Building single-plant growbox, I want your opinions!

[Old Coot]

Hey man......Im going to watch and learn. I suspect this cooler is in your closet and we have not heard house or room temps just whats happening inside. Further, you could be in the high desert plain and me in the Mississippi valley.... Either way even a short Afghan will be cramped in that box with lights and fans and vents.....might as well be in near direct sunlight.
Not here to cramp your style either...its your grow. No disrespect intended in any of this either.

 

[thatdjsnow]

Hey man......Im going to watch and learn. I suspect this cooler is in your closet and we have not heard house or room temps just whats happening inside. Further, you could be in the high desert plain and me in the Mississippi valley.... Either way even a short Afghan will be cramped in that box with lights and fans and vents.....might as well be in near direct sunlight.
Not here to cramp your style either...its your grow. No disrespect intended in any of this either.

When the plant gets too tall - he's going to attach another cooler on top of the current one to double his box's height... or at least i'm pretty sure that's what he said.

If not, there's an idea! haha

 

[Fractus]

Yeah that's my plan. I posted it several times earlier that this box is going to get twice as big as soon as I feel my plant is big enough to need the space to expand more, but for now it's closest point to any wall or light is no less than 3 inches. Yeah the box is in my closet usually, but often in the day I don't want it to actually heat up my closet so I leave the sliding closet door open just enough to allow fresh air to get in and the old air to get out.

Yeah sorry I did fail to mention where I am and what sort of ambient temps I get in the apartment. This time of year in eastern canada I'm getting low 80's at the warmest point in the day and high 60's/low 70's at night. Every day is a little different of course. And my plant is getting nearly the same temperature. Humidity has been at 55% ever since I bought my thermo/humidity meter and put it in there.

I'm sure within the next week I will be remodelling and setting up the double-stacked box and with any luck that will be the last modification I need to make to it for a while.

 

[littlegrower2004]

fractus you are rediculous. gypsy bush gave you the most info that you have probably ever recieved about growing. you have taken in multiple pieces of advice from him and yet you still try and contradict or disprove him. on the strain, you are a idoit for thinking you can pick its genetics from 2 weeks in. if you seen any other cfl grows in which the lights are put extremely close you will see a resemblence. it has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A LOWRYDER!! also what do you mean over germinated it??? ive had seeds in water bottles germinating for weeks and creating tap roots 6" long, so im nt sure wat over germinating means in your case..haha ok one last thing, the smell of your sprout is NOTHING!!! it probably smells less then a unblossomed rose..if you want a real plant listen to the GYPSY!

 

[purpdaddy]

And about the blue LEDs, they are so small and insignificant I doubt my plant will even register their flickering blue glow as 'usable light', what do you think?

Hell fucc yea man i know a gut that was running Co in his op and just the lil LED light on the tank turned a portion of the plant hermie. and by the looks of it yours got a realgood view of those leds on the fans,..just had to touch on that..Listen to the gypsy..he knows what he says..

 

[Katatawnic]

Just my $.02 here, but why would anyone put "I wont your opinions!" in a thread title, then turn around and argue the opinions (and great advice!) given? I'm not saying that all opinions are correct, but common sense would indicate what is and isn't "sound" advice. I'd pay attention, myself.

 

[Fractus]

HOLY HELL everyone! I'm not here to disrespect anyone on these forums, I'm here to learn.

I've listened to Gypsy all along! Notice every one of my improvements/mods to my box was Gypsy-inspired? I really do appreciate what I learned, but Gypsy is so rude about giving advice that I would rather hear different wording come from someone else with the same advice and experience. I was alright with it for a while but it's annoying being talked down to like I was born yesterday when the majority of the things I was told within the last several posts are things I already knew, and the things I didn't know were explained in the least respectful way possible. And if you just state something of course I'm going to question the background of the info before I decide to rearrange my setup to accomodate for it - You are mistaking my requests for verification for arguing. And considering when I was first introduced to Gypsy I was being criticized for using styrofoam because "it has a low flashpoint" I have every right to want to know the source of the advice!! We just started off on the wrong foot I think. Gypsy if you read this, no hard feelings! I just wish you were here here to help me without doing your absolute best to make me feel inferior and...retarded. I mean I can't be completely stupid because what I am doing is giving me sick results ever since I dropped it into this box.

