Why do so many ppl dog Arjan?

to serve man

Active Member
im not saying longer means better,im saying why would someone grow a potent long flowering sativa if he gets the same money for a short flowering hybrid.and im talking about a clear high energy,trippy soaring non paranoid sativa.whether your og are better then my hybrids is debatable,im saying why would i grow a sativa for a club that takes me almost twice as long if i can sell hybrids at the same price that i can grow 2-3 extra crops a year.keeping in mind that they are both potent for what they bring.
Because you have to go for what the clubs want. If you don't grow something that is killer than the clubs won't buy your shit. Also, because some medical users can't smoke indicas and need true sativas to combat their illnesses. Hybrids are great for recreational use, but you wouldn't believe the amount of people that love & need the true sativa. Thats the reason why.
 

pinkus

New Member
Because you have to go for what the clubs want. If you don't grow something that is killer than the clubs won't buy your shit. Also, because some medical users can't smoke indicas and need true sativas to combat their illnesses. Hybrids are great for recreational use, but you wouldn't believe the amount of people that love & need the true sativa. Thats the reason why.
The reason it works out is because the ratio of time/gram is about the same. Say you grow a sativa that flowers for 12 weeks, your yield is 500g a square meter. Someone else grows a kush that takes 7 weeks and yields 300 a square meter.

So 500/12 = 41.6666666 grams a week

and 300/7 = 42.85 grams a week

that's why it's doable to charge the same thing for either strain.
 

pinkus

New Member
good clubs stock all kinds of strains period but the big sellers are indicas and hybrids put simply.
I think it's hard for lots of people to go for a subtle Sativa high when it seems like you get better bang for the buck with the "thunK" a good indica or hybrid will lay on you.
 

trapper

Well-Known Member
Because you have to go for what the clubs want. If you don't grow something that is killer than the clubs won't buy your shit. Also, because some medical users can't smoke indicas and need true sativas to combat their illnesses. Hybrids are great for recreational use, but you wouldn't believe the amount of people that love & need the true sativa. Thats the reason why.
hey i am glad that they sell at the same price,and yes a lot of people cant smoke indicas it just makes them lazy or other effects,but in my experience i have gotten a lot more weed in a year from hybrids then from sativas,i just couldnt understand me getting the same price for a low yielding long flowering killer sativa,as i would a big plump indica hybrid like in my gallery that is also killer but i get twice as much in a year.but im not talking about a sativa that is bred with nl#5 or something to add on weight,i find it then becomes a leg heavy sativa,but if you can bye kali mist for the same price as a kush hybrid thats great for the patient.i know a lot of people tired with the stoned feeling of hybrids that want an up high,me im in 24 hours pain i breed for numbness.thats why i love my god/chemo/rino/jack frost cross,it is pure pain reliever not enough that i dont need opiates but still good at night time.
 

SpruceZeus

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Because you have to go for what the clubs want. If you don't grow something that is killer than the clubs won't buy your shit. Also, because some medical users can't smoke indicas and need true sativas to combat their illnesses. Hybrids are great for recreational use, but you wouldn't believe the amount of people that love & need the true sativa. Thats the reason why.
What the fuck are you talking about?

Lets talk about legitimate medical use for a second.

Stimulating apetite in AIDS and chemo patients, easing glaucoma tension and relieving the symptoms of Crohns, MS or serious spinal injury.
In all of these cases an Indica with it's higher CBD levels is the appropriate choice.

I prefer a sativa high myself, but I don't hide behind the charade of having a medical condition.
95% of californains with perscriptions have "back pain" or "anxiety". I understand, why not get a license to smoke dope? If i lived in cali, I too would call up some crooked doctor and tell him all about my ingrown toenail that could only be cured by smoking some haze.
but by doing this, they are taking away from the legitimacy of cannabis as a medicine.
We need to seperate medical and recreational cannabis. Let each stand on its own merits. It is too easy to look at cali and it's wild west dope shops on every corner and come to the conclusion that this is all about money and getting high, instead of medicine.
You're all gonna feel terrible when they put an end to your parade and the real seriously ill people who need cannabis have to resort to the black market again.

