5 weeks since 12/12 sativa weird genetics or normal?

[sweetsmoker]

i was wondering if someone could very kindly enlighten me as to the usual growing pattern of sativas, i usually grw indicas and am used to thc and decent buds forming within first couple of weeks of flower! i have b cheese and warlock pics below that as u can see are budding nicely, however this alaskan ice( ww x haze) has gone nuts with growth, ie vegged at 14" and now is monstrous with 13 side branches and 1 main cola wit a further 3 or 4 large branches on her. pics below of size before flower and size now! wat is perplexing me is that there is absolutely no thc on her yet and the bud sites are hardly growing at all? verry light fluffy hairs wit no greenery, leaves have taken on a sativa look ( sparse and finger like) and it has been a full 5 weeks since 12/12 is this normal for a sativa? flower time is supposed to be only 10 weeks on these. my m8 said wen he seen them that he had some silver haze that grew like mine and they never grew any decent buds at all. is this dodgy genetics or am i jumping the gun a bit . its just that the diff between my warlock and my alaskan is huge in terms of buds, as u can see in pics( ai is the lanky 1) surely after 5 weeks there shud be more happening than this? also the hairs look they are starting to brown on tips this cant be right as the buds are just crap lol.. has any one encountered this before? the plant takes up so much room in my space it wud be sacrilage to grow it out to no avail,, but at the same time i dont want to ditch her wen she cud produce fat buds .... wat do u think? i give up first 4 pics are the alaskan ice next 2 are b cheese next 2 are warlock all in same room and are same age

 

[sweetsmoker]

anyone grow sativas on here?

 

[itsgrowinglikeaweed]

Normal. I have 2 indicas almost done and one sativa thats just hitting its stride. All started 12/12 same time. You didn't mention what lights you use. It looks like your sativa needs more light thats all.

 

[Mystik]

I have a sativa that's about a month from harvest...
If it was bagseed you are using there is just no telling what you are dealing with.
Hermies seem a tad more common from bagseed as well.

They do grow lankier and I've found I need a pretty strong breeze on them from the fan or they get weak and fall over like the top of yours seems to have done.
If you used lst ignore the last statement.

 

[sweetsmoker]

I have a sativa that's about a month from harvest...
If it was bagseed you are using there is just no telling what you are dealing with.
Hermies seem a tad more common from bagseed as well.
They do grow lankier and I've found I need a pretty strong breeze on them from the fan or they get weak and fall over like the top of yours seems to have done.
If you used lst ignore the last statement.

lo yeah its lst had no choice grew so quick. its alaskan ice from greenhouse seeds brought bck frm the cannabis cup so shud be gd genetics. did yours show any thc in the first 5 weeks? they jus look like they too sparse, light wise i have them under a 400w hps with a 250w red cfl as supplementry. temps do gt hot up to 31.c at mo with hot weather we gt, but have a 6" input and 4" outake with oscillating fan in there as well. thnx 4 dropping in again mystic sometimes i think we are the only ones on here rep 2 u and glaweed wat strains are u growing apparently the alaskan is only 10 weeks flowering i reckon she gt a lotta wrk 2 do in nxt 5 weeks

 

[amsterdamned]

lo yeah its lst had no choice grew so quick. its alaskan ice from greenhouse seeds brought bck frm the cannabis cup so shud be gd genetics. did yours show any thc in the first 5 weeks? they jus look like they too sparse, light wise i have them under a 400w hps with a 250w red cfl as supplementry. temps do gt hot up to 31.c at mo with hot weather we gt, but have a 6" input and 4" outake with oscillating fan in there as well. thnx 4 dropping in again mystic sometimes i think we are the only ones on here rep 2 u and glaweed wat strains are u growing apparently the alaskan is only 10 weeks flowering i reckon she gt a lotta wrk 2 do in nxt 5 weeks

yeh your ice has had 3 things done to it that i wouldnt recommend when dealing with sativas


1) you veg'd for 2 long
2) as a result of 1) your daily growth during the 1st 2 weeks off flower (based on your lighting available) ensured that the plant stretched rapidly searching for more light.
3) you havent suuported the lady with sticks and garden wire / yo yos

what i do when im doing indicas and stativas in the same grow is start my indicas off around two eeks ahaead of teh staivas. the sativas go into big pots in week 3 of veg and i give them just six days to settle in - bear in mind that my clones are well rotted i small pots before goinginto the larger pots for main room growth and flower.

i give them 6 days max veg then striaght into flower. if you get the timing right the arms on your finishing height will be around 1.2-1.5 m and the stems will be better equiped to support the heavy and vigourous bud growth that you want.



