There Is No Devil.

jenni8675309

Well-Known Member
If you dont want to discuss the validity of the bible, with books from the bible, I understand.
From here on out, I will only use secular historical documents.

The first-century Roman Tacitus, who is considered one of the more accurate historians of the ancient world, mentioned superstitious “Christians” (from Christus, which is Latin for Christ), who suffered under Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius. Suetonius, chief secretary to Emperor Hadrian, wrote that there was a man named Chrestus (or Christ) who lived during the first century (Annals 15.44).

Flavius Josephus is the most famous Jewish historian. In his Antiquities he refers to James, “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” “At this time there was a wise man named Jesus. His conduct was good and [he] was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who became his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive; accordingly he was perhaps the Messiah, concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.”

Julius Africanus quotes the historian Thallus in a discussion of the darkness which followed the crucifixion of Christ (Extant Writings, 18).

The Babylonian Talmud (Sanhedrin 43a) confirms Jesus' crucifixion on the eve of Passover and the accusations against Christ of practicing sorcery and encouraging Jewish apostasy.

Lucian of Samosata was a second-century Greek writer who admits that Jesus was worshiped by Christians, introduced new teachings, and was crucified for them. He said that Jesus' teachings included the brotherhood of believers, the importance of conversion, and the importance of denying other gods. Christians lived according to Jesus’ laws, believed themselves to be immortal, and were characterized by contempt for death, voluntary self-devotion, and renunciation of material goods.



I have more, plenty more. But Im sure youre not planning on reading them.
 

jenni8675309

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The bible is simply a book of stories...nothing more. Think about it...back in the day when the average life span was around 30-35 you got people living thousands of years. More like fairy tales...
haha, I thought you unsubscribed.
welcome back, its good to have you here.

:peace:

I believe the subject at the moment is confirming the existance of Jesus.
You dont have to believe he is Christ, or the son of God. But yes, a man named Jesus did infact walk the earth.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Those are complete and utter BS sources....

No one outside the Bible ever mentions jesus by name, and most especially NO ONE ever spoke of miracles or surviving a three day crucifixion.

What drivel of a religious novella did you pull that from? :roll:
 

jenni8675309

Well-Known Member
Those are complete and utter BS sources....

No one outside the Bible ever mentions jesus by name, and most especially NO ONE ever spoke of miracles or surviving a three day crucifixion.

What drivel of a religious novella did you pull that from? :roll:
Complete and udder bs sources?
Thats all I ever hear from you.... Bs this, bs that. Thats all you have


After I give you real people, not in the bible, who mention Jesus, you still say they dont exist either....

According to you, not only does Jesus not exist, but neither do any of the people I mentioned earlier...

Talking to you is like :wall:

Its cool though, nothin but love here :peace:

Here are some links for you, enjoy

Roman Tacitus http://www.roman-emperors.org/tacitus.htm
Flavius Josephus http://www.answers.com/topic/josephus
Lucian has about 150 manuscripts http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/lucian/lucian_intro.htm


btw, have you heard about the jewish mishna? its not in the bible either :mrgreen:
 

anhedonia

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Its funny that all of those references sound like what somone would say who went to bible college. Dont you think theres a reason why we learn about genghis khan and socrates in our public education and not this idiot jesus? The man did more harm to the world than we'll ever know.
 

jenni8675309

Well-Known Member
Its funny that all of those references sound like what somone would say who went to bible college. Dont you think theres a reason why we learn about genghis khan and socrates in our public education and not this idiot jesus? The man did more harm to the world than we'll ever know.
sorry, never went to bible college.
nor is it my intent to attack anyones personals belief. I think we should try to love everyone, reguardless of race, religion, or pollitics. :blsmoke:
one love as bob marley said. :peace:
it is however my intention to prove that Jesus did infact exist. which crackerjax still denies :confused:
Hate Jesus or love Him, the choice is yours and I love you reguardless
 

shroomer33

Active Member
The bible is simply a book of stories...nothing more. Think about it...back in the day when the average life span was around 30-35 you got people living thousands of years. More like fairy tales...
The Bible has characteristics of supernatural engineering.
It writes the future from the past. Therefore, its origin is outside of time and physics as we know it.

It is not just a book of stories. Mother goose is a book of stories. Mother goose does not predict the future, nor does Mother Goose have multidimensional codes and structures contained within it, like the Bible does. Also, no other 'holy' books contain such structure.

What is contained in the Bible is beyond coincidence and human engineering.

Don't worry, you'll understand sooner or later. It is all up to you.

And you can't say you weren't warned.

As a sidenote, it doesn't matter what we sit around and tell each other what we think. For in the end, there is no denying the Truth!
 

fish601

Active Member
Yes, it's retarded.

After 4 years of religion classes, you'd think i'd be a jesus freak...but it just made me realize how crazy people really are...to believe the craziness that's in the bible...

Every church i've been too, since i was a youngin...soooo fake. I remember going to a church thing when i was around 7-8...Pastor putting his hand on people's foreheads and them falling like they were punched straight in the face....fucking ridiculous.

Yelling out there "tongues" which is just fucking jibberish....god damn people are annoying.

Who or what were you looking for in the bible?

you know not every church is like that.. alot of that bull is just for show.. like about 99% of those tv preachers are there just for money.. look for a real church not a money making church
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Tacitus: Not one word of what you said was in that link.