Littlegrower2004 - I apologize for the confusion with the term "over-germinated", I only meant that the thing was 6 inches long from root to seed, and I didn't mean there was anything wrong with that either, it was just much more time than necessary, made it difficult to plant and I ended up handling the roots because it was really hard not to lol. And as far as strain goes, I was just wondering if anyone would have recognized it, I looked at a million pictures of 2 week old plants and they all look different but the ones that looked the most similar to mine were the lowriders. Please forgive me for my SIMPLE mistake, I was just curious. And how am I supposed to know there isn't some pro grower out there that has been using different strains for 50 years who will come across my post and say 'Yeah I've seen one just like that before'? Even then of course I couldn't be sure what it is but at least I would have some form of reference to it's growth tendencies, Unless even similar looking (young) strains have completely different adulthoods - that would be useful to know. It was just an optimistic question with a random guess. I didn't know people were going to make fun of me for it or I wouldn't have said it...
Also, if I didn't have that carbon filter on there right now my closet would smell like dope, because when I open the box that is ALL you can smell. My little plant smells and I don't understand why you guys think you can tell me I'm wrong. Of course you can't smell it, you're thousands of miles away! And for anyone who may be wondering how effective this febreze filter really is, so far no scent comes through at all. (Don't get the misconception that because it says Febreze it puts off a funny smell to mask the weed, it actually is an unscented activated carbon sheet and I used two of them to make my own carbon filter and it's working awesome

Purpdaddy - I got rid of those LEDs a long time ago because Gypsy said so. Now her nights are spent in perfect dark and 70-73 fahrenheit @ 55% humidity.

Katatawnic - Point taken, but I welcomed friendly opinions I didn't want somebody to come tell me how stupid I am.. Anyway I already went over this. Maybe I'm just to sensitive, but I would just much rather have the educational advice without some of the comments that accompanied it. I didn't think anything I said so far was really unreasonable.

 

[bigjesse1922]

Maybe you will get it if it gets pounded into your head...

If its low 80's in your apartment, imagine how hot it gets in that box when its all shut up! I don't care what anyone has told you, 85 f is TOO HOT to properly grow weed indoors. You will end up will a crap yield of spindly nugs.

I know you are lazy when it comes to reading, but if you don't believe me then READ on how marijuana uptakes co2 at temperatures over 78f. Yes, 75-85 degrees, but often indoor growers use co2, which allows you to run your room hotter because of the amount of co2 available to the plants. Do you have co2 that you didn't mention???

If not ANYTHING OVER 78F IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. I don't care what you heard elsewhere, you are hearing real talk right here. So take my word for it.

Instead of having an argument for everything that you don't agree with, consider the fact that true intelligence measures and deals with what one does NOT know, and the ability to accept and allow for this facilitates real learning. So realize you are a total noob and listen, or don't post asking for help!

My first grow was about .15 grams/watt. After listening to Gypsy a bit I managed .52 grams/watt on my last grow. I have harvested thousands of dollars of legal medicane for a 20th of the price, I have just started. IN OCTOBER 2008. AND I DON'T ARGUE WITH GYPSY LIKE YOU DO.

You had a great resource, maybe if you show proper contrition, he will return.

Don't piss off a Gypsy....

And I am not tryin to flame you. If you take this advice, however brash, you will be happy in time.

 

[Fractus]

Thanks Jesse. No I don't have any CO2, and my apartment hits 80 degrees on a hot summer day, do you have any suggestions as to how I can control my temperatures be be below 78 if the temperature outside is 80 or higher? An expensive air conditioner isn't really in my budget..