I love marijuana and think it should be legal, but selling the fuckin ookie kabookie under the guise of medicine in a society where every other medicine comes as a neat little pill isn't fooling anyone. Eventually this is gonna come back to kick you all in the ass.

Apologies to the legitimately ill medical users, you know who you are.
 

trapper

Well-Known Member
I think it's hard for lots of people to go for a subtle Sativa high when it seems like you get better bang for the buck with the "thunK" a good indica or hybrid will lay on you.
i never liked the thunk of a good indica,when i boxed after smokeing indica my head was swollen like a watermellon and i thought i was slipping the punches,a good sativa and the other guys head was like a watermellon and i was light.hybrids make me feel like i ate a horse and cant move.but i need it for pain so indica it is.but sativas float you man.
 

bicycle racer

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spruce zeus you speak very disrespectfully the med scene has been up and running for over ten years. yeah some people have med reccs for no medical reason but no more than idiots i know who pop pills all day who got there scrip from a doctor whats the difference. sativas do have medical use depression etc.. who are you to say what works and what does not and yes i know of cbd and its effects. it seems your just jealous or generally pist and would rather speak negatively about the medical scene instead of being happy cannabis laws are making a head way. its people like you and your misinformed comments that make things easier for the people against cannabis to abolish great laws like the ones being implemented in california. would you prefer people were on neat little pills from drug companies if everyone thought like you that will soon be a reality. why are you on a pro cannabis website with that attitude? the guy said something about sativas and you go off about how bad the med scene is in cali wtf. i find your comments to be offensive and way off base.
 

trapper

Well-Known Member
spruce zeus you speak very disrespectfully the med scene has been up and running for over ten years. yeah some people have med reccs for no medical reason but no more than idiots i know who pop pills all day who got there scrip from a doctor whats the difference. sativas do have medical use depression etc.. who are you to say what works and what does not and yes i know of cbd and its effects. it seems your just jealous or generally pist and would rather speak negatively about the medical scene instead of being happy cannabis laws are making a head way. its people like you and your misinformed comments that make things easier for the people against cannabis to abolish great laws like the ones being implemented in california. would you prefer people were on neat little pills from drug companies if everyone thought like you that will soon be a reality. why are you on a pro cannabis website with that attitude? the guy said something about sativas and you go off about how bad the med scene is in cali wtf. i find your comments to be offensive and way off base.
all though i dont agree with all of zues says i will add i never got comp because their was so many scammers that every one was first guilty.and i know people were i live that have the med licence with out the pain just the right doctor,and they are doing more harm then good.so i find these scammers offensive,but i know the argument pot should be legal,but it isnt.do you think lepp advanced the medical laws,do you think HT with pics of rappers and the herbs is a medical indorsement.their is a lot wrong right now before things get right.just like at workers comp.
 

trapper

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also racer if you think pot will end the need for small pills you are wrong,believe me pot cant do what opiates can,when pain is crippling i find pot does not do the trick.
 

danrasta

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Yea man you shouldnt be giving out about cali giving med cards to everyone just they dont have a medical condition the more people get it the more it should be accepted cannabis should be on the same level as alchol as a recreatinal drug with out all the drunkin stupidness!
 

bicycle racer

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i agree with what you said pot of course wont eliminate other drugs it would be naive to think so. but it should be treated the same as those patented drugs with regard to some conditions after all its a rather harmless substance if vaped or eaten and is effective. and yes there is an aspect of the cannabis community medical or other that is offensive and makes us all look bad. that said the medical laws do far more good than bad and if ever fully legal the bad element is eliminated. the med laws are progression towards legalization hopefully.
 

