Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

[merahoon]

Oh very nice. Thanks for the info. Is there a thread that I can learn about how to set one of those up?

 

[doctorherb]

THANKS A BILLION , UNCLE BEN
Your contribution to the "community" is PRICELESS !!

 

[born2killspam]

There are more than a few CO2 threads, but alot of it is the blind leading the blind..

Google [yeast born2killspam site:rollitup.org]
I've popped into a few CO2 threads and stated my peace.. Its not rocket science at all.. Sugary solutions will ferment if you simply leave them sitting around, but if you want predictable output, and a potable finished drink then follow my guidelines..
I should start a CO2 thread really.. I have years and years of distilling under my belt, and the chemistry knowhow to outline other options still.. CO2 can be made in sooo many ways.. (But bottles/burners still can't be beat for control..)

 

[Uncle Ben]

There are more than a few CO2 threads, but alot of it is the blind leading the blind..

Exactly.

IMO, you're better off concentrating on what makes a plant tick than worrying about some off beat adjunct like injecting CO2 into the garden. Aint nothing like having fresh air - it's cheap, works wonders, and requires no effort or cost.

I have an archive for producing CO2 by fermentation published 10 years ago, but why bother?

UB

 

[merahoon]

It never hurts to add it. It's just another thing to learn, and I have no problem with that. You can only learn so much every day so why not learn about co2 as well during the downtime. Why don't you start a thread then? If you don't feel like it, thats totally understandable, lol.

 

[born2killspam]

I never closed concepted it.. I just put my ferments beside my grow with 600+cuft of air leaving the window each minute.. I might try a closed concept if I ever have the urge to drop a few grand on everything you need to actually contol that (like if I win the lottery, even though I don't play it), but that would be a very bad idea with yeast production..
And you won't actually see CO2 benefit unless you currently have more light than your plants can use at your ambient CO2 level anyway.. How much that is, I have no idea.. I've come across a ton of contradictory numbers.. I do know that the sun puts out more than the VAST majority of grow rooms (if not every single one), and plants grow really really well outdoors with an average 300ppm CO2..
Like I said, the anecdotal thing I noticed was the plants (matching clones) closest to carboys seemed to finish a tad quicker, and ethane is evolved in a fermentation, and it is a plant hormone associated with ripening..
What I meant by blind leading blind is that not many ppl on these forums apparently know how to brew.. Recipes for boost buckets I've come across are guaranteed to stall at partial completion, and would make prison hooch seem like whiskey thats old enough to buy its own whiskey if you were to drink it..
But I can honestly say that not even the worst sugar wash recipe could make you go blind..

 

[Uncle Ben]

CO2 injection is fine. The hassles and costs outweigh the benefits to me.

OK, I dug out my archive:

Caveat, for CO2 to be effective it must be contained within the garden. I'm also a long time brewer....so here goes:

Hello folks:

After seeing many posts regarding the economical production of CO2 production, thought I would add my my two sinse. The easiest, and cheapest means of producing relatively large quantities of CO2 is through fermentation IMO. Nothing new here, let's look at techniques, the needs of the yeast, and the mechanics of the grow area.

1. Yeast - Baker's yeast will indeed do the trick, but is susceptible to premature poisoning by one of the by products of fermentation, alcohol. Will normally quit around 10% alcohol. If you want to go longer on your CO2 production, use a wine yeast. Montrachet, Epernay, Lavlin brands are fine, available from wine/brewers catalogs. Montrachet is a widely available commercial yeast, and is capable of producing pretty hefty levels of alcohol. Some of the yeasts used to produce Sherrys or Port will produce up to 18% alcohol or more, producing plenty of CO2 in the end. Brewer's yeast will also be fine, but will not produce as much alcohol, however, it's an easy way to get into the hobby of making beer and having the CO2 as a sideline.