Flavius Josephus: This is directly from your link. I hope you realize what they mean by this statement...:roll:

Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews (ca. 93), in 20 volumes, outlines the history of the Jews from creation to the revolt. Its laudation of John the Baptist, Jesus, and James is deemed to be a 3d-century interpolation by a Christian.


Lucian: Again,this is directly from your link.....:lol: get a grip and do some research.

Rightly to understand and appreciate Lucian, one must recognise that he was not a philosopher nor even a moralist, but a rhetorician, that his mission in life was not to reform society nor to chastise it, but simply to amuse it.
 

shroomer33

Active Member
you know not every church is like that.. alot of that bull is just for show.. like about 99% of those tv preachers are there just for money.. look for a real church not a money making church
Exactly!
Also, the Bible even says that the love of money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6:10).
SO...
If Christianity is 'all about money', which I always hear uninformed, simple people spout, why does the Bible preach against the love of money?
Please people, think deeper:dunce:
 

fish601

Active Member
Exactly!
Also, the Bible even says that the love of money is the root of all evil.
SO...
If Christianity is 'all about money', which I always hear uninformed, simple people spout, why does the Bible preach against the love of money?
Please people, think deeper:dunce:
Christianity is not all about money.. i think you missed my point.
I was responding to the guy that said "Pastor putting his hand on people's foreheads and them falling like they were punched straight in the face....fucking ridiculous" thats all for show they do it for money there is a scripture in the bible that says
Matthew 7:21-2321 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
You see these people are not real christians they just used the name of Jesus
 

fish601

Active Member
The bible is simply a book of stories...nothing more. Think about it...back in the day when the average life span was around 30-35 you got people living thousands of years. More like fairy tales...

not real sure what your talking about but let me try..
before the flood of noah people lived for a very long time.. after the flood the life span of people got shorter and shorter, my guess is it had something to do with the flood.. not really a good answer its just what i gatherd from reading the bible
 

CrackerJax

New Member
The church has always been about money. Who do you think financed all those trips of colonial pillaging? They say that they aren't NOW because the money system is ripe and already set up. Start siphoning away the church's wealth (paying taxes would be a nice start) and watch them squeal.....:roll:
 

jenni8675309

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Tacitus: Not one word of what you said was in that link.


Flavius Josephus: This is directly from your link. I hope you realize what they mean by this statement...:roll:

Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews (ca. 93), in 20 volumes, outlines the history of the Jews from creation to the revolt. Its laudation of John the Baptist, Jesus, and James is deemed to be a 3d-century interpolation by a Christian.

Lucian: Again,this is directly from your link.....:lol: get a grip and do some research.

Rightly to understand and appreciate Lucian, one must recognise that he was not a philosopher nor even a moralist, but a rhetorician, that his mission in life was not to reform society nor to chastise it, but simply to amuse it.

my point was simple, but I think you missed it.

you incorrectly claim that there is no evidence of Jesus outside the bible. even though there are many people who have written about Him

Personally, I dont care if Lucian was a rhetorician, it doesnt negate the fact he wrote about about Jesus.
as far as Joseph being a christian, why would that contradict anything?
and Tacitus, yes, he is real, yes he wrote about the crucification of Jesus.

also, I didnt see you say anything about the Jewish Mishna? Or do you think it doesnt exist either?

:peace:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
my point was simple, but I think you missed it.

you incorrectly claim that there is no evidence of Jesus outside the bible. even though there are many people who have written about Him

Personally, I dont care if Lucian was a rhetorician, it doesnt negate the fact he wrote about about Jesus.
as far as Joseph being a christian, why would that contradict anything?
and Tacitus, yes, he is real, yes he wrote about the crucification of Jesus.

also, I didnt see you say anything about the Jewish Mishna? Or do you think it doesnt exist either?

:peace:
No, you missed the entire point. Your references are not historical, but allegorical. Even if I was to accept that ANY of those far flung references are about THE Jesus Christ, where's the meat? There's no story...just a recognition of a life lived. No miracles, no big follower throngs, nothing.

Then throw into the mix the scrolls of Essene which were in fact written by true scribes (historians). They were doing the recording in a monastery 20 miles from Jerusalem, and yet, not a word of Jesus. Like he never existed. These scrolls are dated from 50BC to 50 AD, and yet...nothing.

That's the trouble with myths....unprovable.
 

jenni8675309

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No, you missed the entire point. Your references are not historical, but allegorical. Even if I was to accept that ANY of those far flung references are about THE Jesus Christ, where's the meat? There's no story...just a recognition of a life lived. No miracles, no big follower throngs, nothing.

Then throw into the mix the scrolls of Essene which were in fact written by true scribes (historians). They were doing the recording in a monastery 20 miles from Jerusalem, and yet, not a word of Jesus. Like he never existed. These scrolls are dated from 50BC to 50 AD, and yet...nothing.

That's the trouble with myths....unprovable.
Wait, so because a few guys didnt mention Jesus in some scroll that is your proof He never existed?
With that logic, I dont exist either, as my neighbor never wrote a book about me. Even though other people have seen me, written about me, and documented my birth.
And dont forget who and when these Essene guys were around. If you read your own post, you will find that they were writting before Jesus was born. How can they write about about Jesus when He wasnt even born yet?
Also, arent they the ones responsible for the dead sea scrolls? Which actually proves my point more than yours.
 

pillarize

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Thing is the devil is the heart of man in unbelief towards God...even if they believe in the bible.

You see the bible is in the hands of God and under the authority of his Christ...whos Christ...the truth or Spirit of GOd.
 
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