For argument's sake though, on an anonymous internet community, how do I know who I can trust for reliable info learned from experience? I didn't realize Gypsy was a celebrity around here. That would explain the attitude towards me as a noob. I don't need any help figuring out what kind of a newb I am, and I'm not lazy when it comes to reading, but with all due respect, I have only been here for a few days, I can't possibly have read everything of use to me in that short amount of time. I can assure you this though, I have read for hours every night and learned a ton, and it wasn't until I got reading that I began to battle the points that were given to me as advice. Once I had knowledge from the resources on this very site, I have people like you for example telling me otherwise - the people who tell me to read are also the ones always telling me what I read is incorrect. So it's really a viscious circle..

And inside the box at mid-day it hits 85-86 degrees regularly and drops no less than 10 degrees at night when the lights are off.

 

[bigjesse1922]

I get where you are coming from. There can be a lot of conflicting info.

The main point I would make is this: go back and look at your posts. Sometimes, literally within MINUTES of Gypsy or someone else posting something, you came back with a rebuttle.

Would you do that in a different sort of apprenticeship?

Maybe you didn't look at it that way, but that's really what it is here. Gypsy and others lile him have stood on the shoulders of giants, but ALSO learned the hard way on their own. For them to just impart thay knowledge upon you is a gift that perhaps you were not humble enough to receive. A GREAT gift indeed. A gift that can bring a mass saving of time, energy, money, and frustration.

He was trying to GIVE that to you. Maybe he can be cranky. To me its worth it. You made your own choice.

For those of us who he HAS helped and have LISTENED, we are grateful and quick to defend our GB.

My advice would be to act a little more like a freshmen in college, in terms of deference to the upper classmen. Especially when one of them is willing to take you around and get you laid....so to speak

 

[bigjesse1922]

Oh and in terms of cooling....

Its either get rid of the hot air or cool it. I run an a/c. Gypsy lives someplace cool, so he just properly vents the air out of his grow space....

But he has cool source air to use as intake into his room, I don't and neither do you it seems. That's why I use a/c.

You can order one big enough for your needs I am sure for under $200 from Walmart, guarenteed.

I am not a cooling expert. That's Gypsy's forte.

 

[purpdaddy]

HOLY HELL everyone! I'm not here to disrespect anyone on these forums, I'm here to learn.

I've listened to Gypsy all along! Notice every one of my improvements/mods to my box was Gypsy-inspired? I really do appreciate what I learned, but Gypsy is so rude about giving advice that I would rather hear different wording come from someone else with the same advice and experience. I was alright with it for a while but it's annoying being talked down to like I was born yesterday when the majority of the things I was told within the last several posts are things I already knew, and the things I didn't know were explained in the least respectful way possible. And if you just state something of course I'm going to question the background of the info before I decide to rearrange my setup to accomodate for it - You are mistaking my requests for verification for arguing. And considering when I was first introduced to Gypsy I was being criticized for using styrofoam because "it has a low flashpoint" I have every right to want to know the source of the advice!! We just started off on the wrong foot I think. Gypsy if you read this, no hard feelings! I just wish you were here here to help me without doing your absolute best to make me feel inferior and...retarded. I mean I can't be completely stupid because what I am doing is giving me sick results ever since I dropped it into this box.

Littlegrower2004 - I apologize for the confusion with the term "over-germinated", I only meant that the thing was 6 inches long from root to seed, and I didn't mean there was anything wrong with that either, it was just much more time than necessary, made it difficult to plant and I ended up handling the roots because it was really hard not to lol. And as far as strain goes, I was just wondering if anyone would have recognized it, I looked at a million pictures of 2 week old plants and they all look different but the ones that looked the most similar to mine were the lowriders. Please forgive me for my SIMPLE mistake, I was just curious. And how am I supposed to know there isn't some pro grower out there that has been using different strains for 50 years who will come across my post and say 'Yeah I've seen one just like that before'? Even then of course I couldn't be sure what it is but at least I would have some form of reference to it's growth tendencies, Unless even similar looking (young) strains have completely different adulthoods - that would be useful to know. It was just an optimistic question with a random guess. I didn't know people were going to make fun of me for it or I wouldn't have said it...
Also, if I didn't have that carbon filter on there right now my closet would smell like dope, because when I open the box that is ALL you can smell. My little plant smells and I don't understand why you guys think you can tell me I'm wrong. Of course you can't smell it, you're thousands of miles away! And for anyone who may be wondering how effective this febreze filter really is, so far no scent comes through at all. (Don't get the misconception that because it says Febreze it puts off a funny smell to mask the weed, it actually is an unscented activated carbon sheet and I used two of them to make my own carbon filter and it's working awesome