2. "Must" - a term given to the original juice. You need to provide nourishment and oxygen for the yeast to feed on regarding the initial reproduction phase, and then for the final breakdown of sugars into equal parts of alcohol and CO2. Rule of thumb: one pound of regular cane sugar with enough water to make up to one gallon of must equals approx. 6% alcohol. Bottom line, use 2 pounds of sugar per gallon of water (juice/must) for sustained alcohol and CO2 production. Be careful with the sugar, too much and you are in deep doo doo. If given too much sugar from the get-go, the little yeasties turn into lazy Sugar Babies rather than a bunch of vicious Drunken Warriors! Cool temperatures extends the fermentation processs, with 75F about right from start to finish.

2. Yeast nourishment - The yeast needs nourishment, vitamins, proteins, etc. Supply this using a FROZEN concentrate of grape juice, citrus, malt extract, etc. And yes, a vitamin pill rich in the B complex is almost essential for proper yeast nutrition. Brewers Yeast Energizer consisting of a B complex, amino acids, and minerals is better. DAP (di-ammonium phosphate) will provide N and P, and is sold by vendors as Yeast Nutrient. Add a couple of teaspoons of DAP to 5 gallons. The "must" needs to have a certain amount of acid, won't get into specifics, just add the juice of lemons or about 1 cup of reconstituted lemon juice for about 5 gallons of must.

3. Sanitation - sterilize all equipment the must (or wort) will come into contact with a weak solution of bleach, 1 Tblsp. per gallon. Contact time should be about 10 minutes, rinse *well*.

4. The alcohol/CO2 production can be greatly extended by feeding the sugar in several small doses (3 is fine), rather than all at once. With a quality "must", and feeding the sugar in doses, you can really get an incredible amount of CO2, at a very low cost.

5. Application to the grow area - really your call. If your grow is area is fairly confined, then just use a clean, open or closed container of say, 5 or 10 gallons, add your juice, yeast nutrients, water, and sugar. Don't cook the yeast with overly hot water, it will die off starting around 110 degrees F. If you wish to use hot water to ease in dissolving the sugar, fine, just don't add the yeast until the mix (must) drops to a temp. of around 80F or below. If you wish to direct the CO2 directly to the plants, use a carboy (5 gallon plastic drinking bottle) with proper fittings and a tube, or series of tubes, dropped down to the area of the plants. Pretty flaky IMO if your fans are doing the New York Shuffle!

6. When the fermentation enters what's called a secondary fermentation stage, slower bubbling, strong smell of alcohol, etc., it's time to think about dumping this brew (or feeding it your enemies).

This cannabis/brewing thing can be a wonderful synergesic relationship, and with some research and refinement, you can have the best of both worlds: a nice after dinner smoke with a chaser of home brewed Zinfandel or maybe a Nut Brown Ale!

Cheers!
Uncle Ben

Folks should spend their time understanding the concept of light saturation, the point where more becomes less. BTW, HID's over 250W will indeed offer more f.c. than the sun. All depends on the placement of the lamp in relation to the leaves. I also have a ditty on that.

Hells bells, might as well fetch that one too.


DISTANCE FROM LIGHT............F.C. READING

.......................250W HPS.............600W HPS

Within 6" (Way off 10K f.c. scale, for both lamps)

6".......................10,000...............10K+

8".......................7,100.................10K+

12"......................4,800................8,700

18"......................2,800................5,600

24"......................2,000................4,200

30"......................1,400................3,300

Frame of reference: sun = 9,000 - 10,000 f.c. average, clear summer day, high noon;
Cool White fluor measured 2" from bulb = 1,200 f.c.

Enjoy,
Uncle Ben

 

[HyDro Guy]

Great info. I can't wait to try this.

