star your plants. as soon as mine get some good roots, whether i start them in coco or rockwool, i put them either in a 1gal pot, but i've pretty much gone with the 3gal pot. its amazing how much stronger and thicker the branches,and the plant looks when you start the root ball at the top of a large pot, instead of the top or the middle of a smaller pot. so yea you have the right idea. check out my grow(lotta photos) and tell me what you think. now i dont use all the additives, but its still a good grow. hell if you got any tips or pointers feel free to give 'em.
PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
hey don, how you doing? look dude we gotta convert you. coco is the bomb man, seriously. check out my journal. it is a grow dedicated to the guys that won't or can't afford the other hydro sytems that are not only pricey to buy, but also to maintain with expensive multiple nutes, system problems and maintenence, and most of all,....time. dude you get almost all the benefits of hydro with less than a quarter of the work, at least the way i do it, and , and, and for a whole run, that's eight weeks maybe nine, for the 50L bag of coco, the A-B two part mix, and a bloom booster i am only out of $75 to$85. and on th next few runs it's less than that because the bottle of bloom booster(gen. hydro. floralicious bloom)last about four or five runs. but hey check it out and you be the judge.
PEACE!!!
-ZEN-