Purpdaddy - I got rid of those LEDs a long time ago because Gypsy said so. Now her nights are spent in perfect dark and 70-73 fahrenheit @ 55% humidity.

Katatawnic - Point taken, but I welcomed friendly opinions I didn't want somebody to come tell me how stupid I am.. Anyway I already went over this. Maybe I'm just to sensitive, but I would just much rather have the educational advice without some of the comments that accompanied it. I didn't think anything I said so far was really unreasonable.

not here to bash you man by far..dont take it the wrong way.
I see you made the lil improvements that gypsy inspired and thats good cause he knows what hes talkin bout..
Good! Got rid of leds cause they were gonna cause a prob!You i see you taking heed.But man just toughen up a lil bit the gypsy is not here to bash or give bad advice..well as you can see..but man feel free to ask i just grow hydro but i know a lil sumthin.

 

[Fractus]

I would defend him too if there ever comes a time when someone doesn't believe something he has said when I know the he knows from experience. I know Gypsy knows his shit when it comes to growing but my defensive attitude it what makes me sure I don't make mistakes. If I don't jump to conclusions and debate things initially, then in the long run I'm more educated on every topic by the end of it. But like I said, despite my arguments, just look at my growbox and then tell me I never listened. The original design was all me, and I have changed it many times to favor the advice Gypsy gave me.

I've always been independent though, and I enjoy showing the world there is no one right way to do things but instead there are many answers to the same questions. When I was a freshman I had no trouble with the ladies, I didn't seek help from the ones that have done it before, I made my own mistakes and learned from them and in the end had better results than they did, which makes me glad that I didn't ask them, and do as they did or I would have never discovered my own methods. And the teachers that were teaching me things I didn't know - I would show them another method to get the same results that they had never heard of before. Ingenuity is part of my personality, arguing makes people smarter. Crankiness, however, will get you nowhere in life.. I've always been a firm believer that you treat others the way you want to be treated, and when I answered Gypsy with the same attitude he unsubscribed. I won't go begging for him to come back, but if he does perhaps I will keep that in mind and hold my tongue in the future.

I plan on doing some shopping and use my imagination to come up with a cheap and efficient and clever way of cooling my plants. But also, in a couple months the weather cools down here significantly, so I'd hate to be investing too much into a/c since I'll hardly get any use out of it. Maybe I'll let this plant just tough it out and see what happens - seeing as how this is still experimental. And my next plant will be done properly from day one, and also be in a cooler climate. It really depends how cheap I can get/build some form of cooling device. Thanks again for the feedback guys - I'm starting to realize maybe I don't say that nearly enough.

 

[purpdaddy]

I would defend him too if there ever comes a time when someone doesn't believe something he has said when I know the he knows from experience. I know Gypsy knows his shit when it comes to growing but my defensive attitude it what makes me sure I don't make mistakes. If I don't jump to conclusions and debate things initially, then in the long run I'm more educated on every topic by the end of it. But like I said, despite my arguments, just look at my growbox and then tell me I never listened. The original design was all me, and I have changed it many times to favor the advice Gypsy gave me.

I've always been independent though, and I enjoy showing the world there is no one right way to do things but instead there are many answers to the same questions. When I was a freshman I had no trouble with the ladies, I didn't seek help from the ones that have done it before, I made my own mistakes and learned from them and in the end had better results than they did, which makes me glad that I didn't ask them, and do as they did or I would have never discovered my own methods. And the teachers that were teaching me things I didn't know - I would show them another method to get the same results that they had never heard of before. Ingenuity is part of my personality, arguing makes people smarter. Crankiness, however, will get you nowhere in life.. I've always been a firm believer that you treat others the way you want to be treated, and when I answered Gypsy with the same attitude he unsubscribed. I won't go begging for him to come back, but if he does perhaps I will keep that in mind and hold my tongue in the future.