 

[born2killspam]

Only thing I'd dispute in that is that baker's yeast is good to about 14%.. Well, then again, baker's yeast ferments 'excellently' to 10%, then kind of falls victim to stress, so if you push baker's yeast too high flavor goes downhill a tad..
And I can't say whether the other gases evolved were more prominent early, late, or throughout.. He is right, CO2 goes way down near the end, but remember I anecdotally believe it was the ethylene's effect that I noticed..
The most consistent way you could do CO2 via yeast would be an array of 7 2L bottles, each stagger-started by a day, cycling once/week.. But again, if you're gonna bother with yeast, you should go to one of these sites, and learn how to produce another fine product in your grow room.. And 7 2L bottles would be quite inconvenient for a real fermentation..
http://homedistiller.org/forum/index.php
http://forum.northernbrewer.com/index.php

I have a nice nitty-gritty pdf on photosynthesis I & II, and their evolution that covers light saturation, and the damage it can cause.. (Plants can start processing O2 like CO2, which forms nasty peroxides etc for one thing).. Its both interesting reading, and enormously complex bio-chem.. One thing it explains simply is that photosynthesis doesn't flip on like a light, but rather builds up like a fire.. And it can hit a red-line level kind of like an engine..
Its 1.2MB pdf so the board won't attach it, but if anybody wants it, PM me with an email..

 

[Uncle Ben]

Great info. I can't wait to try this.

Let us know how it goes.

Only thing I'd dispute in that is that baker's yeast is good to about 14%.. Well, then again, baker's yeast ferments 'excellently' to 10%, then kind of falls victim to stress, so if you push baker's yeast too high flavor goes downhill a tad.

Only mentioned it because that's the first thing folks grab. I would never use Bakers yeast for fermenting anything.

And I can't say whether the other gases evolved were more prominent early, late, or throughout.

Always balls to the wall early on, then the must/wort enters a moderate phase and then a slow secondary stage until it poops out.

He is right, CO2 goes way down near the end, but remember I anecdotally believe it was the ethylene's effect that I noticed..
The most consistent way you could do CO2 via yeast would be an array of 7 2L bottles, each stagger-started by a day, cycling once/week.. But again, if you're gonna bother with yeast, you should go to one of these sites, and learn how to produce another fine product in your grow room.. And 7 2L bottles would be quite inconvenient for a real fermentation..
http://homedistiller.org/forum/index.php
http://forum.northernbrewer.com/index.php

I've ordered from Northern Brewer, good firm with great prices. BTW, I'm also a winemaker and have a small vineyard myself. Am getting ready to plant 15,000 vines for a neighbor!

I have a nice nitty-gritty pdf on photosynthesis I & II, and their evolution that covers light saturation, and the damage it can cause.. (Plants can start processing O2 like CO2, which forms nasty peroxides etc for one thing).. Its both interesting reading, and enormously complex bio-chem.. One thing it explains simply is that photosynthesis doesn't flip on like a light, but rather builds up like a fire.. And it can hit a red-line level kind of like an engine..
Its 1.2MB pdf so the board won't attach it, but if anybody wants it, PM me with an email..

Found it, it's still good in the LOR - http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page26.html

I'll post a ditty I did that you may remember, my Link-O-Rama. I'm sure alot of links are dead, but if anyone wants to pick up where I left off, edit and add to it, feel free.

Ben

 

[Uncle Ben]

LINK-O-RAMA

Word to the wise - buy a good grow book and check out some books from the library on plant culture, especially indoor growing. Grow some radishes, lettuce, and tomatoes before you jump into this hobby - you'll learn alot from that experience and will save yourself alot of grief. Alot of folks have never grown anything in their life (and that's OK), just don't set yourself up for failure. Best advice to ya - learn what makes a plant tick, and the rest will come easy.

I recommend the purchase of a book like Mel Frank's MJ Growers Insider's Guide or Jorge Cervantes . It is your shortcut to success, complete with graphs, photos, tables, and text regarding outdoor and indoor growing. There are alot of mailorder vendors that will ship discretely and can be trusted to respect your need for privacy. I can recommend FS Books for those in the USA.