SpruceZeus

Well-Known Member
spruce zeus you speak very disrespectfully the med scene has been up and running for over ten years. yeah some people have med reccs for no medical reason but no more than idiots i know who pop pills all day who got there scrip from a doctor whats the difference. sativas do have medical use depression etc.. who are you to say what works and what does not and yes i know of cbd and its effects. it seems your just jealous or generally pist and would rather speak negatively about the medical scene instead of being happy cannabis laws are making a head way. its people like you and your misinformed comments that make things easier for the people against cannabis to abolish great laws like the ones being implemented in california. would you prefer people were on neat little pills from drug companies if everyone thought like you that will soon be a reality. why are you on a pro cannabis website with that attitude? the guy said something about sativas and you go off about how bad the med scene is in cali wtf. i find your comments to be offensive and way off base.
Firstly, I'd like to say that it's very hard to read your garbledeegook when you refuse to punctuate or make use of your enter key.
I for one, am offended by your pious judgement of my opinion. But I'm not crying about it.
Are you argueing that most "medical" users in california are actually using marijuana for a medical purpose?
I think you'd be hard pressed to prove that.
My point was that recreational marijuana should be legal on its own merits, and that by operating under that fallacy of medical need you're hurting both causes.
I couldn't be happier that California is progressive enough to understand that cannabis is medicine, and I only hope that it stays that way.
I am very pro-cannabis, please don't try to twist the things I'm saying. My attitude stems from my being outside of California and my ability to objectively look at what is going on there. It is my opinion that despite all the progress that is taking place there, there are too many people trying to make money and smoke dope legally and something has to give.
Agree or disagree, thats fine.
Regardless of any of this, my original diatribe was sparked by the notion that Sativas have a legitimate medical use. I'm not a doctor, so my opinion means as much as yours (nothing) but i'm of the belief that Indica based plants are more appropriate for use as medicine. Mind you, in Canada, where I am, cannabis is only perscribed in serious (generally terminal) cases.
I don't want to get into an arguement about using pot to treat mental health issues (or even the existence of certain "conditions"), but let it just be laid out there that I do not believe it to have a positive effect on unhealthy minds.
I have a very deep connection with marijuana on a physical, mental and spirtual level, I think it is a part of a healthy diet and prohibition needs to be repealed. However, I don't think we need to be dishonest with ourselves about the limitations of this plant. It is truly wonderful and a gift from god. It posseses wonderful theraputic properties. But, I wouldn't rely on it as my sole means of medicine if I were suffering from any sort of debilitating disease

I overreacted and for that I apologise, but I stand by my opinion.

You can try to sway me if you like, and I'll be happy to listen with an open mind, as long as you use punctuation.
 

SpruceZeus

Well-Known Member
but it should be treated the same as those patented drugs with regard to some conditions after all its a rather harmless substance if vaped or eaten and is effective.
You can't have it both ways.

If you wan't marijuana as a medicine, then you need to treat it like one.
It pains me to say it, but we must be honest with ourselves.
Raw plant material isn't medicine in our society. Medicine comes in little pill form and is purchased with a perscription from a pharmacy.

While personal philosophy of what medicine is may vary, it doesn't matter what I may think. It's what society as a whole accepts as truth.
 

la9

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You can't have it both ways.

If you wan't marijuana as a medicine, then you need to treat it like one.
It pains me to say it, but we must be honest with ourselves.
Raw plant material isn't medicine in our society. Medicine comes in little pill form and is purchased with a perscription from a pharmacy.

While personal philosophy of what medicine is may vary, it doesn't matter what I may think. It's what society as a whole accepts as truth.
Why can't we have it both ways ? Who says you can't ? Laws are being passed that way because to get things changed you have to start with a little and work on it till you get what you want. Once medical marijuana laws get passed then it isn't a far jump to get recreational laws get passed. If they want I'm sure they can extract what they need from the plant and put it in pill form, probably even make synthetic THC if they researched it enough.

You can have alcohol both ways can't you ?
 

Dr. Greenhorn

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hey, la9, there is thc in medicine form...called sativex......also synthetic thc is out allready.... called marinol, dronabinol, etc....it doesn't hold a match to the real stuff,....I'm talking about the synthetic thc
 

bicycle racer

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yes marinol is synthetic and ineffective comparatively to actual cannabis extracts which are easy enough to make its a matter of money and patents.
 
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