I plan on doing some shopping and use my imagination to come up with a cheap and efficient and clever way of cooling my plants. But also, in a couple months the weather cools down here significantly, so I'd hate to be investing too much into a/c since I'll hardly get any use out of it. Maybe I'll let this plant just tough it out and see what happens - seeing as how this is still experimental. And my next plant will be done properly from day one, and also be in a cooler climate. It really depends how cheap I can get/build some form of cooling device. Thanks again for the feedback guys - I'm starting to realize maybe I don't say that nearly enough.

i absoluteley agree with you on that one bro...there is not only one wqy to grow but just make that grow more efficient!
I se you doin good so far man..its lookin alot better.

 

[bigjesse1922]

It seems to me you have a little more ego is growing than I do....

And Gypsy, for that matter. My advice, if you want to be ingenius go ahead. Just don't post a thread asking for feedback and criticism and then be surprised when you get it.

As far as crankiness goes, it is quite different than being rude. And Gypsy didn't unsubscribe because you were cranky back. Its because you don't get it, and he decided you weren't going to get it, at least not in a timely enough manner for his level of interest.

You brought up the possibility of you being over sensitive. I would go with that line of thinking.

I like your can do attitude though and your plant will survive and even produce a harvest for you in high temp conditions. Gypsy was trying to show you how to walk CORRECTLY, as opposed to your seeming desire to just WALK.

Its ALL about environment. The soil ph, your temps and humidity, ventilation, proper nutrients, etc. Your attitude toward one carries over to everything. I am glad you had no issues with the ladies. Me neither, I am just big on analogies. But you will find a female pot plant can be as finicky as its human counter part so its best to just learn the right way, realizing that your way won't be it, because you don't have a knowledge base to draw from.

Gypsy knows that not planning means planning to fail. You will learn it too, in time, after much frustration

Good luck, I will help if I can.

 

[Fractus]

I have a plan and I will not fail But my ego isn't what tells me this, it is this site. From seeing all of the results of other growers that produce nice plants in all different environments, and I built mine to mimic outdoor conditions, the only thing I didn't give it is space, because I don't have space to give it and I don't want to grow a monster. My grow setup is merely a variation/combination of many other ideas that I've taken from other successful grows on this site and so far my plant is following in their footsteps. I am open to suggestions as long as I feel they will be beneficial and practical for what I have going. And the point I was trying to make is that although two people may walk differently does it really make one of them wrong? My plant hasn't given me any sign that I'm doing anything wrong, no burn, not overwatered, not over-nuted,and if she's happy, then I'm happy. If you look at my pic it's evident that the stress is not due to heat, it was due to something that happened earlier in it's life because it's in the first leaves where there are issues, the rest of the plant seems to have adjusted to it's new environment. There are no curled up leaf edges or discolorations indicating heat damage. But for the record I'm much more compatible with your style of instruction, and I'm willing to listen and negotiate whatever suggestions or concerns you may have regarding the effectiveness of my design. I know that you are only taking your time answering me for my own good.

One question though - I'm just wondering which part of his advice I didn't take, or what part of what he told me did I not get? Perhaps you can explain it to me in a sense that I may better understand. And from looking at my plant and then looking at the setup, is there anything you see that will cause problems for me (aside from the possibility of future heat problems which I'm going to look into, and space because I will be doubling it sometime this week when my plant gets close to the lights). I've also considered that maybe exterior light can penetrate the styrofoam itself, seeing as how if light is getting out then it must be able to come back in. My temporary solution to this is that I keep my dark hours at night and keep my closet door closed, but when I switch to 12/12 there will still be daylight when the plant should be in complete darkness. Spraypainting could have saved me from this problem but I should have done that before planting in it. So now I'm trying to think of a good alternative.