Grow hard and well,
Uncle Ben

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This is a composite of what I consider some of the best cannabis and indoor plant
cultivation sites available on the web. If anyone has any revisions or additions to this little
ditty that you feel merit consideration, please let me know. Also, if there are any dead links
I would appreciate a heads-up on that too. Enjoy and grow hard - Uncle Ben
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GENERAL PLANT CULTURE

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]EFFECT OF LIGHT INTENSITY AND CO2 ON PHOTOSYNTHESIS[/SIZE][/FONT]
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page26.html

Factors affecting Respiration:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page28.html

Plant hormones and growth substances:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page30.html

How high temperatures can damage plants:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page40.html

Relationship between Photosynthesis, Respiration, and Light Intensity:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page54.html

Images of Cannabaceae :
http://bush.cs.tamu.edu/FLORA/imaxxcan.htm

Layering:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page89.html

Variances in cloning - you will need Acrobat Reader:
http://www.orst.edu/dept/hort/faculty/Proebsting/hort311/pdf_files/07_Clones1.pdf

Types of Layering:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page90.html

Factors affecting rate of Photosynthesis:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/2385/rate.htm

Topping explained and illustrated:
http://www.cannabinoid.com/wwwboard/growing/messages/37/37366.shtml

Everything you need to know about worm farming:
http://gnv.fdt.net/~windle/

NUTRIENT ISSUES:

A Systematic Approach to Diagnosing Plant Damage - excellent paper on nutrient imbalances, although formatting is a little hard to follow ~
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/hort/dpd/chemkey.htm

"Miracle" products - caveat emptor:
http://www.noble.org/ag/Soils/MiracleProducts/Index.htm

So you like "rocket fuels"? Download the PDF file and read the results of scientific studies stating that such products as humates and soil activators are worthless:
http://tcebookstore.org/pubinfo.cfm?pubid=934

Plant nutrition:
http://vengers.com/culture/fert.htm

So you like Miracle Grow?
http://mgonline.com/fertilize.html
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/AdeniumsofHawaii/miracle.html

Table 2 reference of the affect of fertilizers on pH and their elemental value:
http://www.ext.msstate.edu/pubs/is372.htm

DIY soil mixes...value of amendments explained:
http://users.anet.com/~manytimes/page41.htm

Organic soil mixes - excellent!
http://www.coastnet.com/~bcga/soil/potmix.html#standard

Explanation of the affects of hormones:
http://www.plant-hormones.info/

Plant nutrition explained by Dyna-Gro staff horticulturist-Essential vs Beneficial:
http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~jerry/orchids/nutri.html

Plant nutrition and The Law of Minimum
http://www.soils.wisc.edu/~barak/soilscience326/primary.htm

Essential elements, element mobility, and pH effect:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page74.html

Nutrients with similar deficiency symptoms:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page78.html

Humate products:
http://www.unifiedsystems.com/humicacids.htm

Damp-Off disease issues:
http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/DG1167.html

Another site that addresses Damping Off diseases - excellent!
http://users.anet.com/~manytimes/page48.htm

Organic Pest Control Vendor:
http://www.ghorganics.com/

Insect Pest Troubleshooting Link
http://ipmwww.ncsu.edu/INSECT_ID/AG136/ncstate.html

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Drug testing info. Check out the section "Adulterant and Other Studies"
http://drugtesting.freeservers.com/main.html

Everything you always to ask about Ozone generators but were afraid to ask:
http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html
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LINKS SPECIFIC TO WATER CULTURE

Maximum Yield magazine on hydroponic gardening:
http://www.maximumyield.com/docs/previous_issue.html

Aquaponics culture:
http://www.aquaponics.com/

Excellent online hydro forum and support group
http://www.hydroponicsonline.com/

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LINKS SPECIFIC TO LIGHTING ISSUES: spectrums, photomorphogenesis,
light intensity, regulatory affects, plant responses to MH vs HPS:

Properties of 250W & 400W metal halide lights; check out the Iwasaki 6500K lamp!
http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/aqfm/1999/dec/features/2/default.asp

Excellent review of many types of lamps' PAR values, efficiency, etc.
http://www.aquabotanic.com/lightcompare.htm

Indoor lighting - HID's, excellent fluor info:
http://www.vengers.com/faq/faq14sec41.htm#data