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finally the buds on this look pooor for 3 weeks tbh. there are diff grow pattenrs but they look week so dont expect masses of growth on this... id support the arms and tie some to the main stem for support.

ill try and pull out some ice pics of mine that i had recently and also an armegedonn plant that i have in at the moment that i did excatley the same as you with -

dont worry man live and learn eh


hope that helps

 

[Defcon9]

lo yeah its lst had no choice grew so quick. its alaskan ice from greenhouse seeds brought bck frm the cannabis cup so shud be gd genetics. did yours show any thc in the first 5 weeks? they jus look like they too sparse, light wise i have them under a 400w hps with a 250w red cfl as supplementry. temps do gt hot up to 31.c at mo with hot weather we gt, but have a 6" input and 4" outake with oscillating fan in there as well. thnx 4 dropping in again mystic sometimes i think we are the only ones on here rep 2 u and glaweed wat strains are u growing apparently the alaskan is only 10 weeks flowering i reckon she gt a lotta wrk 2 do in nxt 5 weeks

My sativa plants always shoot up like crazy like that. The indica always stay short and bushy, the Sativas tall and lanky. I've had 2 - 3 foot indicas and 5 - 6 foot sativas. I've experienced that my sativas usually don't get all thc covered like my indicas in the same time, they always take a little lot longer.

When gorwing sativas in my closet I usually end ups using a ScrOG. Sativas can easily double in size, if not triple in size when flowering. You do look like they could use a bit more light though. what kind of lighting are you using? Greenhouse seeds are usually really good.Becarefull because a sativa will just keep on getting bigger sp hieght is often an issue. sativas are more outdoor weed because of their size. Usually people grow more insicas indoors due to space, or at least indica dominant plants. I prefer the high of a sativa personally.

 

[amsterdamned]

first pics is an top head of the ice your doing at 30 day (4.2 weeks) into flower


second one is the armegedonn at 30 days... as you can see i let this one veg up tolong

its a live and learn policy .. wait till my next armegedoons go in (they be crackers i promise )


oh and you also need to tidy up the plant at the bottom to encourage the energy to be concentrated on the bets parts of the plant.

again hope that helps

 

[sweetsmoker]

My sativa good.Becarefull because a sativa will just keep on getting bigger sp hieght is often an issue. sativas are more outdoor weed because of their size. Usually people grow more insicas indoors due to space, or at least indica dominant plants. I prefer the high of a sativa personally.

cheers bth 4 ya input it did freak me out how tall they grew in 5 weeks. and u are right about the weak looking arms i wa shoping they wud fatten out during flower, its bent as it is cos i tied it down to allow side branches to get closer to light. i will tie sides in to main if they start drooping, 2 be honest id like to have 2 do that but at the mo i really dont think thats gunna happen lol, i have 400w of hps and 250w red cfl so plenty of light in there, it wud be gd to see ya pics of ya alaskan so i can see how yours stretched.. if the buds do fill out on her it will be a fat yielder but i cant help being sceptical as its bin 5 weeks alraedy, jus checked gh seeds and its actually a 9 week flower strain? still its gd to know that others have encountrerd this before , reviews arnt gd on gh site either lots of tall low yielding plants thanks again i think i will leave em another 2 weeks if no trichs by then im gunna bin her , cheers all rep 4 ya anyone else have exp wit this strain or sativas please also put in ya 2 pennies

 

[sweetsmoker]

nice 1 amsterdamned man my buds look like babys compared to yours fluffy and skinny yours look like id expect them 2 nice 1 cheers for help i think mine are deffo overstretched

 

[Defcon9]

cheers bth 4 ya input it did freak me out how tall they grew in 5 weeks. and u are right about the weak looking arms i wa shoping they wud fatten out during flower, its bent as it is cos i tied it down to allow side branches to get closer to light. i will tie sides in to main if they start drooping, 2 be honest id like to have 2 do that but at the mo i really dont think thats gunna happen lol, i have 400w of hps and 250w red cfl so plenty of light in there, it wud be gd to see ya pics of ya alaskan so i can see how yours stretched.. if the buds do fill out on her it will be a fat yielder but i cant help being sceptical as its bin 5 weeks alraedy, jus checked gh seeds and its actually a 9 week flower strain? still its gd to know that others have encountrerd this before , reviews arnt gd on gh site either lots of tall low yielding plants thanks again i think i will leave em another 2 weeks if no trichs by then im gunna bin her , cheers all rep 4 ya anyone else have exp wit this strain or sativas please also put in ya 2 pennies

If you try and grow another sativa why not try a screen of green? For me it really worked. I just veg until about 40% - 50% full and then plower. Because you grow horizontally there is not light penetration problems and you can keep the lights as close as possible the whole time. I always ScrOG for my sativas and Sea of Green on my indicas.

Good luck, let us know how the smoke turns out.

Peace.

 

[sweetsmoker]

i will look into it cheers m8, my room would take a screen easily and it does seem a gd way to keep em down lol lanky bitches wats the dif between scrog and sea of green? i thought it was the same thing? or do u not use a screen /mesh with s o green

 

[Defcon9]

Sea of green (SOG) is basically you get lots of clones in a tight area and you flower them. I use just a grid of string when doing a sea of green. So instead of lets say having one or two big plants that are big 5 footers you have 30+ that are little one footers that yeild only a little bud each but add up to make a lot.