 

[purpdaddy]

I have a plan and I will not fail But my ego isn't what tells me this, it is this site. From seeing all of the results of other growers that produce nice plants in all different environments, and I built mine to mimic outdoor conditions, the only thing I didn't give it is space, because I don't have space to give it and I don't want to grow a monster. My grow setup is merely a variation/combination of many other ideas that I've taken from other successful grows on this site and so far my plant is following in their footsteps. I am open to suggestions as long as I feel they will be beneficial and practical for what I have going. And the point I was trying to make is that although two people may walk differently does it really make one of them wrong? My plant hasn't given me any sign that I'm doing anything wrong, no burn, not overwatered, not over-nuted,and if she's happy, then I'm happy. If you look at my pic it's evident that the stress is not due to heat, it was due to something that happened earlier in it's life because it's in the first leaves where there are issues, the rest of the plant seems to have adjusted to it's new environment. There are no curled up leaf edges or discolorations indicating heat damage. But for the record I'm much more compatible with your style of instruction, and I'm willing to listen and negotiate whatever suggestions or concerns you may have regarding the effectiveness of my design. I know that you are only taking your time answering me for my own good.

One question though - I'm just wondering which part of his advice I didn't take, or what part of what he told me did I not get? Perhaps you can explain it to me in a sense that I may better understand. And from looking at my plant and then looking at the setup, is there anything you see that will cause problems for me (aside from the possibility of future heat problems which I'm going to look into, and space because I will be doubling it sometime this week when my plant gets close to the lights). I've also considered that maybe exterior light can penetrate the styrofoam itself, seeing as how if light is getting out then it must be able to come back in. My temporary solution to this is that I keep my dark hours at night and keep my closet door closed, but when I switch to 12/12 there will still be daylight when the plant should be in complete darkness. Spraypainting could have saved me from this problem but I should have done that before planting in it. So now I'm trying to think of a good alternative.

Man with that lil box you can just get sum panda film.and just drape it over the box..youll have to do that everyday but i promise you that you wont have any light leaks.

 

[Fractus]

That could work, definitely a better idea than spraypainting my little girl The only light leak would be around or through the carbon filter, it's pretty black though lol. I would just need to cut the panda film to fit over it nicely, maybe I could even find a way to keep the panda film on all the time because that probably makes it brighter on the inside too eh? I mean it makes sense I think haha, just because all the light showing through the styrofoam is then reflected and forced back into the styrofoam. I'll look into it dude

 

[littlegrower2004]

the majority of younger plants, started from bagseed, that i have seen grown under cfls, led, hps, and flourescents have been very similiar to one another in stature and node structure. once the seeds have reached there preflower stage is when they really start differing from one another. the only thing you can guess about your strain is indica, sativa, or a mix and that would be by examining leave widths. from there you can accomadate for the future growth of the plant. for the odor, the reason we/i believe that its unneccesary for the air filters(at this point) and so on is because i have grown multiple mj plants. sure they have a smell but its sooo minimal compared to what it really smells like in flower. i bet your next grow you will hardly notice the smell of your veg plants after a good season of danky stench has really trained your noise hairs.

 

[Fractus]

Haha you may be very right! However it is my closet in my room lol, so even a little bit of smell coming out over a long period of time may be enough to stink up my closet pretty quick including whatever is inside. I still use my closet as a closet too (of course I don't need to open it in the middle of the night during my lights-off phase). But when I start my 12/12, I wanna have the thing covered up so that no light seeps in when I open the closet and there is light in the room.
It may be slightly early for the filter but I'd rather be safe than sorry. I think maybe tomorrow I'm going to actually double up the coolers, my plant is growing so much everyday, I think it's time for me to give it some extra space. Once it starts expanding wildly but hasn't gotten too big, my plan is to flower - I've read that the plant will increase in size a lot during the flowering stage. From what I saw there is a lot of controversy over how much bigger it will get before it's ready to harvest. Does anyone have any input on how many times larger my plant will be from the time I switch to flower until the time I harvest? I want to time it right to make the most of my growing space.