Effects of Various Radiant Sources on Plant Growth - affects of MH vs HPS on indoor plant growth: http://ss.jircas.affrc.go.jp/engpage/jarq/33-3/tazawa/tazawa1.htm

Spectral Power Distribution (SPD) graphs of lamps: http://www.squ1.com/index.php?http://www.squ1.com/lighting/lamps.html

Chat room discussion on the affects of colored light on seedlings and mature plants:
http://www.globalgarden.com/Tomato/Archives/vol.1/0396.html

White paper reflecting the value of colored reflecting surfaces:
http://library.northernlight.com/ZZ19980116010012151.html?cb=0&sc=0#doc

Photomorphogenesis, or the use of colored filters to regulate plant growth/flowering
responses: http://virtual.clemson.edu/groups/hort/sctop/photomor/Specfltr.htm

Use of colored row covers to regulate plant growth:
http://virtual.clemson.edu/groups/hort/sctop/photomor/Rwcvrs.htm

Footcandles, lumens, & PAR:
http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Tech/intensorama.html

Light absorption spectrum of leaf chlorophyll and carotenoids:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page24.html

Light quality from artificial sources:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page25.html

Effect of light intensity & CO2 on Photosynthesis:
http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/lectsupl/print/page26.html

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U.S. UNIVERSITY AG PROGRAMS & PLANT CULTURE INFO:

The following is a MUST-READ for the advanced MJ gardener:
MJ Optics - THC influence by UVB radiation
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Everything you wanted to know about soil preparation/culture but were afraid to ask:
http://www.cals.cornell.edu/dept/flori/growon/index.html

So you're a Micro-biologist? Well, here ya go....about a hundred or so excellent links to botany related websites:
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Plants parts that may be used in vegetative propagation /physiological and environmental factors affecting rooting. Excellent!
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Plant disease facts:
http://www.cas.psu.edu/docs/CASDEPT/PLANT/ext/fact.html

Online Biology Book:
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Ohio State Plant Facts:
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Conversion tables, formulas, and suggested guidelines for horticultural use:
http://www.ces.uga.edu/pubcd/B931.htm#Table 25

Texas Aggie Horticulture:
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tamuhort.html
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Can't forget our tummies! Cookin' with cannabis:
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VARIOUS CANNABIS WEBSITES -

Klozit King's cannabis culture guide:
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D.J. Short's Guide to Harvesting/Curing:
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http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc10/cure.html

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High Times Cannabis Culture by Kyle:
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BC Growers page -
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Amsterdam growers:
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UK

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Holland Hydroponics:
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Various Retailers:
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FRANCE:

Growing supplies: http://hydroid.free.fr/

 

[captain792000]

thanks for sharing this awesome tecnique UB.....+rep....

 

[merahoon]

Wow... thank you very very much for all those links. Saves us all hours of research time!

 

[born2killspam]

"Start a general garden" might be the best advice ever given in this hobby.. I know I'm glad my parents worked my ass off in our garden every year.. I wasn't at the time though..
I had no idea you were that far into alcohol production though.. Sadly I've never planted a single grape.. I like a good wine, but I love my Demerara rum.. Rum is funny in the sense that baker's yeast oddly ferments it best.. Not so much if you're using any refined sugar, but if you shell out the stupid money for Demerara sugar, or pure cane molasses and know how to ferment, then my god! Baker's yeast (Flieshman's) gives it a body that is unmatched..
I always have a decent yeast selection on hand though incase I do some beer, or a sour mash etc..
Beauty links though.. I must have seen that on overgrow.. Seeing as some of those links are dead, I'm compelled to dig up an ancient PC I was using at the time because I have GB's of archived web-links on it.. Maybe, just maybe I hoarded those.. If you thought they were worth saving then I might have to.. I saved most pages I read in those days.. I mean I had a 6GB hdd, I had all the room in the world to save web pages..

 

[GrowingGreenGiant]

flowering can be altered by human intervention. for example if you grow indoors you can grow your plant for as long as you want until you change the nutes to less nitro and change the light cycle to 12 - 12. respectively the plant may not actually veg for a year but you can veg it way longer than its norm.