With a Screen of Green (ScrOG) you only use one or two plants lets say in the same area that your sea of green had 30 little plants. You use a screen with 2" grid spacing. As the plant grows up through the screen you pull it back down through to the next grid space. It grows your plant horizontally instead of vertically allowing creat penetration. Allow the screen to get about 40% to 50% full thel put into flower and then by the time it finishes the screen will be full.

Because indicas are generaly short I like to use the sea of green but instead of having a 5 foot sativa you can also use a sea of green and just get little 1/2 footers or one footers. I like to use the ScrOG with sativas becasue they grow so big they work great in a screen. Because Indicas don't grow to tall then they don't work to good in a screen hence the sea of green for indicas.

Hope this kinda answers your question. Sorry I smoked one and I'm not sure if that made a lot of sence or if I just rambled. Anyways, I think that should be about right.

 

[sweetsmoker]

that makes perfect sense my man lol only thing is that if busted 30 plants vs 2 or 3 plants,, is dif between cultivation and personal use i think it wud be best to go for scrog as where i am 30 plants is a bit of time at her majestys pleasure i will do sum more research on the scrog though i think it would work well in my room!! cheers for ya help m8 much appreciated. arnet there any indicas that wud be gd in scrog? maybe just veg for longer?

 

[Mystik]

early trichomes started showing directly on the calyx and then spread out from there for me.
I don't know how typical this is, but it makes sense.
The little baby trichs pretty much just look like white hairs to the naked eye, you have to get damn close even then..

 

[Defcon9]

that makes perfect sense my man lol only thing is that if busted 30 plants vs 2 or 3 plants,, is dif between cultivation and personal use i think it wud be best to go for scrog as where i am 30 plants is a bit of time at her majestys pleasure i will do sum more research on the scrog though i think it would work well in my room!! cheers for ya help m8 much appreciated. arnet there any indicas that wud be gd in scrog? maybe just veg for longer?

Where I am 5+ plants is now a minimum of 6 months. I can't remember if it was 20+ or 200+ that made you a comercial grower. I thikn it was 200 but I really should check.

In theory and indica can be put into a ScrOG and vegged longer. The problem is indicas are genetically predispositioned to grow shorter and therefore take a lot longer to get tall. This being said having the shorter indica plant you don't normally run into a height problem or a penetration problem like that of the sativa. I have left an indica for 3 months in a ScrOG and it does work (I've been told I shouldn't have done this by people but I like to screw around). It's not as good as using a sativa though. What took three months of vegging with my kush took only one month with my G13 sativa. You might be better to just grow your indicas out and then plant more. I hate having to waith that long, but I have the room to waste.

Good luck.

P.S. I'm glad I made sense, I was really, really fried after a long days work. I smoked just a little too much, lol...is that possible?

 

[sweetsmoker]

yeah m8 i think im gunna have to finish this lot off then start afresh with a diff strain. the blue cheese smells lush but isnt a big yielder. this a.ice is just a big fcking handful lol and warlock, well shes looking gd actually i did some g-13 haze not long back run into trouble at the end but she was a lovely smoke still. tink i will have all the same strain in there then hopefully they shud all stay pretty uniformed. and cheers for ya input after a long day at work lol i find its best to av a toke before coming on ya so u can dleve into the threads more as for smoking to much i think thats only poss if u gotta take a trip 2 either hospital or cop shop afterwards lol headspin my warlocks being a biatchh now i gave her a water feed before work fri and wen i came home nearly all her leaves were yellow ??? so i have given her a strong feed and hopefully she will perk up again, surely she cantbe mature yet at only 5 1/2 weeks havent even bothered looking at trichs wit microscope?? u think nutes was the prob

 

[sweetsmoker]

well i looked at her wit the scope today an the trichs are cloudy amber how mad is that only 6 weeks and amber trichs excellent news, will flush for 1 week then chop chop lol will let u know how it goes

 

[sweetsmoker]

also just checked my b cheese and they are 20% amber 60% cloudy isnt this strange after 6 weeks ? i gunna start the flush on her too i think! the only reason i can think of that cud have made this ahppen early is the introduction of a 2700k 250w cfl bout two weeks ago, is it poss that the strong red enduced the trichs to mature early?

 

[29menace]

Is the amber your seeing on the sugar leaves or the bud/calyxes? Don't go by the trics on the leaves it's not a good indicator because they will always amber up first. You gotta look at the bud itself. As for the sativa im not sure what's going on bro but mine at 5wks flowering was just as far as any indica I've grown , probably just strain but under a 400w hps I'd expect to see more bud formation at that age. Looks wise for the sativa you could have a 14wk pheno on your hands and I'm only saying that because it should be further on than that bro.