 

[born2killspam]

true/not true to a point.. Make a thread out;outlining your details...

 

[regionaldragon]

What if you have alternating nodes instead of pairs of nodes, where do you top?

 

[Uncle Ben]

Ya'll are welcome. Like I said, the LOR needs updating. It's been years.

"Start a general garden" might be the best advice ever given in this hobby.. I know I'm glad my parents worked my ass off in our garden every year.. I wasn't at the time though..

Funny how the old man really did know what he was doing, eh?

I had no idea you were that far into alcohol production though..

I'm not. I haven't brewed beer in at least 8 years and probably won't again. I now have a chance to make some high quality wine out of high quality vinifera wine grapes from what I'm growing and vineyards in my area.

Sadly I've never planted a single grape.. I like a good wine, but I love my Demerara rum..

Well, we're getting off topic, but if you want a really smooth, almost sweet rum that has a hint of vanilla, try Matsulem, it's Cuban. It isn't flavored, it's just a rich, well made rum. http://www.matusalem.com/

Beauty links though.. I must have seen that on overgrow..

You did. I had a pinned stickie with over 100,000 views.

Seeing as some of those links are dead, I'm compelled to dig up an ancient PC I was using at the time because I have GB's of archived web-links on it.. Maybe, just maybe I hoarded those.. If you thought they were worth saving then I might have to.. I saved most pages I read in those days.. I mean I had a 6GB hdd, I had all the room in the world to save web pages..

That'll work, go for it!

What if you have alternating nodes instead of pairs of nodes, where do you top?

You can't. Nodes must be opposing for the double output thingie. If your nodes are alternating, you won't get the effect as the top node (leafset) will be at a point on the plant that has the greatest collection of auxins, the newest, highest tissue. Auxins control a plant's growing dynamics. When you pinch out the tip of a plant that is in a veg stage (has opposing nodes/leafsets) then basically the plant splits the auxins and sends them to the 2 dormant buds located at the axis of where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk". Viola, you get simultaneous output, two new leafsets as shown on page one of this thread.

Good luck,
UB

 

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Hey UB,
Just thought I should stop by and post my first experience with topping after reading your thread. This is my first indoor grow and even though you explained topping well, I didn't completely understand EXACTLY how its done so I just went ahead and tried out different things like you suggested.

I cut my plants at various nodes to see how the plant responded. Keep in mind, all of my plants had 5-6 nodes and some with the 7th barely forming. I have one bagseed that I FIM'ed at the incoming 4th node and topped at the sixth node after the new growth. And now, I have between 6+ tops on that plant. All of my Sativas I topped above the second node. I cut above the second node once on one of my indicas but it hurt me to see how much I was cutting off. After that, I cut above the third node (my fav) which seems to have given me 6 new tops? Then I cute above the fourth node and it gave me two new tops plus making the plant more bushy. All the cuts seem to be beneficial but I would have to say I like cutting above the third node the best. We see what the end results turn out like. Hopefully the ones I cute are females...

The rest of my plants I experimented with different FIM cuts to see if I could pin point where the cut is supposed to be. A lot of weird but good things happened with the FIM which I'm not going to mention cause this is a topping thread. Anyhow, here are some pics.

PS. I tried cutting at different parts on the stem inbetween nodes to see if it affects the response. I couldn't quite notice anything but I don't think I epxerimented with enough plants. Do you think it makes a difference? I also noticed the stems creating knots at the new main branches... what is that?

I had this "swollen node" character at the petiole bases in my batch of bagseed indicas -- just on the females. The males didn't produce this. I'm interested in hearing how your sex ratio pans out versus this character. I also had two bubblelicious in the same grow that went male, and also didn't show this character. No one seems to have much comment on this yet; it's something I'll be watching through successive grows to see if it pans out as a sex-determinant character.

 

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+rep for sensibly thinking outside the box on the gender differentiation thing..